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iPad Set for 'Free Run' Through Holiday Tablet Shopping Season

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All I'm talking about is how the media reports these numbers. You keep trying to turn it into an Apple-is-bad too story, but it's a media-is-bad story
 
NebulaClash said:
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All I'm talking about is how the media reports these numbers. You keep trying to turn it into an Apple-is-bad too story, but it's a media-is-bad story
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No. I'm leveling the field. You actually were "exonerating" Apple while making it look like the competition was doing something underhanded.

Apple isn't bad any more/any less than others who report their figures the same way.

But I agree - the media's interpretation should be more accurate - and they should know better.
 
...Android is expected to see stronger growth heading into next year as Google pushes out its next-generation "Ice Cream Sandwich" release of Android and works to address fragmentation throughout the Android ecosystem...
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what's this nonsense? Ice Cream Sandwiches wont save them. A marketing plan will. Google should be marketing and advertising it's own OS just like Microsoft & Apple ... don't just leave it to carriers and device makers.


Try talking to the lady at the bus stop about dual-core Tegras or Ice Cream sandwiches, or dual-core eClairs, yada, yada... and they'll think you are some drugged out wacko.

Tell her that she can see what time her bus will arrive at and you'll sell more product.

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Projections...

Based on assumptions? 2015? Too far ahead to even attempt to predict, unless you are looking into a crystal ball or tossing chicken bones on a table.
 
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samcraig said:
NebulaClash said:
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All I'm talking about is how the media reports these numbers. You keep trying to turn it into an Apple-is-bad too story, but it's a media-is-bad story
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No. I'm leveling the field. You actually were "exonerating" Apple while making it look like the competition was doing something underhanded.

Apple isn't bad any more/any less than others who report their figures the same way.

But I agree - the media's interpretation should be more accurate - and they should know better.
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And since my point was about the media, I have no idea why you wanted to turn the spotlight on Apple instead.
 
Gartner isn't paying attention. They might as well slash their Android estimates even further because the Amazon tablet is not an "Android" tablet. Amazon is not planning on using Google's services. They are only grabbing the underlying Android kernel and creating their own operating system, their own services to replace Google's, and their own app store, etc. They can't even legally call it an Android tablet.

Amazon's tablet is going to be Android's biggest competitor. They will be fighting each other for scraps left after the iPad.
 
Playbook numbers look a bit off?

If I'm reading that chart right, Gartner are predicting that RIM will sell 3 million or so Playbooks to end users by the end of the year?

From what I have read elsewhere they shipped (not sold) 500K of 'em in Q1 and 200K of 'em in Q2, seems a bit hopeful that they will ship an average of 1.15 million of them and sell all of them through to end users in the last half of the year, no?

As for the debate on shipped vs sold, the figures are helpful to get an idea of real sales to customers for all manufacturers, not just Apple.

Once the initial sales channels are filled with stock (normally in the first quarter of a product lifecycle), subsequent shipments will give a pretty good idea of the sales through the channels, allowing for supplying into new markets etc...

The most important thing to look at is the trajectory of the shipment numbers. With Playbook RIM came out of the gate strong with 500K shipped in Q1, but the next month (even whilst rolling out to a number of additional areas) that quantity dropped by 60% to 200K. In comparison, iPad shipments have grown slowly and steadily (albeit from a much higher starting volume), due to selling through to end users pretty much as fast as they are shipped.
 
NebulaClash said:
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And since my point was about the media, I have no idea why you wanted to turn the spotlight on Apple instead.
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Since you obviously forget what you wrote and want to make this about me twisting words - let me refresh your memory...

"Not to mention the slippery numbers from Android tablet suppliers. Report the shipping numbers and hope lazy reporters trumpet those as sales numbers."

You are definitely trying to intimate that Android suppliers are trying to do something underhanded that Apple isn't. You're also suggesting here that they are hoping that it goes unnoticed by "lazy" reporters. Are you seriously trying to tell me you weren't slighting the competition? And that your focus was on the MEDIA?

No. I'm calling you out on that because you weren't calling out the media with that statement - you were finger pointing at Android Suppliers.

Good luck backpeddling on that.
 
Is this surprising to anyone? I hope not.

There simply isn't a credible competitor to the iPad right now. Kindle and Nook, while very good products, are in a totally different market segment. HP, in the middle of a leadership shaekup, isn't going to magically ressurect WebOS. RIM is fading fast, and will be lucky to stay profitable in its core business and certainly isn't going to have the resoruces to take a second swing at the Tablet market.

Google is looking at a world of hurt. It is looking at potentially crippling costs as a result of the Oracle lawsuit. It just publicly admitted it gets two thirds of its mobile search revenue from iOS devices. It hasn't built a credible tablet-app eco-system - and it probably never will. Android might be activating a lot of devices - but those devices aren't being used to generate much search revenue.

So now the rabid Applehaters are pinning their dreams on Microsoft and Windows 8 - which is at least a year away from shipping. But the Windows dream has one fatal flaw: Operating systems don't drive device sales. Its the other way around. (Most OS sales come as part of an OEM install.) Microsoft is hoping the inevitable hundreds of millions of PC sales will create a "coattail" effect that will lead to it re-emerging as a pre-eminent tablet OS purveyor. Maybe, but I just don't see how that is supposed to work.

Gartner's projections are almost certainly wrong when it comes to the numbers - but they are right when they say Apple is going to have very little credible iPad competition for at least the next year.
 
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A $250 7 inch Amazon-sourced Android tablet is going to be here soon, and it will make some actual waves.

I know that this forum and community tends to think anything not sold by Apple is inferior, but they turned the Kindle into something really great. They have sold millions of the things, and you might be surprised to find out how many people you know own and use a Kindle. It isn't something everyone feels compelled to talk about. Kindle owners typically don't wander around with the Kindle out, hoping people will see it and ask them how they got to be so cool. It tends to sit by the toilet or on the bedside table, quietly waiting to be used for 30-60 minutes every day. This new Android-based tablet Kindle thing is going to be the first real competitor to the iPad. It won't even really be competing with the eInk Kindle, because it won't do any of the things the eInk Kindle does so well. Since you can buy one of each for the cost of the cheapest iPad, that's a pretty good argument in Amazon's favor.
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What on Earth are you talking about? I see Kindles *everywhere*. Kindle owners love their device and generally do bring it with them, which is the whole point of reading books on a slim electronic device that fits in a bag.

And they absolutely were the "cool" accessory a couple of years ago.
 
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samcraig said:
NebulaClash said:
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And since my point was about the media, I have no idea why you wanted to turn the spotlight on Apple instead.
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Since you obviously forget what you wrote and want to make this about me twisting words - let me refresh your memory...

"Not to mention the slippery numbers from Android tablet suppliers. Report the shipping numbers and hope lazy reporters trumpet those as sales numbers."

You are definitely trying to intimate that Android suppliers are trying to do something underhanded that Apple isn't. You're also suggesting here that they are hoping that it goes unnoticed by "lazy" reporters. Are you seriously trying to tell me you weren't slighting the competition? And that your focus was on the MEDIA?

No. I'm calling you out on that because you weren't calling out the media with that statement - you were finger pointing at Android Suppliers.

Good luck backpeddling on that.
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Yes, I came back here to admit you were right, but I see you have done that already. You are right, my original post slams the other tablet makers not just the lazy media.
 
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Yes, I came back here to admit you were right, but I see you have done that already. You are right, my original post slams the other tablet makers not just the lazy media.
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I totally respect your ability to admit that...(not that you would/should care)
Have a great day.
 
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samcraig said:
NebulaClash said:
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Yes, I came back here to admit you were right, but I see you have done that already. You are right, my original post slams the other tablet makers not just the lazy media.
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I totally respect your ability to admit that...(not that you would/should care)
Have a great day.
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You too, sorry I forgot to check what I originally wrote and relied on faulty memory instead.
 
vrDrew said:
There simply isn't a credible competitor to the iPad right now.
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Really outstanding post (see full post above).

The thing with the tablet market - even more so than the smart phone sector - is Apple's brand association with the general technology.

Tablet == iPad

At least in the most of the consumer, and even some professional markets. They [re]invented the segment and as such, pretty much own it for now (not unlike the PMP).
 
vrDrew said:
Is this surprising to anyone? I hope not.

There simply isn't a credible competitor to the iPad right now. Kindle and Nook, while very good products, are in a totally different market segment. HP, in the middle of a leadership shaekup, isn't going to magically ressurect WebOS. RIM is fading fast, and will be lucky to stay profitable in its core business and certainly isn't going to have the resoruces to take a second swing at the Tablet market.

Google is looking at a world of hurt. It is looking at potentially crippling costs as a result of the Oracle lawsuit. It just publicly admitted it gets two thirds of its mobile search revenue from iOS devices. It hasn't built a credible tablet-app eco-system - and it probably never will. Android might be activating a lot of devices - but those devices aren't being used to generate much search revenue.

So now the rabid Applehaters are pinning their dreams on Microsoft and Windows 8 - which is at least a year away from shipping. But the Windows dream has one fatal flaw: Operating systems don't drive device sales. Its the other way around. (Most OS sales come as part of an OEM install.) Microsoft is hoping the inevitable hundreds of millions of PC sales will create a "coattail" effect that will lead to it re-emerging as a pre-eminent tablet OS purveyor. Maybe, but I just don't see how that is supposed to work.

Gartner's projections are almost certainly wrong when it comes to the numbers - but they are right when they say Apple is going to have very little credible iPad competition for at least the next year.
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Reality, served up in a simple post. +1
 
Too bad about WebOS. It's an excellent OS.

I bought a few of those HP Touchpads @ $99 and let me tell you, it's awesome. It's superior to iOS4 in many ways. Though, iOS5 will address much of iOS4's shortcomings which will put it mostly on par with WebOS 3.

Though, I still have every intention of getting an iPad 3.
 
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I'm sorry, but I feel apple has shot them selves in the foot. With the iPhone release being so late I can see this eating into iPad sales.
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As best I can tell the 'delayed' iP5 hasn't slowed down the sales of iPhones, much less iPads.
 
I think Apple is still selling every iPad is can make. The device is still not available for sale in some countries. So I'm not sure how anything could be cutting into its sales. The U.S. may have plenty of iPads available, but that seems to be more of the result of good delivery infrastructure than any lack of demand. I guess we don't know if the factories are going full steam back in China or if they are slowing down their production.
 
Gartner is brilliant. They have found a way to get people to pay them for throwing darts at a board. Simply brilliant. I project that Gartner will continue to dominate the market for selling utter fiction as research and analysis to the tech market through 2015.

Seriously, there are way too many variables to project any of this. If you look at the projections for iPad sales just before and just after Apple announced versus the actual sales you will see that Apple crushed the numbers that were put forth.

Now these analysts are making projections about more yet-to-be-announced tablets and we are suppose to think there is any chance they will be close to correct? Please. I'd bet QNX is dead along with RIM by 2015 -- not steadily increasing. According to Gartner's numbers, everybody improves and everybody is a winner. Some of these players are going to die off. The best bets in the tablet market (assuming its not just an "iPad market" as it has so far proven to be) are obviously Apple and then Google and Microsoft. Microsoft has more potential than Google, but Google at least has actual selling product out there today. I am also hoping for the return of WebOS under HP's new CEO.
 
The iPad is pretty tough competition. The pricing, innovation, and ease of use make it very hard to compete. Sure amazon can easily enter the market and do well, focusing on an upgrading kindle and focusing on a different part of the market. But apple has captured the majority of the market, and until someone can make something unique and desirable it will be a while longer till anyone catches up.

Windows 8 will be tablet driven, a fully automated OS can beat out a limited iOS, but that is also if it is implemented well.
 
can somehow show me the magic formula that boosts android 5 fold from 2012 to 2015? I just might sell it to Google and share the profits.
 
tigres said:
Well, let's not count Amazon out quite yet.;)
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If the leaked details of the Amazon tablet are true... it's going to be an epic fail. It's essentially their version of the Nook Color only with Amazon content, and not integrated well. Also, only Amazon app store, no Android Market. Though it was said to be matching the Nook in price, but a crippled tablet is still a crippled tablet.

Oh, and it's an Amazon version of Android. Totally just a GUI built on the android shell, so it's even a further departure.

If I can find the link the the article, I'll edit and post it. I'm praying it's untrue!!


NebulaClash said:
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Not to mention the slippery numbers from Android tablet suppliers. Report the shipping numbers and hope lazy reporters trumpet those as sales numbers.

Just don't look at the store shelves...
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Amen. Not even just slippery, but trickery. There were massive fire sales of Android tablets in the beginning of the year that inflated sales numbers.

Mostly the first round (Original 7" Galaxy tabs for $99 anyone?) of tablets that ran 2.1/2.2 with bad specs and small screens.

There was an article on CNET I loathed (due the the flaming Android fan boys boasts) about how Android had leapt forward and took a 34% cut of Tablet sales for Q2, but failed to mention it was in part to fire sales.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Apple can maintain this lead forever. Just law of averages. Google just hasn't done a great job nor it's partners in marketing Android tablets, nor have developers done much in the way of creating decent tablet apps. Once they get the apps and a better marketing message, i think Android tablets will leap ahead a bit. Especially with Ice Cream Sandwich unifying things to one OS ala IOS.

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koruki said:
can somehow show me the magic formula that boosts android 5 fold from 2012 to 2015? I just might sell it to Google and share the profits.
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It's not magic. It's math. You look at year 1 in tablet sales, year 2, year 3, and you figure out the growth rate.

Then you account for variables that aren't cut and dry... like a tablet driven OS that wasn't in years 1-2. Then you look at the fact that there are over 50 manufacturers either selling or prepping Android tablets, and how much more retail space that covers.

Some of it is an educated guess, but without getting into really complex formulas and statistics, those numbers probably aren't too out of whack.

Take Android phones for instance. When they had so many companies partners and sign on to use Android, it was a given it would over take Apple in time. Apple has 1 model of phone and 1 model of tablet. Your only options are storage and 3G for tablets. Android devices offer a consumer more choice in price and features.

It would be like saying the best vanilla ice cream in the world will always be the top selling ice cream. It might, but if that company only makes that 1 flavor, they won't always be the top selling ice cream company. That's pretty much where apple is at. The ipad and the iphone might very well be ranked #1 for a specific device, but they won't be able to hold that title for platform. And that's okay.
 
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