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Then the Appstore is to be blamed for that. If they had treated developers with respect, they would not leave the appstore.

Money trumps respect. Epic will pay for exclusivity the same way they handle it on PC. Steam treats devs with respect but some have moved to Epic because they operate the store at a loss to gain exclusivity.
 
Nope, that’s it! This whole thing initially started as a “monopoly” argument but those that understood what the word means convinced regulators that Apple’s tiny marketshare in the region could not not be a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination. That’s where the whole “gatekeeper” thing came from, to avoid having to try to build a regulation that indicates that company’s shouldn’t have control over a company’s products. That would have overturned what every other company in the region was doing.
Yup, you are right. The EU stripped away all the reasons behind which Apple and others can hide. They achieved it by using arbitrary criteria because their intentions are clear, they want to foster competition.
 
Time to pull out from the EU. Turning more and more into the likes of the CCP. Rules and regulations up the wahoo and seems like they’re always looking for someone to go after, fine, etc. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…if you don’t like apples ecosystem, or android’s, don’t buy it. Plain and simple. Why moan to get them to change it if you don’t like them in the first place? I’m not an Android user but I don’t cry about how they do things, I simply don’t spend my money on Android products.
 
If it becomes unprofitable for businesses to be in the EU, they will cut production or move on. The EU is walking a very tight line right now, and they could very easily fall right off.
How to be profitable is for Apple to decide. If they get no revenue, they will have no profits. Sometimes, revenue is very important. If Apple were not making so many devices, they would not get discounts and priority treatment from their suppliers. Imagine falling demand in China, no revenue (due to no sales) in the EU; suddenly Apple is looking at 70 to 80 million devices less. The US may also go the same route as the EU, then will Apple stop selling their devices there too? If they still sell in the US but not in the EU, will the shareholders accept it?
 
Haha, of course they’re going to say that in a court setting to justify the way iOS and iPadOS works.
It makes perfect sense. Windows vs macOS has a Grand Canyon of a difference in the people that use it. Not so much with iOS.

I believe macOS is only as “secure” as it is just because Windows is used immensely more.
 
Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, ByteDance, Meta and Microsoft were all designated gatekeepers by the Commission

I'll take the philosophical arguments more seriously when the EU starts regulating the Europeans.

This all feels a lot like the local sheriff who just pulls over cars with out-of-state plates because it's good revenue and they don't vote in the local county.
 
Or he could have kept the status quo and released the app in the App Store as he did in the rest of the world, but he is trying to make a point that I believe has failed.
I think he wanted a marquee app for his app store and Delta was one such app. He could have made it available in both app stores but then he would have had to pay for CTF on his App store downloads also, which is useless for him. Apple's fault here, not his.
 
I think he wanted a marquee app for his app store and Delta was one such app. He could have made it available in both app stores but then he would have had to pay for CTF on his App store downloads also, which is useless for him. Apple's fault here, not his.
I don't know if he can monetize the App itself due to GPL licensing issues (though I may be wrong on that as I haven't dug deeply into it). The reason he gave for not putting it in the App Store is that he has no way to tie App Store downloads to a subscription like he can with the Alt Store so the Alt Store version is guaranteed to cover the CTF but the App Store version would not be.
Again, this is also on Apple because he agreed to the alternative App Store terms and prepped for release before Apple changed the rules allowing emulators in the store.
 
The EU rules will make iOS and iPadOS less secure by allowing access deeper into the core without Apple review. The devices may have been gatekeepers but only because no other vendor could create an ecosystem. Microsoft tried with a Windows phone and FAILED. Droid may have phones and tablets but have not been able to make desktop or laptop devices mainstream. So the socialist EU must cutdown the brilliant.
What has Apple done with the exclusive access to the deeper core? It has unfairly profited from it (by denying access of NFC to others, whereas it is free in Google Pay and Samsung Pay), keeping specific functions exclusive to its first party apps so that Apple can benefit whild disadvantaging the alternatives, and so on. That is what Apple did with the unfettered access it had.
 
And how the openness of the macOS hurt the Mac platform? Why don't we have that on a so called "computer" like the iPad? It uses the same services, accessing to the very same privacy levels of your information, and you can install whatever you want. Despite all of this the Macs aren't advertised as less secure devices.

I'm very happy that finally someone crushes some balls in Cupertino and bring down this walled garden for our goods. It's my device, I paid for it, now let me install whatever stuff i want.

The iPad could be an amazing device, but now it's only a lot of promise of what it could be, because it's limited as hell.
Sure, they aren't advertised as less secure devices, do you expect Apple to do that? However, they are. And it's about many things other than security. You might be fine with it, some people aren't.

You paid for an iPad, knowing what that platform was and wasn't.
 
Easily done. iOS is already fully compliant, and iPadOS is very similar to iOS so that the necessary changes can be made in no time.
We do not know if iOS is fully compliant. Apple thinks it is. We will know only once the EU finishes its investigates and finalizes the quantum of fine. If it less than $38 billion, then Apple is lucky.
 
If Apple wants to compete by crippling their competition, then the EU does not want such competition.


The gatekeeper laws have nothing to do with how a company treats its competition. They are triggered by size and nothing else, and the regulations are put in place without evidence of abuse. Apple treats their competition quite well actually-- they provide a platform they can target and they largely ignore other platforms.

This is solely about the EU attempting to cripple Apple and other foreign companies because they don't understand why all their beautiful European companies aren't able to gain a foothold on the world stage.
 
The gatekeeper laws have nothing to do with how a company treats its competition. They are triggered by size and nothing else, and the regulations are put in place without evidence of abuse. Apple treats their competition quite well actually-- they provide a platform they can target and they largely ignore other platforms.

This is solely about the EU attempting to cripple Apple and other foreign companies because they don't understand why all their beautiful European companies aren't able to gain a foothold on the world stage.
How will Apple be crippled? They are still allowed to integrate their own software and services (except safari - a decision of the EU that I disagree with). How does letting other people access the same APIs Apple uses cripple Apple? How will this actually change things for the worse?
 
The EU's regulations, like those under the Digital Markets Act, aim to ensure competitive markets and protect consumers' choices, not necessarily to dictate preferences. While Apple's esign choiceds for products like the iPad have been popular, the EU's intervention is meant to prevent any potential market dominance that could limit innovation or consumer options. This doesn't mean they believe they know better than customers; rather, it's about maintaining a healthy, competitive market where consumer rights and choices are safeguarded.
This regulation is limiting consumer options. Millions of us prefer a closed ecosystem and think it's the right path to create a great product; now the EU is banning the possibility to create it. Apple has less dominance in the phone market than Nokia had; less dominance in the tablet market than Microsoft has in PCs, etc. How is this enhancing innovation and competition?
 
(by denying access of NFC to others, whereas it is free in Google Pay and Samsung Pay)
How many major vulnerabilities have been found in Android Apps that compromise the device versus apps in the Apple system? Maybe there is a good reason to deny access to sensitive areas of the OS. An app gaining access to critical financial functions should be heavily vetted. Apples vets the apps, Google doesn't really care.
 
Yup, you are right. The EU stripped away all the reasons behind which Apple and others can hide. They achieved it by using arbitrary criteria because their intentions are clear, they want to foster competition.
You do understand that 'arbitrary criteria' is not the kind of thing that any regulatory or legislative body should be known for, right?
 
Instead of Apple making the decisions for all its users, it can make recommendations. If you always accept those recommendations, what would the difference be to you? The end result is the same.
Just to give you some examples:
  • Some developers will decide to sell their apps outside the App Store.
  • Some banks will decide not to use Apple Pay.
  • Some parents will be tricked to download unverified software outside the App Store.
  • Same with children and parental control.
 
That is not the same!

Spotify hasn't got a unique product, nor that tells the people what and how to sing.

Apple indeed does have a unique product and tells people how to code their products and doesn't allow competition.

You can see this in the browser category, where you only get one single browser and others can only put another UI above it.

And Spotify is a good example too. Apple does take an extra fee when another company wants to sell the exact same product. That is not a free market where the better product makes more profit. Even if nobody uses Apple Music, they would still make millions when people use Spotify and pay it through the Spotify app instead of the webpage.

I find it fascinating that the argument for Apple vs Spotify and Apple's 30% take ALWAYS conveniently ignores that Apple pays for the creation, maintenance, and development of the whole iOS ecosystem, while Spotify incurs exactly NONE of those costs.

Now, you might argue that 30% is too high of a take and I might even agree with that, but the idea that this is 30% vs 0% is not grounded in reality and undermines any argument that uses it.

As for "Apple has a unique product and doesn't allow competition", what competition does Apple forbid that Spotify allows?
 
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I would at least love the option to dual boot my iPad with macOS.
That would be a nice feature for some. I envision several problems with that option.

1. That would cut into the sales of Apple's laptops.
2. The typical user might get confused and get somewhere they don't know how to resolve. The majority of users are not technically savvy.
3. MacOS is not a touch OS for reasons I don't know. I personally don't like touch on a full computer system.
4. That would require the additional of a mouse and keyboard, or a combination. That adds to the expense.

Is there underpinnings within the iPad hardware that would not be compatible with MacOS?
 
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How will Apple be crippled? They are still allowed to integrate their own software and services (except safari - a decision of the EU that I disagree with). How does letting other people access the same APIs Apple uses cripple Apple? How will this actually change things for the worse?

Apple is being prevented from providing the type of products and services customers like me appreciate. The kinds of integrated systems that Apple became famous for and that customers like me value greatly.

The EU has told Apple not to be Apple, and has told Apple's customers that there is only one business model allowed and our preference for Apple over Android was misguided. If Apple's control of their platform was degrading my user experience, I'd change platforms.
 
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