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I wonder who is footing the bill for this little brain pygmy to use his iPhone? This is our future folks. A 14 year old buying premium hardware and then bitching about it to everyone in the world. At least back in the day when there was no internet it was just the parents themselves that were punished by their own spoiled little creations.

Do us all a favor and go bitch at your parents. We really don't want to hear it. But, then again. I suppose it is easier for them to shower you with money and give you the capability annoy other people than have to put up with you. Did they by chance raise you by setting you in front of a DVD player and computer to shut you up?

Wow, could you be any more condescending and egotistical. I guess you know it all, eh?

A 14-year-old kid who loves Apple, but dares look at its product with a "pluses" and "minuses" columns is in the same league as a non-Apple-using adult who does the same. In other words, to you: Totally useless

You got some god complex issues to work out there. I guess we should all just wear blinders and stay the course, like you. I'd rather take a step back and look at the big picture before deciding w/ my wallet than accept what you're told and criticize others who dare ask "why". I'd tell you I feel sorry for you, but I really don't. Not my money, not my life....... thank god. :)

I say this in absolutely no hostility, but be frank and put you in your place, because I think with your judgement, you could use it and the world would be better off if you knew it and changed accordingly.

Sincerely,

[me]
 
Okay... yes, it runs great with 256MB of RAM. I've used an iPad, and I think it works beautifully.

But the fact that it works well now with 256MB isn't the point. Remember, this is a $500+ computing device from mid-2010, so why does it have the same amount of RAM as the mid-2009 3GS, and less ram than most middle-end smart phones from this year? Many of us expect the iPad to receive some sort of 3rd-party multitasking ability and other nifty features. True multitasking and other OS add-ons take RAM, and this applies to any mobile OS. How much would it have cost apple to add another 256MB, when 512MB would have allowed better implementations of multitasking or other features?

I don't think its unreasonable to expect Apple to maintain parity spec-wise with what their competition is doing. Arguing that the iPhone OS is efficient and therefore doesn't need more memory doesn't make low specs acceptable.

Well said. I am not up in arms about the 256MB RAM limit as I also have an iPad and it runs beautifully. And so does my PS3 with 256MB. But to add another 256MB of RAM (a reasonable upgrade considering the speed increase on the CPU side) would have cost apple cents and been perfectly reasonable. Especially when they are spending so much on the fancy glass or digitizer or aluminum unibody construction. I mean come on. 256MB. In 2010.

But Apple isn't reasonable. :) The company seems to operate on the premise that everyone will upgrade their Apple products every few years. And we all blindly do so. Still, I enjoy the journey.

In the end though, the real point of all this from a user experience is simple - does the device seem fast on a range of apps? It does.
 
I wonder who is footing the bill for this little brain pygmy to use his iPhone? This is our future folks. A 14 year old buying premium hardware and then bitching about it to everyone in the world. At least back in the day when there was no internet it was just the parents themselves that were punished by their own spoiled little creations.

Do us all a favor and go bitch at your parents. We really don't want to hear it. But, then again. I suppose it is easier for them to shower you with money and give you the capability annoy other people than have to put up with you. Did they by chance raise you by setting you in front of a DVD player and computer to shut you up?

Did you know i have a job? Thats where MOST of my money comes from. I get like $300 from family and relicitives ONCE A YEAR, at Christmas. So they don't shower me with money. I have to do something to get it.:rolleyes:
 
The biggest problem is most computer hardware developers are misguided much like some of the people here and are only worried about the parts.

Apple is more worried about the sum of the parts and what that creates, not just throwing a big list of parts together and trying to make an impressive spec sheet.

Ultimately the iPad will succeed or fail based on its usability for people who buy it. How much ram it has or doesn't have will not disuade that. If it does have slightly less memory than the Touch then that is for the developers to deal with...

Even better said! This quote should end this discussion. The user doesn't care about specs; it's about what widget A does for them and how well it works. Devs will manage, users will be happy hopefully.

And next year, Apple will spend the 5 extra cents and double the RAM, so everyone can complain that device X has 1GB and Apple's still so cheap.

And they'll write their complaint... from their iPad.
 
I'd feel better about society if he was saving up for college instead of for expensive toys.
I'm probably biased but....
If the kid has to work all year for a $600 expensive toy I think he could wait until he could legally get a real job (even if it's part time and he works 2 hours a week he'll make more than that) where he could actually make something semi-significant before he starts putting it twoards college.
 
Wow. Just wow. You guys are a bunch of absolutely clueless noobs. Talk to any mobile developer and they will tell you that 256mb of ram on a phone is a lot. Before the iPhone came out most phones had a small fraction of what the original iPhone had (128mb).

When developing for phones and embedded systems, you have to think about memory, processor and battery life constraints when developing software. You cannot just port a desktop app over to a phone and expect it to work.

You might see phones coming out with more than 256mb of ram but that will probably be an indicator that the platform is inefficient and that the coding standards/API are weak when it comes to memory management. Android is an example of this where Google took the linux OS and did a rush job on the software. There is a lot of code in android that has no place on a phone platform and that extra bloat uses ram which slows down the UI and execution of programs.

As others have indicated already, the PS3 only has 256mb of ram and it plays complex games. Devs on the iPhone platform who target both new and earlier generation devices like the iPhone 2G have to work within less than 128mb of ram and load resources on the fly. Games like Hero of Sparta and N.O.V.A work on both machines that have only 128 mb ram and newer devices like the iPhone 3GS and iPad.

If you are going to use that flash to iPhone converter, you might run into problems but if you develop native apps, you will know to load resources as you need them instead of at once like the flash games do.

If Apple were to have released the iPad with 512MB of ram then you all would be complaining that the iPhone is getting left behind when developers started getting lazy and only coding for the iPad rather than optimizing the code to run on both platforms. You guys will always find something to whine about.
 
Kids these days, no historical perspective.

Unix started out in the early days with full background operation, and multitasking with all of 16K memory.

Yeah, and to be fair the ipad would actually be useful to me if I could use cat/grep/vi..
 
In theory, that's all nice and dandy. The problem in the real world, however, is that today's DSLRs produce RAW images that have 50MB+ in size per photo, that movies in 1080p are easily 4 to 8 GBs big and that an average high quality mp3 also easily has more than 10 MB.

Now you want to actually edit and manipulate one or two or three of those files. Let's say you want to create a collage from six of those high resolution RAW images. Or you want to create an audio file with eight tracks.

And you want to do that on your fancy iPad, which is ah-so capable.

You will quicker run out of those 256MB memory than you can imagine, and the thing will start swapping like crazy. If it even -can- swap memory.

And memory costs nothing these days. The only reason why Apple has not put more memory into that device is that they wanted to squeeze as much profit in those USD 499 as possible. End of discussion.

What really annoys me is this endless circle that somebody compare to the Stockholm syndrom:

Apple releases a product WITHOUT dozens of features that people actually wanted. But you will always have an army of self proclaimed Apple defenders and fanboys who will find millions of excuses why you don't need any of those features. Or why Apple's much weaker features are still okay compared to the competition that's technologically years ahead. For example, a 1 Megapixel camera in a mobile device compared to 5 Megapixel cameras (with Zeiss lenses) that are in competing products - and still everybody will say that Apple's outdated and inferior technology is "just fine".

If Apple was going to release a computer without a CPU, you'd probably still find Apple fanboys who'd defend that.

Apple has products that are worth their price. I just don't think that the iPhone, iPod and iPad are among them - especially not with all the artificial restrictions in those devices that are only there to make the customer a slave to iTunes and the AppStore.

Everything you just mentioned wasn't intended to be used on an iPad... troll more please.
 
Wow. Just wow. You guys are a bunch of absolutely clueless noobs. Talk to any mobile developer and they will tell you that 256mb of ram on a phone is a lot. Before the iPhone came out most phones had a small fraction of what the original iPhone had (128mb).

When developing for phones and embedded systems, you have to think about memory, processor and battery life constraints when developing software. You cannot just port a desktop app over to a phone and expect it to work.

You might see phones coming out with more than 256mb of ram but that will probably be an indicator that the platform is inefficient and that the coding standards/API are weak when it comes to memory management. Android is an example of this where Google took the linux OS and did a rush job on the software. There is a lot of code in android that has no place on a phone platform and that extra bloat uses ram which slows down the UI and execution of programs.

As others have indicated already, the PS3 only has 256mb of ram and it plays complex games. Devs on the iPhone platform who target both new and earlier generation devices like the iPhone 2G have to work within less than 128mb of ram and load resources on the fly. Games like Hero of Sparta and N.O.V.A work on both machines that have only 128 mb ram and newer devices like the iPhone 3GS and iPad.

If you are going to use that flash to iPhone converter, you might run into problems but if you develop native apps, you will know to load resources as you need them instead of at once like the flash games do.

If Apple were to have released the iPad with 512MB of ram then you all would be complaining that the iPhone is getting left behind when developers started getting lazy and only coding for the iPad rather than optimizing the code to run on both platforms. You guys will always find something to whine about.

The PS3 has 512MB ram and have you ever tried to view webpages on it? its horrific for someting with that much calculation power. (yes, i have one).
 
When my dad was my age, he had a paper route too. He didn't save for college. He gave it to his parents as he was one of 10 kids. Most of his siblings did the same. Then when he was a bit older and was more independent, he got a REAL job, and started saving for college. So I can spend/save now, and spend and save even more when i get a real job. of course I'm going to go to college, but a paper route isn't going to be much of a help for education.

Exactly. Don't listen to them.

This is the only post in this thread that matters.

It is, but unfortunately, some people will never see that.
 
Don't really know what to say about the kid saving up for an iPad...

As far as iPad specs go, I don't really care. That may sound stupid but I don't. I do know that my iPad is fast and responsive. That I care about! ;)
 
Wish people knew

I wish people would understand that its all based off architecture of the OS...

Did you know a "router" which uses IOS (Cisco's realm) can be run with 128mb and hold the whole BGP internet table while routing Multicast/Unicast traffic + 2 millions packet per second while doing deep packet inspection....with a CPU thats only 400Mhz!! my point exactly...We are not dealing with a Windows based machine or IOS based for that matter. So for the Kiddies that "think" bigger is better without understanding the underlying technology should shut up. thank you and have a happy easter :)


CCIE #25143 (RS)
 
Everything you just mentioned wasn't intended to be used on an iPad... troll more please.

Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the assumption this is the "iPad discussion thread" not "Gush about the iPad and shoot the messenger for noting lacking features thread". Whew! Glad we have your eagles eyes here to keep the blinders on and go forward in a straight line to stay the course. ;)
 
I wish people would understand that its all based off architecture of the OS...

Did you know a "router" which uses IOS (Cisco's realm) can be run with 128mb and hold the whole BGP internet table while routing Multicast/Unicast traffic + 2 millions packet per second while doing deep packet inspection....with a CPU thats only 400Mhz!! my point exactly...We are not dealing with a Windows based machine or IOS based for that matter. So for the Kiddies that "think" bigger is better without understanding the underlying technology should shut up. thank you and have a happy easter :)


CCIE #25143 (RS)
You see... this is why people who type this kind of rant get labelled fanboy. Your argument is 256mb is better than 512mb. Just LOL.

Are you one of the fanboys who said the original ipod touch didn't need speakers? :rolleyes:
 
I think some fear Apple will stop focussing on the Mac platform in preference for what many see to be a toy. Others lament the loss of complexity and thus flexibility.

Some think it represents the future of computing. Many embrace this kind of future of apparent simplification of computing. Yet others detest a future where the platform is locked down and apps have to be approved by Apple.

It is very polarizing.

A toy? If that's what some see it as, what is the f*****g problem, because a toy is fun, and people have fun with toys.

If Apple is moving toward these "toys", what is the problem? Do people think their needs will not be met by some company, perhaps not Apple? If that's the case then I have two comments: 1) your numbers are so small that profit grubbing corporates will ignore you, and 2) gang together and figure out a way to address your needs (which are real and need to be addressed).

Apple isn't the company that will address everyone's wants (these are wants after all, not needs) - so what? Go elsewhere, or create elsewhere, but these people that are complaining need to stop trolling around taking the joy and happiness from people who like Apple's products. It's such a sad world we live in where people are hell bent on taking other people's happiness.
 
You see... this is why people who type this kind of rant get labelled fanboy. Your argument is 256mb is better than 512mb. Just LOL.

Are you one of the fanboys who said the original ipod touch didn't need speakers? :rolleyes:

And the underlined is why you need to take a reading comprehension class. Care to point out where that poster said that?

He just said that 256mb isn't the end of the world. As for the speaker on the original ipod, mine seemed to work just fine without one, and adding one next generation amazingly didn't make my first gen stop working.
 
Your argument is 256mb is better than 512mb. Just LOL.

Nice, just twist what was said and see if anyone notices..

I think the point was that you get badly made, and slower stuff with 512MB, but something well made with 256MB can run more efficiently.
 
You see... this is why people who type this kind of rant get labelled fanboy. Your argument is 256mb is better than 512mb. Just LOL.

Are you one of the fanboys who said the original ipod touch didn't need speakers? :rolleyes:

Im just stating the facts...If only people understood technology **sigh**

P.S. Didnt even know the Touch didn't have a speaker and my girlfriend has one lol..Guess I assumed it did.
 
Nice, just twist what was said and see if anyone notices..

I think the point was that you get badly made, and slower stuff with 512MB, but something well made with 256MB can run more efficiently.

Twist, what twist? Since when did stating facts become twisting. It is a twisty world you fanboys live in. No one said anything about improving memory management and operating apps efficiently. That is a SEPERATE MATTER. As has been shown already there's no memory management when it comes to loading a few tabs. Lets not get into multitasking.

THREAD TITLE - "iPad Tech Specs: Cortex A8, 256MB Ram, PowerVR SGX 535"

This thread is about the specs. If you don't want to talk about the specs. Then you know where to go!!
 
In theory, that's all nice and dandy. The problem in the real world, however, is that today's DSLRs produce RAW images that have 50MB+ in size per photo

Now you want to actually edit and manipulate one or two or three of those files. Let's say you want to create a collage from six of those high resolution RAW images. Or you want to create an audio file with eight tracks.

And you want to do that on your fancy iPad, which is ah-so capable.

What camera are you using that creates 50MB+ RAW files? Nothing made by either Canon or Nikon produces RAW files that large (I think the D3x is in the 30ish MB range for RAW).

Secondly, the iPad isn't designed for image editing. My Macbook isn't hot with image editing. All my photo work is done on a desktop. Who in their right mind would expect a netbook or tablet to be able to handle processor intensive tasks? That may be what you were hoping for with the iPad, but that is completely unrealistic.
 
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