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no offence but.. another 256mb of ram wouldnt effect the battery or the weight of this device.

Would have been a hell of allot useful to developers... but what the hell I guess they cut back on it to boast about it being doubled in the next rev

Of course it affects battery life. Thanks for making a totally inaccurate statement.
 
Dude what is wrong with you? I don't know what you're doing to make it so slow but I also have a 3rd gen touch and it's blazing fast at everything. 3.1.3

Seriously? The 3rd gen iPod touch has a 600 MHz CPU and 256 RAM of RAM, which is the same as the iPhone 3GS. The guy mentioned iPhone 3G, which only has a 412 MHz CPU and 128 MB of RAM.

Have you ever read the post before bothering to post?
 
I disagree. I've been down the hackintosh netbook route. Slow hardware, bad designs, terrible trackpads and terrible screens. Sounds like rubbish to me.

Sure you can run the OS on any old PC, but you lose the magic that makes the whole package. If you want the Apple magic, which most people do, you have to pay for it which most people do not want to do. So the buy PC's, which is fine for me as it keeps me in work ;)

Terrible screens? At least they arn't all yellowish. a netbook is way cheaper than a MacBook too. terrible trackpads.? I've used a new botton less trackpad, and a windows one. I wouldn't call the windows one's terrible. Bad designs? At least the USB ports aren't crammed together. On a MacBook, you MUSt use Apple's usb cables or other skinny ones, or you are screwed. Don't forget a $300 netbook does more than an iPad. Even though flash is crap, most of the web uses it, and i think Apple needs to work with Adobe, and giev the the APIs to it can use the GPu, and not all the CPU. A $300 computer does more than a $500 display that is touch sensitive. it can even do what full fledged computer can do at a fraction of the price. Just a little bit slower.
 
With NetBooks you can Consume and create media. The create part of it is less of course than a real laptop, but you can create nonetheless. With the iPad you can only consume. There is no filesystem, you cannot browse your files.
It's a nice device, don't get me wrong, but it's flawed.

My Acer Netbook has 2 GBs of RAM and a 1.6 GHz atom processor. It runs iTunes so slowly it's not even worth trying to run iTunes at all. My iPad however ru s iTunes extremely well. Plays videos, music, and the web is awesome on it. I think that this does kill many aspects of the net book. Certainly smaller, lighter, and longer lasting.

My Acer is history now. Can't wait for the 3G model to land.
 
The iPad is polarizing

The iPad is the most polarizing thing in the US since Obama. I mean, look at all these crazy posts that take the time for every article to come and denounce it. Its amazing.

Seriously, which one of these people who hate this device, if it had come out with 512 or 1024 MB of RAM would have declared, "Oh I think it is a stupid toy, but now that it has 512 MB of RAM, I am getting one."

Or if the processor was based on the multicore A9 would have changed their mind.

We all know the answer. Something about the iPad gets under the skin of alot of people who feel the need to share it at every opportunity - even on a Mac enthusiast site. Every spec is just one more thing for them to harp on. I think it might be the sense of betrayal they feel because the NEXT BIG THING was totally different than they envisioned.

The RAM in the iPad is about as relevant as the RAM in my thermostat. I have an iPhone and reading this article was the first time I knew how much RAM it had. It had never occurred to me to wonder that. I understand why these specs are relevant on a known quantity like a desktop computer, but for an optimized OS on a specific device, its not clear to me at all.
 
One highres image is going to take 30-50 MByte of ram and thats before you start any editing changes. There won't be any room left for undo/redo history.
 
Oh, alright, the specs is _everything_ ... the end user experience does not matter at all as long as the ipad got more than 256Mb ram...

WTF is wrong with people?

My nexus one has faaar better hardware than my iphone but the nexus one still feels more laggy overall, the browser is slower, the graphics is worse.

But this does not matter because my nexus got more ram than my iphone, a faster processor.

OR.... what really matter is how fast it is in your hands.
 
My Acer Netbook has 2 GBs of RAM and a 1.6 GHz atom processor. It runs iTunes so slowly it's not even worth trying to run iTunes at all. My iPad however ru s iTunes extremely well. Plays videos, music, and the web is awesome on it. I think that this does kill many aspects of the net book. Certainly smaller, lighter, and longer lasting.

My Acer is history now. Can't wait for the 3G model to land.

iTunes is bloatware. So many useless features, and its written in carbon on a mac. So it runs poorly on a great Windows machine, and okayish on a Mac. the Atom cpu doesn't really help though.
 
In any speed test, my Mum's 2006 MacBook would win over my 2005 eMac with ease. But in usage it doesn't. Don't ask me why, but my eMac feels a lot speedier than the specced-up MacBook. Same applies to this I think

In terms of all out responsiveness, my 2007 (2.2GHz x 2) MacBook Pro beats my 2008 (2.8GHz x 8) Mac Pro.

No Lie.
 
It seems like a lot of people debating the issues here in this thread don't really understand how/why computer memory works, what it does, how it is used etc etc.

Some people have touched on it, but a lot of people are making inept comparisons to other devices. It is ultimately all relative. Given that most of us really don't understand it to a level that is actually useful and are used to a singular bloated design of add more ram add more ram to run bloated desktop oses, I would say this:

Use it, and if it works well and does what you want than bully for you!

The reality is that more and more memory on desktop computers have made software developers and programmers extremely lazy. They overuse memory and are not efficient because they don't have to be. They can make bloated software and people will just buy more memory to run it.

It is not going to hurt them to be a little more efficient and a little more creative. This is how people used to have to program or so many years ago.

People are comparing this device to netbooks, laptops and desktops that run oses that in some cases use up to a gig of memory to actually run efficiently. That is not the case here.


In theory, that's all nice and dandy. The problem in the real world, however, is that today's DSLRs produce RAW images that have 50MB+ in size per photo, that movies in 1080p are easily 4 to 8 GBs big and that an average high quality mp3 also easily has more than 10 MB.

Now you want to actually edit and manipulate one or two or three of those files. Let's say you want to create a collage from six of those high resolution RAW images. Or you want to create an audio file with eight tracks.

And you want to do that on your fancy iPad, which is ah-so capable.

You will quicker run out of those 256MB memory than you can imagine, and the thing will start swapping like crazy. If it even -can- swap memory.

And memory costs nothing these days. The only reason why Apple has not put more memory into that device is that they wanted to squeeze as much profit in those USD 499 as possible. End of discussion.

What really annoys me is this endless circle that somebody compare to the Stockholm syndrom:

Apple releases a product WITHOUT dozens of features that people actually wanted. But you will always have an army of self proclaimed Apple defenders and fanboys who will find millions of excuses why you don't need any of those features. Or why Apple's much weaker features are still okay compared to the competition that's technologically years ahead. For example, a 1 Megapixel camera in a mobile device compared to 5 Megapixel cameras (with Zeiss lenses) that are in competing products - and still everybody will say that Apple's outdated and inferior technology is "just fine".

If Apple was going to release a computer without a CPU, you'd probably still find Apple fanboys who'd defend that.

Apple has products that are worth their price. I just don't think that the iPhone, iPod and iPad are among them - especially not with all the artificial restrictions in those devices that are only there to make the customer a slave to iTunes and the AppStore.
 
The reasoning for what appears to be a small amount if ram is actually in the iFixit article, which I bet most people whining haven't even read.

I read it again and didn't see anything related to what you are talking about.
 
Well, I'm not making it up. I hear more complaints after a major iPhone update that the phone is not slower at everything than faster. In fact you are the first person that I've herd of saying that. Go buy me an original iPhone with 1.1.4 on it, and let me show you how 2.x made it slower, and how 3.x makes the slug even more sluggish.


From my experience you are making it up, or you have just been unlucky. One of these is certainly true. I know lots of people who have gone through iPhone OS 1 - 3 and none of them are complaining about speed, not to the extent you are claiming.

I've just actually timed the time it takes iPod to open on a 1st gen and it's playing music within 4 seconds.

Similarly I have worked with Mac users from the beginning of OSX and none of them have ever complained of a new release slowing things down. So from what I know on first hand experience with multiple users you are talking utter rubbish.

Hate all you want, at least get your facts straight before engaging with experienced Apple users. Or at least stick to your original statements.
 
iTunes is bloatware. So many useless features, and its written in carbon on a mac. So it runs poorly on a great Windows machine, and okayish on a Mac. the Atom cpu doesn't really help though.

Though I agree 100% I still use the iPhone and iPod. So iTunes is needed. In fact it's desired. It is the center of most of my content. So for me I want a device that runs it well. A device that works with all I have in my iTunes library. Heckni have an apple tv as well. So iTunes pretty much owns me.
 
In theory, that's all nice and dandy. The problem in the real world, however, is that today's DSLRs produce RAW images that have 50MB+ in size per photo, that movies in 1080p are easily 4 to 8 GBs big and that an average high quality mp3 also easily has more than 10 MB.

Now you want to actually edit and manipulate one or two or three of those files. Let's say you want to create a collage from six of those high resolution RAW images. Or you want to create an audio file with eight tracks.

And you want to do that on your fancy iPad, which is ah-so capable.

You will quicker run out of those 256MB memory than you can imagine, and the thing will start swapping like crazy. If it even -can- swap memory.

And memory costs nothing these days. The only reason why Apple has not put more memory into that device is that they wanted to squeeze as much profit in those USD 499 as possible. End of discussion.

What really annoys me is this endless circle that somebody compare to the Stockholm syndrom:

Apple releases a product WITHOUT dozens of features that people actually wanted. But you will always have an army of self proclaimed Apple defenders and fanboys who will find millions of excuses why you don't need any of those features. Or why Apple's much weaker features are still okay compared to the competition that's technologically years ahead. For example, a 1 Megapixel camera in a mobile device compared to 5 Megapixel cameras (with Zeiss lenses) that are in competing products - and still everybody will say that Apple's outdated and inferior technology is "just fine".

If Apple was going to release a computer without a CPU, you'd probably still find Apple fanboys who'd defend that.

Apple has products that are worth their price. I just don't think that the iPhone, iPod and iPad are among them - especially not with all the artificial restrictions in those devices that are only there to make the customer a slave to iTunes and the AppStore.


Worded perfectly. All these fanboy make me sick. They think a 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB Ram and a small 160GB HD is okay for $1199. the other things can't really cost that much. the aluminum couldn't have cost more that $5.00
 
256?!?!?!? Well, we can scratch the idea of have multitasking on 4.0 for the iPad.
 
In terms of all out responsiveness, my 2007 (2.2GHz x 2) MacBook Pro beats my 2008 (2.8GHz x 8) Mac Pro.

No Lie.

I gave up on the pro towers after the dual G5. I have 3 GHz core2duo iMacs and they run extremely well. My 13" Macbook Pro runs well too. None of them were expensive either. A lot of bang for the buck.
 
Love how all those saying 256MB is 'enough' would be the same people first to say 'wow Apple really is a great cutting edge company' or 'it really is a computer' if they'd shove 512MB of RAM in there but now its 'OSX is efficient' 'size doesn't matter' 'only recently computers used 128MB of RAM'.

Sure.

256MB is small and just goes to show it really is a giant iPod Touch (not necessarily a bad thing) with little room to develop into a proper content creating/multitasking (ipod playback/push notifs dont count) computing device.

The reasons its faster than the iPod Touch/iPhone lie with the A4 chip and highly customized build of the OS...which means performance will likely degrade once the next OS update hits.

Even the latest Android phones (N1/Desire) have more RAM than it!
 
Worded perfectly. All these fanboy make me sick. They think a 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB Ram and a small 160GB HD is okay for $1199. the other things can't really cost that much. the aluminum couldn't have cost more that $5.00

You have a problem with people finding value in things you don't agree with? I'd never drop $50K + on a car, yet people that do don't make me sick. :rolleyes:
 
Some of you people are just so weird and so dang bitter about things. Apple isn't a multi-BILLION $$ company because they make crap and are too dumb to realize that 512 would be better. If things run great on 256 then 256 is GREAT!! If another 256 just makes the numbers better but really doesn't affect the end use but in rare occasions then you don't spend the money to put it in.

Let's say it's another $10. $10 x 5 million units is $50M. That's a lot of money. Apple has to please shareholders. If they learned that apple was needlessly dropping $50M to please people that don't even own the device there would be an uproar.

You don't think they're testing OS 4 on this? If it runs like crap on 4.0 then they would have put in the extra 256 more justifiably, but it must run it just fine. Get your panties out of a knot.

Last note, it seems that most of you complaining don't even own one. This thing runs fast. Just as fast as my 8 core Mac Pro with 10GB RAM. It runs just fine.
 
Do you guys really think that specs that much matter?

I'm typing from my iPad right now and so to say this thing is really fast at what it does. I do remember the times that I did these things slower on huge machines, laptops with 2 gigs of ram or with hyperthreading 2ghz core 2 duos.

You all need to understand that iPad is something that does not require 4gigs of ram to do the things what it supposed to do. And that is why this thing is called magical

In reality, this thing is not a must have device. Limited capabilites but great preformance and satisfaction on these capabilities. That's why I like this device and I got it.
 
From my experience you are making it up, or you have just been unlucky. One of these is certainly true. I know lots of people who have gone through iPhone OS 1 - 3 and none of them are complaining about speed, not to the extent you are claiming.

I've just actually timed the time it takes iPod to open on a 1st gen and it's playing music within 4 seconds.

Similarly I have worked with Mac users from the beginning of OSX and none of them have ever complained of a new release slowing things down. So from what I know on first hand experience with multiple users you are talking utter rubbish.

Hate all you want, at least get your facts straight before engaging with experienced Apple users. Or at least stick to your original statements.

Its simple. You are a fanboy. I'm just a customer. Why have 2 other people bitch and said their 3G isn't as snappy? Why is someone's wife iPhone now slower. Why is my brother's iPhone 3G slower with 3.x Its not really noticeable. But some people notice. TheSpaz can tell if an icon is a pixel off. I've been using iPhone OS devices since November 2007. I've gone from 1.1 to 3.1.3, and notice different speeds. My friend has an Original iPod touch that came with 1.1.2, and he is now on 3.1.3. he has asked me If I thin k it is slower, and asked why it is. Answer: Apple wants him to pay $199 for a new iPod touch.
 
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