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iPadOS Identified as Digital 'Gatekeeper' Under New EU Tech Rules
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Darth Tulhu
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It dawned on me that these people don't understand that in Apple's case the hardware is made FOR the software, not the other way around.
Hence the longstanding Apple (Alan Kay's really) philosophy of: "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware".
I find it amusing that the era of information has brought about more ignorance and disinformation than ever before, even when compared against the invention of religion.
Hence the longstanding Apple (Alan Kay's really) philosophy of: "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware".
I find it amusing that the era of information has brought about more ignorance and disinformation than ever before, even when compared against the invention of religion.
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By enforcing already existing rules.
Wow. Who needs socialism when you can just run the companies from afar, without the pesky parts of actually owning and running them. Apple's software policies are not really any surprise. If you don't like Apple's products and services, then don't buy Apple's products and services. I don't like the insulting 5GB iCloud they provide. And they are pretty stingy when it comes to RAM. But that is my decision, and I accept those trade-offs when i choose to buy their products. What's next? Are Windows machines going to be required to allow install of MacOS (or Linux or ChromeOS or Meta or...?) upon boot-up? Or Macs, required to offer Windows? Will diesel cars be required to accept non-diesel gas? Canon cameras required to use Nikon lenses? Maybe force Activision to release Mac versions of Call of Duty? Force the EU to allow non-European nations to join?
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"despite not meeting the thresholds,"
IOW, if the data doesn't show what you want, change the data. Ever heard of GIGO?
This from the countries that gave the world the EUgo auto. See how it was named?
Time to let the EU go its own way? In many things.
Darth Tulhu
macrumors 68020
Nowhere near that simple. Apple is and always has been a gated community. Windows and Linux are the Wild West. ALL of us have ALWAYS been able to choose where we live.
Now the EU wants to tear the gates of my CHOSEN community down because a few people that moved here don't like it.
And how the openness of the macOS hurt the Mac platform? Why don't we have that on a so called "computer" like the iPad? It uses the same services, accessing to the very same privacy levels of your information, and you can install whatever you want. Despite all of this the Macs aren't advertised as less secure devices.
I'm very happy that finally someone crushes some balls in Cupertino and bring down this walled garden for our goods. It's my device, I paid for it, now let me install whatever stuff i want.
The iPad could be an amazing device, but now it's only a lot of promise of what it could be, because it's limited as hell.
Nintendo isn't designated under the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) because it doesn't meet certain specific criteria that define a "gatekeeper" in the digital market under this regulation. The DMA focuses on large digital platforms that significantly influence the EU market through their role as intermediaries between business users and consumers. Key criteria include having a vast user base (both businesses and consumers) and offering core platform services that are integral to digital commerce and communication across multiple EU member states.
The actual criteria are specified by article 3 paragraph 1. The thresholds mentioned are specified by paragraph 2, and are secondary rules stating when the criteria of paragraph 1 MUST be assumed to have been met, and also specifying when companies have to notify the Commission that they have crossed the thresholds. The criteria of paragraph 1 can still be evaluated positively even when those specific thresholds are not met.
The rules have not changed. Maybe familiarize yourself with how these laws work before you make such statements.
Are the 1 billion device users in EU?
Apple have 2 billion+ devices out there…
Notic that EU don’t care about the the devices Apple have outside the EU market.
The EU's regulations, like those under the Digital Markets Act, aim to ensure competitive markets and protect consumers' choices, not necessarily to dictate preferences. While Apple's esign choiceds for products like the iPad have been popular, the EU's intervention is meant to prevent any potential market dominance that could limit innovation or consumer options. This doesn't mean they believe they know better than customers; rather, it's about maintaining a healthy, competitive market where consumer rights and choices are safeguarded.
EU is not a country.
nobody is taking anything away from you.
No, there is an MacBook for that
That won't be happening for iPads though, it’s only for batteries above a certain (large) threshold.
The regulation itself mentions that the criteria will be mentioned in the Annexure and there can be further delegated acts to change these criteria as and when needed. In any case, the MacRumors article mentions that an investigation was launched on the same day it designated iOS, Safari, and AppStore as Gatekeepers to assess whether iPadOS was also a Gatekeeper.
Regulation - 2022/1925 - EN - EUR-Lex
"In order to provide legal certainty for gatekeepers, the elements to determine the number of active end users and business users per core platform service should be set out in an Annex to this Regulation. Such elements can be affected by technological and other developments. The Commission should therefore be empowered to adopt delegated acts to amend this Regulation by updating the methodology and the list of indicators used to determine the number of active end users and active business users."
If that is wat you need, just get a MacBook
Instead of Apple making the decisions for all its users, it can make recommendations. If you always accept those recommendations, what would the difference be to you? The end result is the same.
You seem to be mixing the EU as the super national government entity and the voluntary actions done by the individual nation’s government…That’s like saying politicians are totally not bought and have no financial interests just because they are elected.
I’m pro EU but everything about it sucks. They pretend to be left wing and progressive but everything we see is more crime, more illegals taking jobs or working as actual slaves across the continent, more drug trafficking, and more money laundering from Asia buying up all the properties in many cities.
If they were so successful why is the far right growing? Why are they demanding weaker security for mobile devices? Is the main beneficiary the crooks who will exploit our devices and pay them a cut of the profits?
Why were they happy to accept the Kremlin’s dirty money across the continent for so many years and then realize whooops that was a bad idea?
The parliament building probably still stinks like a crack house after all these years.
Reporters find cocaine in EU parliament
Significant amounts of cocaine have been found in the European parliament, German undercover reporters claim.www.theguardian.com
EU can’t prevent Germany from buying Russian gas without major political support by the people and member states.
Agreed. I think from left,right,conservative,liberal, what party would be in favor of anti-right-to-repair and pro-planned obsolescence? There is much that the different parties do not see eye-to-eye on, but this is not it. Why would you be against it? Maybe there is a strong "regulation = communism" sentiment in the US, but not so much in the EU. Who knows, this might all become also a positive for Apple, since iMessage is almost as dead as FB messenger here (Whatsapp rules the messenging space). Cross compatibility with Android might actually create an uptick in its usage).
why make excuses for apple's excellent hardware being hamstrung by their limiting developer agreements?
Why can't we just be glad that people will get to use their devices (that they paid a premium for) in new innovative ways?
Trust me. The calls to have the gates opened was no where nearly as loud until Apple have increasingly become little tyrants, going well beyond ‘safety’ into the realm of restricting freedom and open competition, and using their existing success to prevent others from being creative in adjacent markets
If a company doesn't like the EU marked they can leave.