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The new MacBook will impact on iPad (tablet) sales: nearly as light as a tablet, but with full OS X, a keyboard, and a trackpad.

A MacBook will replace my iPad for sure.
 
That's practically what the new MacBook is. Because really all you're saying is that you want the lightest, most portable version of OSX possible. I could see the next year MacBook getting a touch screen specifically so it could toggle into iOS mode, and then you have it. Apple's answer (albeit very late) to the Surface Pro.

But the thing is, that results in a crappy tablet for those (few?) people who actually want a tablet purely for the tablet functions. No matter how thin and light it is with a fancy new keyboard, it could still be moreso without. So either the true tablet market isn't worth serving at all, or it needs a true tablet. A hybrid would always serve that market poorly.
I know you qualified it with "practically" but the new Macbook is not in any way shape or form a Surface Pro 3 alternative. Adding a touchscreen to the new Macbook wouldn't make it any closer to it. They are both excellent but different devices.



if they release the rumored ipad pro and add true multi tasking (several windows running at the same time) and a keyboard cover, then it could replace the computer. This is what Microsoft is betting on.

What apple did with the ipad air I think complicates things however. Because to release a 12" ipad would directly compete with the 12" air. There are already plenty of keyboard covers out there so the only two differences would be the touchscreen and the multitasking.

I can't even guess what Apple has in mind, but I do hope that they resolve this soon as this is a problem IMO (the lack of clarity in terms of how these devices could live side by side).
I agree with you that the release of the new Macbook paints an unclear picture... at least at this point in time.

Perhaps Apple's approach will be to provide 2 parallel devices that fall slightly to either side of the dividing line. While Microsoft attempts to sit precisely on the line between notebook and tablet with the Surface Pro 3, maybe Apple will produce the new Macbook to sit ever-so-slightly onto the notebook side of the line, and an iPad Pro/Plus to be on the tablet side...expecting that customers will favor one side over the other with very few requiring a precise split.

Over the past week I've been spending some extended time with my new toy... an Acer Aspire Switch 11. 11.6" tablet, Core i3, 4GB RAM, 128GB storage, fullsized USB 3.0 in the tablet, microHDMI, microSD, charging port, fullsized USB 2.0 in the keyboard dock, and active digitizer... $449. I was curious about the Surface Pro 3 but not $950 worth of curious, so this was a good alternative.

I've been very impressed so far with the experience. It is heavier than my 2014 11" MBA and my iPad 4. But the ability to easily and quickly switch from notebook to tablet mode is what I was hoping for. Windows 8.1 is still rough-around-the-edges in this regard but if Windows 10 cleans things up a bit, it will be quite a nice thing.

It's magnetically secured mechanical hinge eliminates the need for a kickstand. My active stylus should arrive tomorrow so I'll spend some time with that aspect.

My preference is still for a 12" iPad Pro/Plus that supports an active digitizer, bluetooth mouse, multi-window. I don't think that I'm alone it that preference and I think it might be the thing that sparks a renewed interest in the iPad.
 
I don't think they ever said its to replace the computer. It compliments it and until I bought the iPhone 6 I used my iPad 3 as well as my Mac regularly. iPad for web browsing and Mac for work. Now though, my iPad is so slow compared to the iPhone 6 I only use the iPad for iBooks so can't justify upgrading.

That's the way it will stay. I'll upgrade my Mac and Phone as they're the most important to me and do what I need until the iPad can do something better.

Even during the original iPad keynote, Steve Jobs demonstrated it while sitting on a couch. That was the original intended use case-- you're just sitting on your couch, casually reading or watching videos. It was never intended to "replace" a computer, though for a number of people it has.

A few years later it turned into a content production machine, and many people use it as such, but as for me it's still my couch device.

At work, I only use my macbook pro; once I get home I only use my iPad.
 
For me iOS was too limited, so I ditched my iPad3 and bought a 13" rMBP. It's a bit heavier and a LOT more useful.

I know lots of people find their iPads to be productive tools. It just didn't work for me.

The fact that I can get much more done on a full laptop vs an iPad is largely why I went with the MBPr 13" as well. Mind you, I very strongly considered the Surface Pro 3.

Weight:
Surface Pro 3 = 1.75 pounds (without keyboard)
iPad Air 2 = 1 pound (without keyboard)

Battery Life:
Surface Pro 3 = 9 hours
iPad Air 2 = 10 hours

Versatility:
Surface Pro 3 > iPad Air for most productivity uses

I know the difference of 1 pound doesn't sound like a lot, but I suspect I would appreciate the lighter iPad if I could have it. Check back with me in 4 years and we'll see if I've gone back to Microsoft, because I have little expectation of Apple ever producing something like the Surface Pro.
 
I am a staunch Windows 7 user (my desktop and my laptop), however I am also a staunch IOS user (my iPhone 5S and iPad2). I will admit that as Windows based laptops with detachable screens improve and depending on where Windows 10 goes (I do not like Windows 8), I would consider ditching my iPad since having a separate tablet and laptop is a bit of a hassle for me. I don't see ditching my iPhone for Android anytime soon.
 
This is directly related to people keeping their ipads longer. Tons of people are still using the ipad 2 with no desire to upgrade.

No desire to upgrade.. or not need to.

My iPad 2 is alive and well; while it's slow compared to other models, its battery doesn't hold a charge for as long as it used to, and the case is getting a little hard to look at, it runs everything I need it to and does it well enough (caveat: I've intentionally not upgraded it to iOS 8.x in order to keep it functional).

It's so good and long-lasting that I suspect it's hurting Apple's sales; this 4 year-old purchase has proven to be one of the best gadgets I've ever bought.
 
With phablet sized smartphones like the iPhone 6plus canabalizing iPad sales, and the surface pro eating the iPad for lunch, Apple needs to really make the leap to an iPad that can run OS X and iOS. They need to address the need for iPads to be more productive for creative types. The iPhone 6 is a huge success, but people that buy the iPhone 6 plus in particular are choosing not to buy new iPads. I think an iPad that can run OS X and iOS will re energize iPad sales. Creative types would buy them up. Of course these new iPads would then canabalize the MacBook market...but I think Apple needs to address this growing trend that the surface pro is filling. Eventually they will have to. Just like they had to eventually make larger iPhones after saying they wouldn't for years.

I had an iPad 1, then got the mini (I tend to be an early adopter). I only upgraded the mini because I wanted the retina display and touch ID. I don't see myself getting or upgrading for a few years.
 
OMG.

What you mean the product Apple had not changed in hardly any way, software of hardware wise since the iPad1 is not selling as many?

Really?

Well, knock me down with a feather.

Hey Apple is you actually change something about it, in any fundamental way, other than shave it's thickness a little more, or tweak the icons a tiny bit, I may actually upgrade!

Amazes me Apple. Either they are:

1: So Arrogant that they think they made it perfect on day one.
2: Have absolutely no fresh ideas whatsoever.
3: Don't give a crap.

Perhaps let someone other than Jony I'veNoIdea have a bash.
All he can do, is go, ohhh, ahhh, I'm amazing, look, another 0.22mm off the thickness, and the best screen ever, and change the icon shadows a bit!
 
If I didn't have unlimited data on my iPad I wouldn't have one. I only use it to stream movies and shows when Im commuting. Between my rmbp and 6 plus i never pickup my iPad unless I'm commuting.
 
So IDC says that 67% of the tablet sold/shipped is based on Android. In my experience, I have hardly seen anyone using Android based tablet.
 
95%+ of what I do on my iPad now is surf the web. A newer, faster iPad won't really change that usage model unless they gimp the software along with it. In that case, I'll look for a cheaper tablet from another manufacturer.
 
So IDC says that 67% of the tablet sold/shipped is based on Android. In my experience, I have hardly seen anyone using Android based tablet.

What country or city are you living in?

My understanding is that Android tablets are often used as mini-TVs in poorer parts of the world. Many are never used as tablets. They just get the TV or Movie viewing App loaded and that is it.

In New York City, where I live, I'd say 10% of the tablets that I see on the train are Android. Then 10% or so are kindles. And the rest are iPads.
 
My favorite device is the iPad Air 2. With the 2GB I can finally use it as my primary device. That's 99.5% of the time. The remaining 0.5% I need my MacBook Pro to do some real work.

But that's the problem with the iPad many people turn it from consumption device into production because that's what they want the iPad to be. How apple doesn't see this I don't understand. Why do you think the Microsoft surface pro 2/3 are selling extremely well? Not as well as ipads still millions want to use it as just a web browser. But i hope apple will introduce a dual mode tablet just like the surface. It will become my only device if this is a reality.

I will wait and see how the sp4 is and if it's better than the sp3 I'm gonna dump the iPad and go with sp4. Windows 10 is gonna be awesome.
 
So IDC says that 67% of the tablet sold/shipped is based on Android. In my experience, I have hardly seen anyone using Android based tablet.

Do you think it's possible that these people are using them in their homes and not in front of you? That's just crazy, right?
 
I have a 1st gen iPad and found that the 7" size is much better for me. At the time Apple hadn't launched the iPad Mini yet so I went with the first gen Nexus 7. After I cracked the screen on my 2012 Nexus 7, the iPad Mini was still $100+ more expensive than the 2013 Nexus 7 and I saw no compelling reason to spend more for the Apple product.

While the iPad may have invented the product segment, the problem with the iPad seems to be some combination of price and a lack of new good ideas to improve the product and get people to want to replace their existing tablet.

While I'm sure it keeps the margins up, continuing to sell the older iPad models alongside the newer models doesn't do much to motivate people to upgrade to the newest models. It also makes shopping for an iPad rather confusing when trying to decide between the iPad Air and the iPad Air 2 or one of the three different Mini models... and that's before you have to choose between Wifi or Wifi + Cellular and then the memory and finish... that's a lot of SKU's.
 
Unlike PCs which you need to upgrade if you want to run the latest and greatest apps without it feeling slow

What a load of crap.

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This is directly related to people keeping their ipads longer. Tons of people are still using the ipad 2 with no desire to upgrade.

Yep. Does that mean that people could be keeping their Android tablets for longer too. Or is that privilege reserved for Apple fans?
 
Apple usually nails it on the head, as far as what users want. But i'm starting to wonder if people are feeling as though iOS is too limited?? I personally don't thing so, but I also don't feel like an iPad replaces my computer.


The iPad's primary use is web consumption and playing trivial games.

People are now wanting a tablet for work productivity.
Microsoft and other have answered.
Apple has not.
 
Everyone who wants an iPad has one, and as they are getting more powerful, there is less of a need to upgrade them. And anyone who doesn't want to spend $500 on an iPad, already has a Kindle or Android tablet, so they aren't in the Apple market. I had the original iPad and the original iPad mini.

I probably won't buy another tablet until Apple comes out with a 15" retina tablet device which I can use iOS when I want to (when holding it) then when I drop it on a kickstand, with my BT mouse/keyboard, I can run full Mac OS.

That's the only thing that excites me. Or, take the new MacBook. IF that screen could swivel and turn into an iPad with touch when I want it, and a computer when I need it, I'm all in there.

Absoluetly not.
I don’t have an iPad. I have neither Kindle nor Android tablet either but I do want a tablet.
The day Apple make a way for me to use the iPad as a remote terminal for my Mac, (Natively), is the day I buy one. The money is here waiting.
 
This is directly related to people keeping their ipads longer. Tons of people are still using the ipad 2 with no desire to upgrade.

Yes, some are keeping their ipads or other brand tablets longer. But that's because there is little additional value in the newer products.

Same as happened with netbooks, which not coincidentally is the product category that tablets replaced.

So IDC says that 67% of the tablet sold/shipped is based on Android. In my experience, I have hardly seen anyone using Android based tablet.

Dunno where you are but Android tablets are everywhere - everyone and their grandmother has them. People use them as remote controls, as home music terminals, as kitchen digital cookbooks, you name it.

You can get a 7" tablet with surprisingly respectable performance (given the inherent limitaitons of the tablet form factor) for 100-200 bucks. Like I said above this the netbook market all over again, except at even lower price points.
 
They were wrong about it replacing a computer. It doesn't. And it won't if it runs ios.

This does not satisfy everybody's situation. I have several friends that switched from a laptop to an iPad and are just as happy and productive. I would say happier because of the diverse array of apps available.

The problem is that Apple made the iPad _too_ good and they last. The iPhone gets upgraded with new features because of its much more mobile existence, but the iPad is quite often as stationary as a computer (ie. stays in the home).
 
Yep. Does that mean that people could be keeping their Android tablets for longer too. Or is that privilege reserved for Apple fans?

Well it's possible that price point plays into that too, right?

If you have an older $249 tablet - might be worth it to spend the same for an updated version. Start bringing that number to $399 and it's less enticing if things are working pretty ok.
 
If that's the secret sauce for profitability why isn't every company doing it?

I was gonna say the same thing.

When there are over 60 companies selling smartphones and tablets... but only a handful actually make money... there's something seriously wrong with that.

Selling products at or below cost is a horrible way to conduct "business"

There's no way that can be sustainable in the long-term.
 
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