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iPadOS Identified as Digital 'Gatekeeper' Under New EU Tech Rules
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If nothing changes, why bother with all the regulatory overhead?
Correct, my concern is with me. That's how a market works. People pursue their own interests and businesses that better cater to those interests are rewarded with profit. If there was a large demographic that wanted something different, the market would have developed such an alternative-- the smartphone market is huge and there are plenty of businesses that would love a bigger piece of it but the two major business models were filled: wild west and walled garden.
The EU has decided two business models were causing too much competition.
Anyone who tells you "Use this one simple trick to find Utopia!" is a charlatan. This is a specious argument that keeps recurring because people don't understand the nature of tradeoffs-- you can't change something without other things changing.
If this is a small market, then why does anyone care about it? If nothing is going to change, then why bother? If you want a fringe power user case, then get an Android device and hack it to your heart's content. But don't say things are going to change and not change at the same time.
No, they weren't particularly singled out-- they were grouped with their foreign peers.
Requiring keyboard and mouse should be mandatory to allow dual boot options. I would even go so far as to require a Magic Keyboard or some other MFA dock / folio to enable MacOS boot.
The core is still essentially Mach. The dual booth should not require much more than swapping Springboard (iPadOS UI) with Cocoa (MacOs UI). UIKit could probably be extended to support both dynamically.
It’s definitely a feeling and not an objective fact. The EU is a democracy and every adult in the EU can participate in the elections in June. If you do your homework about the topics you care about, you’ll know who to vote for.
Protecting. Lol
What stops the Queen from using your iPhone the same way you use it today?!
People tend to associate "OS" with the GUI. There are significant differences in the actual OS layers dating back to the OS X/iOS split involving things like power management, memory management, and of course security layers. If you ask a software engineer to design an OS for a phone and an OS for a desktop they're going to make very different implementation decisions. Laptops are like portable desktops, and tablets are like bigger phones-- but their underlying design tradeoffs derive from their heritage.
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You do realize what Continuity is, right? It is not the browser. It is sharing browser preferences. No different that Firefox does between desktop (Gecko) and iOS (Webkit) versions of their browser.Apple is getting ridiculous with their argumentation.
Apple: "Safari on Mac, iPad and iOS are three different browsers".
Also Apple:
Honestly Apple should just give them the middle finger and pull out of the EU lol. Enjoy your **** android products
Yesss! It should never have been excluded. iPasOS is basically just iOS.
You become a gatekeeper through the software, not the hardware. Samsung produces phones for the Android OS. Apple is a gatekeeper because of iOS iPadOS and mostly because of the appstores. Therefore the comparison betweeen Apple and Samsung doesn't make much sense.
they should also include MacOS, Watch OS too they are all the same built on BSD UNIX, use same processors based on ARM design.
I am the first to point out greedy corporations and the fact that they should all pay their fair share of taxes (including Apple) and I am for most regulatory measures by governments when they make sense for the people (not lobbyists). But we are not talking about the price of groceries and necessities that corporations and mega farms are currently price gouging under the guise of inflation.
Apple doesn't ship harmful products - if they did, I'd be behind banning them. Apple does not force anyone to buy their products or services, and they have very strong competition who sells competing products for less in just about every market they are in. Apple makes the most money because their margins are higher, not because they own any market they are in (in terms of units, users, etc.)
Apple is a higher-end hardware, software and services company. I think governments should put more focus on tax cheats, and the data harvesting and selling by Google, FB/Meta and 4chan 2.0 (Free Speech if it's Elon's Speech Twitter or 'X'). If we want to talk about being harmful, let's not fail to mention the disinformation that these platforms spread - especially as AI takes off.
2024 EU rule: Apple should open up hardware so that we can install Android, Windows, Linux on iPhone and iPads.
Apple is a monopoly in ARM processor design, they use more ARM processors than any other company.
Apple should make processor design open source to improve competition.
Apple is a monopoly in ARM processor design, they use more ARM processors than any other company.
Apple should make processor design open source to improve competition.
Billion users knew that they can't install app outside iOS app store.
why are people buying iPhones know that they can't ?
Why is government needed here ?
people can't make the decisions before buying a product ?
people know that they have options to install different app stores on Android why are people not moving away from buying iPhones ?
They could but a lot of us really want to see in spite of the EU just make iPadOS more like MacOS with its abilities to bypass the App Store altogether as an option. This involves the current security implications and that perhaps if iPadOS would come with more base storage and 8GB RAM then there isn't an issue of modernizing the iPadOS security closer to that goal. Yes every IPad sold should be capable of running stage manager as an example, not this 64GB stuff they are still selling.
“Not particularly singled out”. As its company on that list includes 4 other American companies and one Chinese one. Somehow the entire continent of Europe and within the EU, the EU found not a single company capable of competing and ”dominating” with american or Chinese counterparts across multiple categories.
If this is true, Europe has stagnated to the point of simply not being competitive, and is limiting foreign competition in a desperate attempt at remaining relevant.
If this is not true, then where are examples of the EU applying this non arbitrarily? Where are the non American and Chinese examples?
This was a very targeted attempt. Not solely at Apple, but at American and Chinese companies that dominate because Europe's own competitiveness has continued to dwindle in greater numbers of industries. And will only continue to do so.
If this is true, Europe has stagnated to the point of simply not being competitive, and is limiting foreign competition in a desperate attempt at remaining relevant.
If this is not true, then where are examples of the EU applying this non arbitrarily? Where are the non American and Chinese examples?
This was a very targeted attempt. Not solely at Apple, but at American and Chinese companies that dominate because Europe's own competitiveness has continued to dwindle in greater numbers of industries. And will only continue to do so.
This isn't as easy as you think. There are whole threads in the iPad subform and I think we shouldn't derail this one too much but to build a version of iPad OS that swaps on the fly is muuuuch more work than just swapping Springboard with cocoa and the app experience would have countless compromises. It's a terrible idea dreamt up by people who really want a touchscreen Mac that Apple refuses to build them.
I didn't say nothing would change for users I said nothing changes that prevents Apple from building a great product with a great user experience and you still haven't pointed out how these laws force Apple to build a worse product.
The DMA isn't just about end users but about businesses too, and businesses cannot ignore iOS in favour of Android due to the problem of collective action and existing market forces. Thus they have to be on iOS, given that Apple limits what apps can be developed on iOS businesses are thus prevented from competing fairly on iOS, as such there is less competition on iOS because of Apple's rules.
I'm not saying nothing will change, I'm saying that the changes shouldn't adversely affect Apple's ability to deliver great hardware and software.
I didn't say nothing was going to change generally, I said nothing would change to prevent Apple from building great products.
You still haven't outlined, concretely, how Apple will be forced to build worse hardware or software. I do not believe allowing integration with third party hardware and software makes it worse because that is ignorable and doesn't actually require too much effort on Apple's part. Apple spends 77 billion on share buybacks and less than 30 billion on R&D, if Apple needs to spend an extra billion R&D there is a giant stack of money they never used to give away.
Your favorite airline to a more restrictive place.
You are missing my point. I never said anything about touch MacOS. I personally think that would be a very bad idea. Hence my opinion that a docked iPad with keyboard and mouse be required to boot into MacOS "mode".
The core OS is the common. There are specific subsystems that are optimized, true. Power management is probably not one of those anymore. Memory management, perhaps but since iPads and Macs now share a SOC that is likely not really much different between the platforms. Which again leaves UI. I can see technical arguments for hard boot or soft boot to swap out the framework. Hard boot being the mot likely option. Having the iPad automatically hot swap the OS / UI / whatever when the iPad is docked or undocked would be difficult and notarially feasible or useful in practice.
I’m afraid you’re right. Sigh…Don't worry. I think the DOJ has picked up the baton of the heavy-handed approach in the USA.
The idea of a hot swapping OS that you swap when docked is still a bad idea that would take mountains of work from Apple and third party devs to get anything close to a good experience.
You would need:
1. Common App Core across platforms for every app - this is huge, and would break this plan, if you limit some apps to only macOS that's a bad user experience, if you limit apps to only iPad OS that is also a bad user experience - FinalCut Pro for example would require the same core so that it could work with the same files, right now it is not the same core on both platforms.
2. Every app has to have been optimized for macOS and iOS UX - So many apps fail at this right now and would require substantial investment to bring both sides of the app up to parity
3. Updates to window management to remember not only the position and state of every macOS window (which Apple already sucks at) but now also every iPadOS window too (which Apple already sucks at)
etc...
This is not a small task, the buy in required to make it a user experience that people would actually enjoy is a hard sell. Add to that fact that the action of docking undocking will still require a jarring screen flash that will result in complete loss of current task orientation and awareness. Currently if I dock my iPad I just keep going right where I already was, in this imagined scenario I have to search for the new macOS version of the window I was working in.
The developer buy in required alone would kill this...