iPad Pro IPadOS? They should call it BigBoyOS

[alphaswift]

I can actually move a file from a stick onto my Ipad now. Oh the joy of simple things in life.

Still wanted: Widgets on the home screen and live tiles..err icons like Windows Mobile (or Windows 10).

Good work, Apple.

 

[Shirasaki]

iPad still cannot run a slew of professional applications for engineering, science or whatnot. It still cannot be used to develop an iOS app. Restoring iPad still needs a computer and finder/iTunes.

Even for file management, iPadOS does not support NTFS drive and various Linux filesystems. And transfer speed is slow. On top of that, there is no “safety remove USB drive” feature.

So yeah, iPad still has a very long way to go to be a “bigboy OS”.

 

[sparksd]

iPad still cannot run a slew of professional applications for engineering, science or whatnot. It still cannot be used to develop an iOS app. Restoring iPad still needs a computer and finder/iTunes.

Even for file management, iPadOS does not support NTFS drive and various Linux filesystems. And transfer speed is slow. On top of that, there is no “safety remove USB drive” feature.

So yeah, iPad still has a very long way to go to be a “bigboy OS”.

And is it possible to play a large (5GB) mp4 video directly from attached storage? I can see the video file from Files but the only play options I see are through Share and Open in Infuse/VLC/nPlayer, none of which will then play the video. What am I missing in the flow?

 

[rui no onna]

And is it possible to play a large (5GB) mp4 video directly from attached storage? I can see the video file from Files but the only play options I see are through Share and Open in Infuse/VLC/nPlayer, none of which will then play the video. What am I missing in the flow?

Wait for the apps to be updated. Might need to directly from within app, as well.

Has Open In actually open files directly or does it still copy files to the target app? With my ebooks, it copies files to Marvin Reader on public beta but that app hasn't been updated since 2017 so I don't know if behavior has changed elsewhere.

 

[Wags]

How about putting Mac OS.

 

[sparksd]

Wait for the apps to be updated. Might need to directly from within app, as well.

Has Open In actually open files directly or does it still copy files to the target app? With my ebooks, it copies files to Marvin Reader on public beta but that app hasn't been updated since 2017 so I don't know if behavior has changed elsewhere.

Video players generally stream direct without copy (at least with my wireless FileHub and via SMB).

 

[Shirasaki]

Wait for the apps to be updated. Might need to directly from within app, as well.

Has Open In actually open files directly or does it still copy files to the target app? With my ebooks, it copies files to Marvin Reader on public beta but that app hasn't been updated since 2017 so I don't know if behavior has changed elsewhere.

“Open In” works as the name suggests, opens the file straight from Files app storage space. The app however, may warn you certain actions are unavailable.
Below are one of such “Open In” examples.

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And is it possible to play a large (5GB) mp4 video directly from attached storage? I can see the video file from Files but the only play options I see are through Share and Open in Infuse/VLC/nPlayer, none of which will then play the video. What am I missing in the flow?

If the file app supports that format, sure. You can play straight within files app. For third party app, you may need to wait somewhere between a few weeks to maybe even a year for “Direct access” support.

 

[sparksd]

And is it possible to play a large (5GB) mp4 video directly from attached storage? I can see the video file from Files but the only play options I see are through Share and Open in Infuse/VLC/nPlayer, none of which will then play the video. What am I missing in the flow?

It is definitely size related. I don't know the exact breaking point but videos 4.25GB and smaller worked while 4.76GB and larger don't. All are encoded the same and I am using an exFAT-formatted Samsung T5 SSD. It's easy to tell which will work - in Files, the video file shows a thumbnail if it will work, a generic video icon if it will not.

 

[MrRabuf]

I like iPadOS and thinks it's a good (and very small) step in the right direction but it's no where close to being a "big boy OS".
* Still doesn't have proper mouse support. No, this new accessibility feature doesn't count and isn't the mouse support we're looking for.
* External monitor support is still pretty much useless.
* As mentioned previously, pretty much can't do anything scientific/engineering/programming/etc related on it without resorting to using very watered down apps or remotely logging into a real computer.
* Apple hasn't ported over their own flagship creativity/development apps (e.g. Logic, Final Cut, XCode) so it kind of shows where they lie in using an iPad for real work.
* No built-in terminal. To be fair, I get why Apple hasn't done this yet as it opens you up to doing all kinds of things Apple doesn't want you doing on an iOS platform but if they want this thing to really replace a real computer, they need it.

That's just scratching the surface. Honestly, I'd be ok with just the 1st two. I'm not sure why Apple is taking so long with this or just refuses to add such basic features.

Again, I do really like iPadOS. The new Safari alone really increases the usefulness of the device but an iPad is still much closer to being a big iPhone than a device where you can get real work done on it.

 

[joeblow7777]

iPad still cannot run a slew of professional applications for engineering, science or whatnot. It still cannot be used to develop an iOS app. Restoring iPad still needs a computer and finder/iTunes.

Even for file management, iPadOS does not support NTFS drive and various Linux filesystems. And transfer speed is slow. On top of that, there is no “safety remove USB drive” feature.

So yeah, iPad still has a very long way to go to be a “bigboy OS”.

Yeah, an iPad still can’t replace a “computer” for me, but I’m not trying to make it. It fills a different niche for me, and I’m fine with that.
(Not that I would say no to a true file management system though)

 

[TheRealAlex]

It’s the Ford Raptor of iOS devices Lol

 

[RayB4]

Anyone care to speculate when Apple will release a tablet (let’s not call it an iPad) with a full MacOS? It surely can’t be far away.

 

[Tommo66]

Anyone care to speculate when Apple will release a tablet (let’s not call it an iPad) with a full MacOS? It surely can’t be far away.

Never, by the time you add all that stuff and the requirement for a keyboard and mouse then you basically have a laptop with a touch screen so they want to sell you a laptop.

 

[RayB4]

Never, by the time you add all that stuff and the requirement for a keyboard and mouse then you basically have a laptop with a touch screen so they want to sell you a laptop.

Yes but a laptop with a touch screen and a detachable keyboard and what have you got?

 

[Tommo66]

Yes but a laptop with a touch screen and a detachable keyboard and what have you got?

Judging by then windows based models like that I have tried. A real pain. For me Tablets are Tablets and Laptops are Laptops and never the twain should meet.

 

[RayB4]

Yeah, you’re right, but I bet someone’s working on it.

 

[alien3dx]

file storage is weird.seem empty but not.So i to delete the "File" and re install then i can get empty space/storage again..Pen drive via camera adapter don't work either(lightning).. So the best ipad os just mouse and keyboard. Apple need more time to polish the new file .

 

[AutomaticApple]

So yeah, iPad still has a very long way to go to be a “bigboy OS”.

It'll get there though.

 

[MrRabuf]

Anyone care to speculate when Apple will release a tablet (let’s not call it an iPad) with a full MacOS?

Never. Apple seems intent on having a tablet be a very different product than a laptop running a traditional OS.

 

[RevTEG]

I like iPadOS and thinks it's a good (and very small) step in the right direction but it's no where close to being a "big boy OS".
* Still doesn't have proper mouse support. No, this new accessibility feature doesn't count and isn't the mouse support we're looking for.
* External monitor support is still pretty much useless.
* As mentioned previously, pretty much can't do anything scientific/engineering/programming/etc related on it without resorting to using very watered down apps or remotely logging into a real computer.
* Apple hasn't ported over their own flagship creativity/development apps (e.g. Logic, Final Cut, XCode) so it kind of shows where they lie in using an iPad for real work.
* No built-in terminal. To be fair, I get why Apple hasn't done this yet as it opens you up to doing all kinds of things Apple doesn't want you doing on an iOS platform but if they want this thing to really replace a real computer, they need it.

That's just scratching the surface. Honestly, I'd be ok with just the 1st two. I'm not sure why Apple is taking so long with this or just refuses to add such basic features.

Again, I do really like iPadOS. The new Safari alone really increases the usefulness of the device but an iPad is still much closer to being a big iPhone than a device where you can get real work done on it.

Truly not being offensive here, but one persons opinion of what defines “real work” is completely subjective. I would consider many real world professional jobs “real work”... I would also venture to say the mass majority of real work can be done on an iPad, especially when people are willing to allow different workflows to become the norm. However, most of us prefer what we‘re used to using and the way we‘ve done things in the past. It’s familiar to us. I personally know doctors, attorneys, professors and many other professionals doing real work on an iPad. Your real work needs may vary.

 

[TheSkywalker77]

How about putting Mac OS.

No thank you, I don't want to see macOS turn into a touch-friendly Windows 8 or 10.

 

[MrRabuf]

many real world professional jobs “real work”... I would also venture to say the mass majority of real work can be done on an iPad

My point was that any work involving things beyond email/word/excel/etc (i.e. writing documents), which includes a ton of different industries, are pretty much not possible on an iPad.

 

[The Samurai]

My point was that any work involving things beyond email/word/excel/etc (i.e. writing documents), which includes a ton of different industries, are pretty much not possible on an iPad.

I would say the opposite.

I work only with email, word and excel documents and yet I find the iPad impossible to work with. Sure, I have one but not with the purpose of replacing my Macbook Pro. I work with multiple spreadsheets and documents, I need to be able to a file system and view documents side by side and the iPad is not great at doing any of these.

This with the fact that I need a big screen and a mouse/trackpad, whilst the iPad OS has mouse as an accessibility feature, it's not 'better' than the existing mouse so I don't count it.

 

[RevTEG]

My point was that any work involving things beyond email/word/excel/etc (i.e. writing documents), which includes a ton of different industries, are pretty much not possible on an iPad.

I understand your point, I just don‘t agree with it. Again, no offense intended at all. I value your opinion. I run a international relief organization and teach for a college. I teach, create/edit video lectures as well as present said coursework live or uploaded 7 times each week. I‘m in the States, the college is overseas. I also use FaceTime and an ATV for all staff and project meetings. ALL from an iPad.

I’ve never been able to take my MBP into a typhoon or earthquake hit area and organize live relief aid like I can with my cellular iPad. Cell service is restored way before WiFi during relief efforts.

My dad is a doctor, head of OB, at a hospital California. Their paper patient charts are all available on an iPad. There are countless corporations running specialized apps for real world work environments. Much more work getting accomplished than document writing.

I’m sure the professional fields that are lagging will catch up soon. If the demand in those fields were the majority workforce then someone would have already created apps. Money makes the majority world go round.

 

[muzzy996]

The debate is somewhat pointless as no two of us are alike. The ability to use it as one's only productivity device will speak just as much about the capabilities of an iPad as they do the level of complexity of a person's needs. It is all completely subjective and dependent upon a person's volume of work, sources of data, processing requirements and destination requirements. Like anything else the product exists and remains successful because it is useful to a lot of people despite not being useful to others.