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I think that this guy makes a good point by comparing it to other devices that focus on one application at a time, like the PS3 or Xbox. It makes much more sense in terms of the performance that they get when you think of it that way.

I don't understand where this PS3 has only 256MB of memory nonsense came from. It has 512MB the CPU and GPU have access to both pools. It just isn't unified...
 
Who is going to throw away a working iphone?

Just because something new comes out doesn't mean the old ones are useless, The second hand market is quite robust.

Realize his unabated rage over Blu-Ray-less Macs leads him to make all sorts of irrational claims about his now-hated ex (Apple). Bitter divorcee syndrome, you see.

Me, I'll easily be able to sell my wife's 1st gen iPhone when I upgrade to the new model and she gets my 3GS.
 
cmaier said:
First, you should know I designed CPU's for over a decade for AMD, Sun, and Exponential Technology, and I have a Ph.D. where my dissertation involved the design of a memory controller and memory chip.

I'm now a litigator myself, and the one thing I know having worked so long in industry is that litigators don't know nearly as much about the technology they are litigating as they think they do.

Dude, go ahead and keep quoting your experience with these second rate chip makers, but it appears matticus knows a lot more about what he's talking about than you do. Stop foaming at the mouth and argue your point.
 
Since when did the Blackberry run the iPhone OS?

Mine does. ;)

You people are forgetting that your iPhone/iPod touch is "backgrounding" right now as we speak, on its "puny" 256 MB of RAM. At any given time there are multiple processes in the background doing their thing, but it's out of sight and out of mind. How do you think you're able to listen to music and browse Safari at the same time? Background processes. Or those push notifications. There is a process that is constantly listening for apps to send a notification call, whereupon it displays the notification badge. There are other examples out there for those who wish to search and read up on how it works.

The capability of iPhone OS to run multiple apps at the same time is already there, and to enable it, all Apple would have to do is flip a switch.
 
The capability of iPhone OS to run multiple apps at the same time is already there, and to enable it, all Apple would have to do is flip a switch.

And maybe they'll flip it at tomo... err, today's event.

If so, then once v4 is released... we'll get posts from users who run the thing leaving 47 apps open at the same time, complaining about how "slow" the iPad is.

:rolleyes:
 
Dude, go ahead and keep quoting your experience with these second rate chip makers,
Both AMD and Sun have made valuable contributions to the industry. AMD is responsible for the 64-bit implementation in modern x86 processors. Intel cribbed it.
Stop foaming at the mouth and argue your point.
I don't doubt that cmaier does have knowledge in the field, and the discussion has been fairly well resolved.

But thank you for the support!
 
Who is going to throw away a working iphone?

Just because something new comes out doesn't mean the old ones are useless, The second hand market is quite robust.

Can't be bothered to work out the residuals - but i'll bet there aren't many 3 year old phones that still have a commercial value.

Same with iPods.

So true, I've had every version of the iPhone, all are still being used by someone in my extended family.

Just because I want the lastest tech doesn't mean everyone has to have it.

Realize his unabated rage over Blu-Ray-less Macs leads him to make all sorts of irrational claims about his now-hated ex (Apple). Bitter divorcee syndrome, you see.

Me, I'll easily be able to sell my wife's 1st gen iPhone when I upgrade to the new model and she gets my 3GS.

You guys are like Toyota Prius drivers insisting that something better and cheaper will never come along despite the things taking off and driving people into solid walls.

Resale value once competition hits? Yeah, right. Most people hold onto old Apple crap because they can't begin to get the overpriced money they paid for it out of it. And there it sits until it hits the dumpster.

And passing the obsolete stuff onto the wife and kids while you get the current overpriced iToy? WOW, what great spouses and parents you fanbois are! Much beloved I am sure.

Really, you all need to spend a lot less time on your knees at the Steve Jobs shrine. The air's not so good for thinking down there, and then there's that constant yellow rain smell...

:apple:
 
The people at apple are a bunch of money hungry pricks (Steve Jobs is a perfect example). As much as everyone here loves them, they would cut out key features like a camera (costs them next to nothing to add on the scale they sell/build) or doubling the ram or the hard drive space (again a tiny cost to them).

The reason is because they want to keep crazy high profit margins and make as much money as possible. And before all of the bleeding heart apple fans start crying about how they own stock in apple and they like this mind set, or that apple is a business and needs to make money like every other business, let me say that they would still be making a KILLING if they cut into their profit margins by a fraction of a percent and made iPad a bit better.

So drop the arguments of why they didn't do something, it's only for money.


15 minutes is based on a 10 hour battery life (at 11 hours, it would be closer to 18 minutes), and I'm sorry, but I can't agree that 15-18 minutes is meaningless.

Standby current is not operating consumption, and I note from Micron's own data sheets that their read/write current is far higher than the Samsung, at 115mW.

You are using DPD figures--i.e. no data retention--the pinnacle of dishonesty. I'm seeing idle refresh consumption at 4mW to 70mW, very much in line with the Samsung data I have previously posted.

No one is arguing that point.

And I dispute strenuously your foreclosing of that notion. Engineering considerations clearly matter end-to-end here, and though supplier availability and production concerns also undoubtedly played a role, I can't seriously believe that Apple would have gone to the trouble to shave down the Cortex A8 while ignoring completely the impact of RAM selection (especially since saving just a hypothetical 10% on the A8 would amount to less than 30mW, something that clearly had value to Apple, and I doubt they had the resources or ability to make much deeper cuts than that).

Edit:

More dishonesty. NAND flash and RAM are not comparable--RAM is in constant use, but NAND is read and written only as needed and quite infrequently in the grand scheme of things. NAND is also non-volatile--it does not require active power like RAM to maintain its state. All iPads have two NAND chips, presumably with comparable read/write power requirements, and thus comparable operating power consumption. An iPad constantly seeking from NAND would and does have considerably shorter battery life, regardless of capacity. In fact, along with keeping the wireless active, the constant NAND access is a major reason why an iPad pushed to its limits only lasts about 6 hours.
 
You guys are like Toyota Prius drivers insisting that something better and cheaper will never come along despite the things taking off and driving people into solid walls.

I tend to think of us more as Jaguar drivers, just because a new model comes out, the previous one is still a quality machine to enjoy.

Resale value once competition hits? Yeah, right. Most people hold onto old Apple crap because they can't begin to get the overpriced money they paid for it out of it. And there it sits until it hits the dumpster.

ALL gadgets depreciate, but I can't think of many other brands that hold their value BETTER.

Any suggestions?

What do 2-year old samsung phones, laptops, MP3 players go for on eBay?

And passing the obsolete stuff onto the wife and kids while you get the current overpriced iToy? WOW, what great spouses and parents you fanbois are! Much beloved I am sure.

Define 'obselete'.

Really, you all need to spend a lot less time on your knees at the Steve Jobs shrine.

Well, thanks for stopping by this :apple: discussion board and telling us.
Were you on your way to somewhere whose general outlook you actually agreed with? Don't let us stop you.
 
Thats not right.

The Cell has direct access to the 256MB XDR. The RSX has access to the GDDR3 RAM and the XDR.

Eh, I have seen some stuff that states that Cell can read/write to the GDDR as well.

There isn't anything in this pic that shows that Cell cannot access the GDDR.

PS3-memory-bandwidth-table.jpg

This pic shows that it is just slow.

If anything it shows that the amount of bandwidth the PS3 has puts it in a different class than the iPhone/iPad. I have asked what the memory bandwidth is before and never got an answer. I assume it is because that information is under NDA (dunno why) or no one actually knows. But what I have seen is that the SGX535 can only use 4.2GB/s of bandwidth anyways. It would be a nice upgrade in Rev B to get some video memory. One could only wish for some EDRAM...
 
Eh, I have seen some stuff that states that Cell can read/write to the GDDR as well.

There isn't anything in this pic that shows that Cell cannot access the GDDR.

PS3-memory-bandwidth-table.jpg

This pic shows that it is just slow.

If anything it shows that the amount of bandwidth the PS3 has puts it in a different class than the iPhone/iPad. I have asked what the memory bandwidth is before and never got an answer. I assume it is because that information is under NDA (dunno why) or no one actually knows. But what I have seen is that the SGX535 can only use 4.2GB/s of bandwidth anyways. It would be a nice upgrade in Rev B to get some video memory. One could only wish for some EDRAM...

Well thats what I learned from looking at PS3 cracker's blogs anyway.
 
Well thats what I learned from looking at PS3 cracker's blogs anyway.

Ah, there is some extensive info on beyond3d with regards to that stuff. At one time a bunch of PS3 devs posted there. Not so sure about that now though. But I specifically remember seeing stuff about that.
 
Well this is surprising. Only 256 RAM when I was expecting 512...The reviewers were talking about how the iPad could handle anything you could throw at it, and said it "felt" like it had a half gig of the good stuff. This is disappointing but also somewhat interesting that the iPad can run the way it does with that much, maybe the A4 takes on much of the load.

I'm trying to decide if I should get a 32GB wfi, or a 32/64 GB wifi+3G model or it might not just be better to wait it out for the next revision.

I honestly would love to have a 32GB 3G model but...it's more than $700 and I don't know if the price is justified just yet.
 
Well, thanks for stopping by this :apple: discussion board and telling us.
Were you on your way to somewhere whose general outlook you actually agreed with? Don't let us stop you.

Me, self-censor? Not happening. No, I'm the kind of unwanted jerk who hangs around a dying company (who most people think is in just dandy health) surfing it all the way down just so I can do a dance on the corpse. No greater pleasure in the world, other than keeping a company from slow suicide. That isn't happening in this case, unfortunately, mainly because of the clueless, and they are legion.

Apple isn't my first terminal dancefloor, and it won't be my last either.

:apple:
 
Me, self-censor? Not happening. No, I'm the kind of unwanted jerk who hangs around a dying company (who most people think is in just dandy health) surfing it all the way down just so I can do a dance on the corpse.

You must be a real hit at parties.

The captain of the S.S. Apple Deathwatch, last remaining man aboard, going down with his ship.

At least you're good for a little nostalgic value. Thinking back to those distant "Apple is doomed!" days can make for some amusing diversion. You're like the guy in the crowd with the feathered hair and the acid-washed jeans - a sad relic of yesteryear, charming if only for his complete obliviousness.

I'm surprised Jobs still hasn't called you personally, what with your massive annual computer budget and all...
 
You must be a real hit at parties.
I'm surprised Jobs still hasn't called you personally, what with your massive annual computer budget and all...

Oh, but I am.

And Jobs did call... I wouldn't take the call, and told my secretary to hang up on the jerk.

:apple:
 
The people at apple are a bunch of money hungry pricks (Steve Jobs is a perfect example). As much as everyone here loves them, they would cut out key features like a camera (costs them next to nothing to add on the scale they sell/build) or doubling the ram or the hard drive space (again a tiny cost to them).

The reason is because they want to keep crazy high profit margins and make as much money as possible. And before all of the bleeding heart apple fans start crying about how they own stock in apple and they like this mind set, or that apple is a business and needs to make money like every other business, let me say that they would still be making a KILLING if they cut into their profit margins by a fraction of a percent and made iPad a bit better.

So drop the arguments of why they didn't do something, it's only for money.

i agree, the 256 meg of ram is a joke, my 1999 iBook has 576meg and is hacked to run tiger and i can actually do multitasking, heck it even works on stickam just rans really slow.
 
i agree, the 256 meg of ram is a joke, my 1999 iBook has 576meg and is hacked to run tiger and i can actually do multitasking, heck it even works on stickam just rans really slow.
Actually, the joke is someone who thinks that the scaled-down iPhone OS (running on a custom Apple A4 chip no less) would need anywhere near the amount of RAM that a full-blown Mac OSX Tiger does. But then again, there are many jokers around here who have no qualms about broadcasting their ignorance all over the Internet.

I.e., my iPad will smoke your iBook doing the stuff it was *intended* to do. Of course, many people also mistakenly think that iPads are meant to replace conventional machines. Just another in a long line of lame assumptions.

[conclusion: BigTroll makes little difference.]

P.S. -- multitasking already on the way.
 
don't get mad, just cause i was poking a little playful fun, still like many others i just can't understand why they couldn't put in more ram even the original eee pc had 512. and no iam not trying to be a spec whore but its 2010 512 should have been standard.
 
don't get mad, just cause i was poking a little playful fun, still like many others i just can't understand why they couldn't put in more ram even the original eee pc had 512. and no iam not trying to be a spec whore but its 2010 512 should have been standard.

Okay, sorry. Just that your username and 1st post (in this thread) looked like you came here to be a pest... so I pulled out some strong insecticide immediately. :D

Everyone loves **more** RAM, regardless of circumstance. ;)
 
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