iPhone 11 Now Being Manufactured at Foxconn Plant in India

[AlexGraphicD]

Yes, sure...
So let's say they move the production of iPhone to the USA, it start to costs 3-4.000$ (I show you numbers that clearly show salaries etc. are 7x in USA than India, so just doubling the prices doesn't make sense). Then as one of you says, people only buy a phone every 5 years...so the company collapses, tens of thousands of employees of highly paid American employees lose their job, and hundreds of thousands connects too (American companies that provides components and materials, American people that ship the iPhones throughout the country, shops that sells iPhone and their clerks and so on and so on), and obviously all this people stop paying their taxes and file for unemployment, how does USA gains from this?

And let's not forget the more obvious thing: only 1/5 or less of previously sold iPhones get sold now, so a lot of this "American factory workers" aren't needed and get fired And in one simply stupid step you took a very successful business venture that directly and indirectly give or contributes to give work to millions of American people, and you destroyed to give jobs to what, now that only a fractions of them are needed anyway? 40.000 factory workers?

Think things through and then if they make sense, only then speak your mind...

Double the prices, triple them, or even quadruple them, I don't care. There are plenty of wealthy americans that will be able to afford a high end iPhone model. For the rest of us common folks, we can settle just fine with a cheaply made in the USA, SE model or even refurbished and second hand. There will still be profit to be made for Apple. Factor in also the high cost of transporting goods across the Atlantic ocean and how bad that is for the environment and you have a much better situation than the current one. Just bring production back to this great country. Everything else is just semantics and irrelevant.

 

[avz]

Yes, sure...
So let's say they move the production of iPhone to the USA, it start to costs 3-4.000$ (I show you numbers that clearly show salaries etc. are 7x in USA than India, so just doubling the prices doesn't make sense). Then as one of you says, people only buy a phone every 5 years...so the company collapses, tens of thousands of employees of highly paid American employees lose their job, and hundreds of thousands connects too (American companies that provides components and materials, American people that ship the iPhones throughout the country, shops that sells iPhone and their clerks and so on and so on), and obviously all this people stop paying their taxes and file for unemployment, how does USA gains from this?

And let's not forget the more obvious thing: only 1/5 or less of previously sold iPhones get sold now, so a lot of this "American factory workers" aren't needed and get fired And in one simply stupid step you took a very successful business venture that directly and indirectly give or contributes to give work to millions of American people, and you destroyed to give jobs to what, now that only a fractions of them are needed anyway? 40.000 factory workers?

Think things through and then if they make sense, only then speak your mind...

So what are you saying? You seem to imply that the mindless consumerism is the only way to move forward because it keeps "people employed".
Maybe it is time to face the music and admit that capitalism reached an impasse?

 

[avz]

India last month delayed components Apple imported. India is perhaps not the most reliable place to diversify supply chain. Plus, isn't initiative like "made in India" the sort of thing US whines about and retaliates against? Perhaps India is not competitive enough for US to bother for now. If India remains not competitive in the future, it probably is indeed a good place to have cheap labor for manufacturing for companies like Apple without much retaliation from the US. Given the current economic growth and political environment in India, it probably will remain so in the foreseeable future.

And if India decides to become "competitive" in the future there is always a Pakistan to keep her in check, right?

 

[iDron]

the us does not recognise Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan is not officially an independent country. These aren’t my political views just representation of fact. Those of you that disagree should really put your political aspersions aside and be factually correct. That’s the only way you can truly understand and support your views. Foxconn officially recognised by 95% of the world as a Chinese company.

It's obviously not a Chinese company. If it would be China, why does a Chinese person need to get a visa from some Taiwanese (called Republic of China something) government office, which has no connection to any Chinese government office?
The only reason countries do not recognise Taiwan as a country are economical. There are however diplomats stationed by many countries in Taiwan who do not recognise it officially. It's all a game to keep the CCP happy, while it is de-facto treated as an independent country.

 

[avz]

the us does not recognise Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan is not officially an independent country. These aren’t my political views just representation of fact. Those of you that disagree should really put your political aspersions aside and be factually correct. That’s the only way you can truly understand and support your views. Foxconn officially recognised by 95% of the world as a Chinese company.

I hate to break it to you but there are only 1-3 countries in the world which can be considered truly independent, the rest not so much. Taiwan is just as independent as 95% of the world.

 

[FreakinEurekan]

we can settle just fine with a cheaply made in the USA, SE model

The only way Apple would be able to manufacture enough iPhone SE in USA to meet that demand, would be by importing the labor force from outside the country. Just ONE of the factories where iPhones are made, employs up to 350,000 workers. Most of them live on site, since they're not "From" the region where the factory is. They'll travel to the factory, work for several months away from their families, then travel home. Do you really think that Apple would be able to do that in the USA? Do you think that they'd be able to find 350,000 workers willing to be separated from their families for months at a time? It's not just the labor "Cost", it's also the willingness of the workforce.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

The only way Apple would be able to manufacture enough iPhone SE in USA to meet that demand, would be by importing the labor force from outside the country. Just ONE of the factories where iPhones are made, employs up to 350,000 workers. Most of them live on site, since they're not "From" the region where the factory is. They'll travel to the factory, work for several months away from their families, then travel home. Do you really think that Apple would be able to do that in the USA? Do you think that they'd be able to find 350,000 workers willing to be separated from their families for months at a time? It's not just the labor "Cost", it's also the willingness of the workforce.

I dunno, maybe employ an advanced production automation that requires a small number of workforce to oversee the production...Anyway, we can never know for sure if Apple doesn't express and show intent that they really want to start producing their products right here in the USA. Why not come out in public and say sorry american people, we did all the calculations and everything in our power to produce our iToys in the USA but the numbers and our experts clearly say that that is not possible. But see this is the issue, Apple doesn't have that intent. They haven't even tried! They don't represent the traditional american values nor they respect the principles which this great nation was founded on. They're all about "Pride Month", global market and producing cool rap muzzikk documentariezzz. Apple's new hip and cool culture and consntalty caving in to the masses is just pathetic.

 

[supertiffany]

we'll see more indian iphone fans and less indian fans who bashed apple for being fanatic of android fones.


win-win scenario.
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Maybe the quality will be better. I went through several iPhone 11‘s all with defects such as:

Scratches and chips on the frame and camera rings
Dust under back lenses
Backlight leak through front camera module
Dust under front camera
Glue residue
Back glass misaligned

Some even had several of the issues I listed.

are those because of China factory and will that be fixed when they moved their operations in Indian factory?

 

[Mimiron]

modern-day slavery is being moved to India, good for apple I guess.

 

[patent10021]

Birdie num num

 

[zfarooq]

That’s fine. Move all iPhone production in the US and raise the price of an iPhone, I don’t know to $1,999 or even $2,599 I don’t care at this point. Let’s all learn to live with one iPhone only for many years to come, instead of treating it like this commodity product that you can buy every year just to show off to your family and co workers. That is fine by me.

suit yourself, stop buying yearly. Clearly you don’t understand business.
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I sort of agree with you. People love using the "It'll raise the price of the products..."but the same people keep buying new phones like it's chewing gum. I say bring the jobs to the US, and hike the prices and be done with it.

But we know people, in the end, only want their Apple products, as cheap as they can get them. No matter the 'cost'.

those jobs will never come back to the US, there’s no comparative advantage. You assume that Samsung will do what then ? Suddenly, every other manufacturer is substantially cheaper, and Apple loses market share, and eventually the market due on their cash cow.
you don’t want an iPhone yearly, stop buying one.

 

[bigpoppamac31]

You would think that a company would be proud to build their products in the country which allowed them to become so successful. It used to be a proud and honourable thing to have "made in USA" or "made in Canada" or "made in UK", etc on your products. Now because of greed and corruption these companies ship their stuff to Asian countries (mainly China) to be build for cheaper. Sadly those savings never get passed to the customer. It just gives the corporate heads more money in their pockets. Plus it's giving jobs away to other countries. But why anyone would do business with a corrupt communist country like China is beyond my comprehension.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

You would think that a company would be proud to build their products in the country which allowed them to become so successful. It used to be a proud and honourable thing to have "made in USA" or "made in Canada" or "made in UK", etc on your products. Now because of greed and corruption these companies ship their stuff to Asian countries (mainly China) to be build for cheaper. Sadly those savings never get passed to the customer. It just gives the corporate heads more money in their pockets. Plus it's giving jobs away to other countries. But why anyone would do business with a corrupt communist country like China is beyond my comprehension.

Totally aggreed. Sadly, times have changed and this great country is not what it used to be anymore. Everything is about bowing to the global market and promoting the consumerism culture. It is depressing to think how much power and knowhow Apple has to basically achieve anything if they just decide to do so and choose not to.

 

[ericwn]

Having iPhone 11 assembled in India would also mean it is staying in the lineup this year. Which should shoot down those ridiculous rumours of iPhone 12 having a 4G only version to replace iPhone 11.

I wonder if they would make iPhone 12 in India for launch as well.

Why would it mean it stays in the lineup? Because of the time it takes to switch a production line?

 

[ericwn]

So we're calling iPhones "handsets" now?

Great takeaway from the article. Sums it up well.

 

[ksec]

Why would it mean it stays in the lineup? Because of the time it takes to switch a production line?

The time to validate a design and production process. It makes sense to have these running for at least a year to recoup cost, even if 70% of those tooling are transferable to iPhone 12. ( Or at least judging from current rumours )

Of course the counter argument is Apple don't care about these cost and just want to run the India production ASAP.

 

[ericwn]

That’s fine. Move all iPhone production in the US and raise the price of an iPhone, I don’t know to $1,999 or even $2,599 I don’t care at this point. Let’s all learn to live with one iPhone only for many years to come, instead of treating it like this commodity product that you can buy every year just to show off to your family and co workers. That is fine by me.

Sure, as soon as you establish a system where the company and its stakeholders are not paying the price for not releasing an affordable product in a yearly manner. Capitalism and the stock market want to see growth, and plenty at that.

 

[ericwn]

What!? what happened to bringing it back and having it Made in America?!

It was never a realistic option hence not considered. It’s not “back” it was never made in the US but in a facility where sufficient can be produced to meet demand.

 

[zfarooq]

You would think that a company would be proud to build their products in the country which allowed them to become so successful. It used to be a proud and honourable thing to have "made in USA" or "made in Canada" or "made in UK", etc on your products. Now because of greed and corruption these companies ship their stuff to Asian countries (mainly China) to be build for cheaper. Sadly those savings never get passed to the customer. It just gives the corporate heads more money in their pockets. Plus it's giving jobs away to other countries. But why anyone would do business with a corrupt communist country like China is beyond my comprehension.

im sorry but I don’t think how business and economics work. i will keep this brief.

the main aim is to provide a cutting edge product and these savings do get passed on to the customer, especially with all the competition.

We, as customers, get a well built phone at a cheaper price from wherever it makes most economical sense to make it.


Apples decisions allowed it to grow the iPhone from inception , which then allowed it to take markershare from Nokia, Sony, Motorola etc, be the leader, setup a whole new ecosystem leading to 1000,000s of jobs with the App Store, supply chain, glass screen repair, cases, and to what entire Android ecosystem today. That’s the value they create and the benefit and jobs created are multiple fold to us as a customer in value, and jobs created by the new ecosystem thar didn’t exist before that. The manufacturing jobs you speak about are a small fraction of the new Jon’s created, which would not exist at all if you instead that phones are manufactured in the West at multiple times the cost.

Manufacturing is a small part of it, but if it foreign manufacturing meets the criteria of fair labor practices etc, the aim is to deliver value to the customer. if you manufacture it in the US,none of the above would have happened with Apple succeeding.

its like saying trying to bring the coal mines back etc, its done and we are past it. Developing countries have cheap labor, while developed are more autonomous. However, developed countries have far higher productivity and quality of life, we work less, have a higher output, and earn more real living wages today.

Next Im sure you’ll complain about machines taking jobs, but computers did the same, however the advent of computers led to more job production in the long term by 10s of millions. Why don’t you take away all the farming machines, and give all the farmers a shovel instead? you’ll create millions of jobs, but productivity and cost rises, and you will pay 10 times the cost for an apple at the supermarket, leading to the millions of people buying apples but having that much less money.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Apple needs to be ready to move out of China as soon as possible, before something really nasty happens between US and China.

Produce and assemble phones in the U.S. and UK. I would rather pay a little more and support the home team, versus China.

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

So many countries require things like the Made in India initiative. I wish the USA would do the same.

Is it bad that I'm secretly pleased every time the supply chain relies less and less on the PRC?

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Sure, as soon as you establish a system where the company and its stakeholders are not paying the price for not releasing an affordable product in a yearly manner. Capitalism and the stock market want to see growth, and plenty at that.

Nah, that is not Capitalism...That is crony Capitalism. The traditional american Capitalist system has values and ethics. I'm talking about the small business owners that make this country great. These are not money hungry crony capitalists that step on everyone and all they care is to make a profit.

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

Produce and assemble phones in the U.S. and UK. I would rather pay a little more and support the home team, versus China.

I sympathize with the sentiment. But spreading it out to countries with populations eager for this type of work should be done. That would include places like Mexico or Brazil.

I am from Michigan, and we never stopped talking about bringing back industrial jobs. But the schools aren't there. They don't teach machine tooling at a level where there is a large enough work force. People who can do these jobs are not located in prime areas together where you can build a factory.

I'm sure as more automatic fabrication takes over large parts of the supply chain, you could find industrial workers in Michigan or Sunderland who'd gladly do part of the jobs. But it would need to be less labor intensive, and I wonder if the process is anywhere near that yet.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

I sympathize with the sentiment. But spreading it out to countries with populations eager for this type of work should be done. That would include places like Mexico or Brazil.

I am from Michigan, and we never stopped talking about bringing back industrial jobs. But the schools aren't there. They don't teach machine tooling at a level where there is a large enough work force. People who can do these jobs are not located in prime areas together where you can build a factory.

I'm sure as more automatic fabrication takes over large parts of the supply chain, you could find industrial workers in Michigan or Sunderland who'd gladly do part of the jobs. But it would need to be less labor intensive, and I wonder if the process is anywhere near that yet.

If you're going to outsource your products elsewhere, at least don't go and do business with a totalitarian communist regime. I would have no issues doing business with Mexico or Brazil as you mention on your example, or countries like India. These countries don't aspire to dominate the world and enslave other nations like the chinese communists are plotting for decades now by infiltrating governmental positions in the US government and stealing IP's.

 

[masterhiggins]

This is excellent. I we move all of our manufacturing over to India.