Did you never notice the lack of GPS with the original iPads? This isn't a new thing that only applies to the iPad 4.
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As you say in your reply to me above "you should do a little research" before making false claims and misleading others. GPS tethering from a stock iPhone to a stock WiFi iPad DOES NOT work, whether over wifi or BT. That's a fact.
I gave a link above, here is another one, called appropriately "Debunking the Wi-Fi only iPad Tethered iPhone 4 GPS Myth". I also tested it the hard way, while traveling.
Again, Apple prevents us from tethering the GPS. On purpose. So that those who are "smart" can spend another $150 to get a basic, implied functionality which should be there in the first place.
You can do GPS tethering ONLY on jailbroken iPhones (see this, for instance: http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/07/05/try-gps-out/)
What people like darngooddesign are seeing is the iPad triangulating WiFi networks. Take it out in the open, and without GPS the WiFi iPad CANNOT find your location.
But the misinformation, perpetuated by those who keep telling others to "do their research," keeps spreading.
Yes, but that's an assumption on your part.
Which is true. Before I bought my iPad 2 with 3G, I had an iPad 1, and I used it when out and about. The You Are Here dot would dance about a bit, but it was remarkably accurate. Now, if I went off to the middle of nowhere, where there were no wifi networks for it to triangulate from, I'm sure it wouldn't have worked at all. But, regardless, it had functioning location services even when not connected to any network. So, this is misleading only because of your assumption that location services equates with GPS.
Well, I'd say that caveat emptor should apply to all purchases made from anyone, not just Apple. What amuses me about this post is that you are pointing a finger at the "Apple faithful", when you are the one who went into your purchase decision making assumptions about how perfect the iPad would be, and not bothering to understand the differences between the models. It was you who had so much faith in Apple that you assumed that a GPS chip, which, as others have pointed out, wasn't present in your iPad 1's, would have made it into the iPad 4.
I, personally, still have my iPad 2. I might upgrade when the iPad 5 comes along, but, truth be told, the 2 is still capable of doing everything that I need it to (and I put it to a lot of use, too). The one deal-making feature is a bump of the memory to 128GB. If the 4 had had that, I probably would have upgraded. But even so, I don't assume that features that "every Android tablet" has is in the iPad 4 or will be in the iPad 5.
Caveat emptor, regardless of who you're buying from...
...But the misinformation, perpetuated by those who keep telling others to "do their research," keeps spreading.
And now you've done your research; unfortunately you needed to be pushed through the process.
Imagine the headaches you would have avoided had you done the same before buying your iPad 4.
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I no longer have an iPad but I had an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4 and 4S and both were able to Tether to my iPad and share GPS and location data.
I don't think you know what you're doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbvMt0diVFU
I don't think you know what you're doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbvMt0diVFU
Uh what? Pay your carrier whether it be Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, etc for your iPhone hotspot connection. Then you can can connect your "WIFI only" iPad to it.
Carriers block the people that try to tether for free. There are usually data limits to those who want to tether.
Perhaps you should read the thread and look at the two links I posted, before you continue to spread misinformation. You CANNOT share GPS data from the iPhone to a WiFi-only iPad without a jailbreak. Period.
(Hint: that's the reason why there are a couple of such apps on Cydia - to bypass Apple's block on such sharing.)
What part of "in the middle of nowhere" did you miss?
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It's a little frustrating that so many are insistent on defending Apple's policies at all costs, even when the lack of GPS is not clearly disclosed in Apple's advertising (but the contrary is implied).
It is much more frustrating, however, that so many do not have a clear understanding of the issue and yet continue to spread misinformation about the ability to share GPS between a stock iPhone and a stock WiFi-only iPad.
Apple, like most large corporations, has figured out that it often pays to try to mislead the consumers and get the benefits from the resulting sales. Later, if it gets caught, it can always settle for a fine which is often a fraction of the resulting profits (like the $2 million it just paid in Australia to settle the 4G claims).
In this case, Apple wants to put forward an iPad model which is price-competative with offering from the likes of Google and Samsung, while effectively hiding the fact that a major feature (GPS) which is available from the competition is missing from the WiFi iPad.
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Anyway, I've now resolved my problem, by returning my WiFi iPads and exchanging them for the GPS+GSM model. At $150 extra each (not much less than the price of the GPS-equiped Nexus 7), I do believe that this is a rip off, but I really dislike the 16x10 screen ratio of the Android tablet.
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"CLEARLY?!!"
You must be kidding.... tonyy nice screengrab is very nice, but it is a small snippet burried in this long page:
http://store.apple.com/us/buy/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad#tech-specs
I really doubt the vast majority of the iPad purchasers ever get that far, particularly as the layout is purposefully unclear (shifting between single column, three columns, then two columns).
What most users see is this:
http://store.apple.com/us/buy/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad
Take a good look at the WiFi or WiFi + Cellular? and tell me if you see anything about GPS?
No mention of GPS, right?
You still believe in the "CLEARLY" part?
All you do is click the Technical Specs tab and it drops down everything little detail about the iPad.
If they specified every little thing on the section you're looking at.. it would be a clusterfu*k of text on the page.
I believe it's more the ease and cleanliness for the webpage rather than trying to hide it.
If they specified every little thing on the section you're looking at.. it would be a clusterfu*k of text on the page.
I believe it's more the ease and cleanliness for the webpage rather than trying to hide it.
"clusterfu*k of text?" Really? There are less than a dozen features altogether. This is getting hilarious.
Here is an example of how it's done when you are not trying to hide something:
http://shop.roku.com (I am sure Apple's designers can make a simple table this look prettier)
But wait, a quick search shows that others get confused by Apple's "clear" specs page, too. Like ZDNet....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/apple-ipad-does-it-have-real-gps-updated-yes-and-no/5898
Plus dozens of posts by hapless consumers on various boards.
"Clearly," there is no problem here. Apple can't be obfuscating the lack of GPS on purpose, can it?
That's where you are wrong, there is a problem and it is you. You refuse to take responsibility for your actions. You did not research your purchase, then just assumed it had the features you wanted, then are passing the blame and responsibility for your actions on to someone else.
The specs and capabilities are crystal clear. There is a return window you could have used when you discovered it lacked this feature that is so crucial for you. I'm pretty critical here on the forums of all kinds of Apple stuff, but specs they don't claim to have, and ones that aren't especially necessary for most people? Well, they get a pass from me for that.
If you want to see a bad tablet, try the Asus Prime that was supposed to have GPS, and then it didn't work. Heck, I couldn't even get the wireless signal at full bars sitting on top of my router. LOL. Returning that was a PITA too -- nothing like Apple.
If you want to criticize Apple, I think a different topic would be better.
If you want to see a bad tablet, try the Asus Prime that was supposed to have GPS, and then it didn't work. Heck, I couldn't even get the wireless signal at full bars sitting on top of my router. LOL. Returning that was a PITA too -- nothing like Apple.
If you want to criticize Apple, I think a different topic would be better.
Right, so crystal clear, that the ZDNet tech writer is having trouble figuring them out:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/apple-ipad-does-it-have-real-gps-updated-yes-and-no/5898
But while you are so good at reading specs, you didn't quite comprehend much of this thread, did you, otherwise you wouldn't be telling me about the return window...?
BTW, when I exchanged my iPads and explained why I wanted to do so, the sales person told me something to the effect "Yeah, I know, we get a lot of this."
But reasoning with true believers is pointless - there is a reason why religions persist even today.
Yep, the ones here who read every word buried deep into the specs of every gadget they buy, who think it's cool to charge $150 mark up for a $2 GPS chip, and who believe that they can tether their iPhone to their WiFi iPad, are right.
Here is to the "smart" and righteous ones.
For the rest, be aware that the WiFi-only iPad DOES NOT have a GPS chip inside it, and be aware that you CANNOT tether your iPhone's GPS to your WiFi-only iPad without a jailbreak (which is unavailable to date for the iPhone 5 and the iPad 4).
Cheers!
Right, so crystal clear, that the ZDNet tech writer is having trouble figuring them out:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/apple-ipad-does-it-have-real-gps-updated-yes-and-no/5898
But while you are so good at reading specs, you didn't quite comprehend much of this thread, did you, otherwise you wouldn't be telling me about the return window...?
BTW, when I exchanged my iPads and explained why I wanted to do so, the sales person told me something to the effect "Yeah, I know, we get a lot of this."
But reasoning with true believers is pointless - there is a reason why religions persist even today.
Yep, the ones here who read every word buried deep into the specs of every gadget they buy, who think it's cool to charge $150 mark up for a $2 GPS chip, and who believe that they can tether their iPhone to their WiFi iPad, are right.
Here is to the "smart" and righteous ones.
For the rest, be aware that the WiFi-only iPad DOES NOT have a GPS chip inside it, and be aware that you CANNOT tether your iPhone's GPS to your WiFi-only iPad without a jailbreak (which is unavailable to date for the iPhone 5 and the iPad 4).
Cheers!
Dude. Walk outside, take a breath, and think about what I said.
I have read your rambling rant and explained to you why I think it is baseless. Instead of treating everyone who disagrees with you as besotted religious zealots, maybe a little perspective is in order here. You purchased a product, were unsatisfied with it, and returned it for a full refund. How awful is that? You were so angry you even bought another one! Jeez. Next time you spend half a grand I'd recommend a minute or two with Google. You can even use the iPad in the store to do it if you'd like. And, if 150 is too much or you to stomach, there are plenty of alternatives out there!
Good luck, though trying to return something from another manufacturer who promises (unlike Apple) and doesn't deliver (Asus).
Tiresome rambling. But it is true to life. My brother is an idiot when it comes to these things too, because he assumes too many things. Luckily, he has me to point out the truth! I think it's just laziness on his part.
Also, would it be fun if Apple included GPS in all of their products? Sure. But there are other options out there, lots of viable options. You don't have to buy an iPad or like an iPad, or even like Apple decisions. But ranting about it does nothing. If you made a mistake, just exchange it or get a refund and buy something else. Move on and lead a happy life.
I think it's just laziness on his part. Also, would it be fun if Apple included GPS in all of their products? Sure. But there are other options out there, lots of viable options. You don't have to buy an iPad or like an iPad, or even like Apple decisions. But ranting about it does nothing. If you made a mistake, just exchange it or get a refund and buy something else. Move on and lead a happy life.
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Are you saying a non cracked iPhone5 does this?
Too much misinformed data here w/o full details.
It Is - Total BS the way Apple promotes this device.
Just like you said with mix matched data in 3 columns - single & double.
Not one mention of GPS - within choice - WiFi or WiFi + Cellular?
GPS option should have been right at MODEL CHOICE front & center.
It Requires more than just WIFI to function.
All Radio Service requirements should be listed first.
THIS is the quote for Wi-Fi + Cellular model:
Keeps you connected to the Internet using a fast cellular data connection when Wi-Fi isnt available.
So you can stay connected when youre commuting on the train, hanging out at the park,
or looking for directions during a road trip.
It's common for products to deceive the subjects as to its actual purpose or function, or simply omit it.
I use a special GPS mapping for the Lakes on iPad - try that w/o 3G.
Glad it worked out in the End - But when on tour out of the country - it can get ugly.
Australia the 3 months there were almost impossible to get decent WiFi service equal
to low level dialup in the wild or coffee shop.
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Are you saying a non cracked iPhone5 does this?
Too much misinformed data here w/o full details.
Ahh - the BSGPS
I'm sorry that you don't know how to read columns.
If GPS isn't specifically mentioned the assumtion is that none of them have GPS, not that all of them have GPS. However, on the tech specs they list "Assisted GPS and GLONASS" ONLY under Wifi + Cellular.
Exactly. They say look for directions under WIFI + Cellular.
You can't and Apple doesn't say that you can.
Or you could try something revolutionary like asking an Apple employee.
This is the problem with people who think that every answer is on the interent because they don't want to talk to a person.
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