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iPhone 11 iPhone 11 Upgrade Programme UK pricing is eyewatering
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Feel free to check my arithmetic, I’m bad at it but good at calculus, lol. Base US price iPhone 2019 Max 64 GB is $1,099
$1,099 US = 891£
891£ + 20% = 1,069£
UK price = 1,149£ Source, Macworld UK
Difference, 80£ or about 7%. Well, 7% is money, but it doesn’t seem like Apple is way out of line compared to US prices? Am I wrong?
and remember, the US prices do not include 8-10% sales tax, so you may be getting it cheaper actually.
$1,099 US = 891£
891£ + 20% = 1,069£
UK price = 1,149£ Source, Macworld UK
Difference, 80£ or about 7%. Well, 7% is money, but it doesn’t seem like Apple is way out of line compared to US prices? Am I wrong?
and remember, the US prices do not include 8-10% sales tax, so you may be getting it cheaper actually.
I started last year with unlimited everything for £20 complained about speeds issues they decided to drop my price plan down to £12 for the remaining 4 months.
Last 30 days till renewal date I decided to Haggle them on three live chat explaining to them I feel unhappy with three mates paying less each month with less minutes would like to save money on my plan and outgoings.
To be honest I got lucky with the advisor they offered me £10 600 AYCE I said make it less than £10 came back with £7 + £20 credit.
I went back in Yesterday's night and asked for another price drop due to me not using any minutes on my plan they reduced my minutes to 200 AYCE (1 Month contract) for £3.79.
I did ask for £2.00 they said NO we cannot offer you this. lol
Always ask for customer relations team and escalate your complaint.
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7% does not seem bad if the pound might crash again.
What would be bad is to apply the same hedging to the rest of Europe.
You will not getting it cheaper in Europe than the US at MSRP.
Agree, but no global company anywhere in the world can price their products according to what a single foreign currency might do in the future.
Also agree that I won’t be getting it cheaper in the UK, but if you add 7-10% sales tax to the US prices, the difference isn’t worth a pint at the pub. The state that I live in has sales tax of almost 10%.
VAT does not matter. What matters is that the tariffs are applied properly.
Hedging is not great but it can be understood if done well.
That's hilarious but also very lucky. My 12 month sim only contract is up and im due an upgrade so im getting on the phone to them now. Gonna try for £7
Hello, Leoshaun never phone up you will get nowhere go on live chat they offer more.
There are no tariffs in effect at this writing. The OP was about the +7% prices over US (without US sales tax) being eye watering.
There is no (apparent) hedging, as the prices are the same as for the X, XS. For the iPhone 11 Pro ‘Max’ the pricing is identical to the XS Max.
Now a question that I do not know the answer to. If Apple ships products directly from China to UK/EU, will they be subject to US tariffs later in December? If they never enter the US, I think maybe not, but admit that IDK.
Edit: i will add that I’m buying an iPhone 11 Pro SIM free tomorrow (if that option is offered) to ‘hedge’ my money since I’m upgrading for the camera and increased battery life anyway.
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The price without VAT would be about 7% higher.
That is the hedging.
Why would Apple import products into the US to re-export them to Europe? It is not as if they were subject to higher tariff from China there (and I doubt the US would refund the tariffs).
I doubt that it’s hedging, I assume the cost of doing business outside the US incurs some additional expense in documentation, distribution (for example UK fuel costs), etc. I’m not arguing that in the example I gave that it’s 7% more expensive in the UK, but it may be due to business costs. And again, once you add in 7-10% US sales tax, the difference in prices once you get the phone home is almost nothing.
Related to the OP, the difference in US/UK prices are almost non existent once you’re home with it, if the prices are considered ‘eye watering’, it’s just because he wants his phone much, much cheaper than the US price.
The standard 11 is about £49.56 too expensive if I worked it out properly..
$699 = £566.20
£566.20 + 20% tax = £679.44
£729 - £679.44 = £49.56
So not as bad as it seems...
$699 = £566.20
£566.20 + 20% tax = £679.44
£729 - £679.44 = £49.56
So not as bad as it seems...
Yes, business costs too. But they do hedge.
The final UK price would be at least 17% higher than in the US. Only 7% can be attributed to Apple.
Just curious, where’s the extra 10% (17% vs 7%) come from? When you pay the UK price in the UK, you’re done aren’t you?
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Well done @pojo1806 numbers tell the true story, and not IMO, ‘eye watering’.
Yes I understand that, I don’t understand how that’s relevant to the conversation unless you expect Apple to absorb VAT. Do you expect Apple to absorb VAT or tariffs that don’t apply to UK/EU?
I believe the costs include apple care + if you read the small print. Without Apple Care + it reads as:-
With iPhone Payments, you can pay for your iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro or iPhone 11 Pro Max over 20 months, completely interest-free. This option doesn’t include AppleCare+ or yearly upgrades, but your iPhone is unlocked, giving you the freedom to choose the network provider and SIM-only tariff that are best for you.
Low monthly payments.
With iPhone Payments, you can spread the cost of your new iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro or iPhone 11 Pro Max over 20 months.*
iPhone 11 Pro
64GB
£49.00per month
256GB
£56.50per month
512GB
£66.50per month
iPhone 11 Pro Max
64GB
£54.00per month
256GB
£61.50per month
512GB
£71.50per month
iPhone 11
64GB
£33.00per month
128GB
£35.50per month
256GB
£40.50per month
I was just responding to your claim that in the UK you would pay only 7% more than in the US.
When the tariffs do become effective it should have no impact on pricing outside of the US.
False!
$699 is with US taxes included, the price will be 10% lower!
$629 will be the price from China (don't tell me you want your phone to pass 2 countries taxes before it goes to you)
$629 = £503
503 x 20% = £603
729-603 = £126 YOU'RE BEING RIPPED OFF. IMO!
Maybe I'm wrong...
[doublepost=1568481200][/doublepost]Now for the iPhone 11 Pro Max 512GB
$1449 in US
$1304 will be the price in China, from where you'll get it.
$1304 = £1043
1043 x 20% = £1251
1499-1251 = £248 now that's a SCAM!
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Prices in France
809,00 € TVA et frais inclus : env. 147,00 €*.
it would be, 662 EUR, That is if you exclude 147 €,
That is around ~$740.
Price in UK
£729.00 Includes VAT of approx. £122.00.*
£607 without VAT
That is around ~$759
So generally speaking in Europe and UK, you pay anywhere between $40 to $60 more. Some of them are just hedging in currency, but also remember you do get one year extra warranty as compared to US. So this seems fair.
Compared to Hong Kong, where the official prices are simply US prices + $100 USD extra on top, due to HK not having any sales tax and sitting next to china, Apple has to bump the the price to match closer to China and lessen the effect of reselling, all while HK user not getting anything extra.
809,00 € TVA et frais inclus : env. 147,00 €*.
it would be, 662 EUR, That is if you exclude 147 €,
That is around ~$740.
Price in UK
£729.00 Includes VAT of approx. £122.00.*
£607 without VAT
That is around ~$759
So generally speaking in Europe and UK, you pay anywhere between $40 to $60 more. Some of them are just hedging in currency, but also remember you do get one year extra warranty as compared to US. So this seems fair.
Compared to Hong Kong, where the official prices are simply US prices + $100 USD extra on top, due to HK not having any sales tax and sitting next to china, Apple has to bump the the price to match closer to China and lessen the effect of reselling, all while HK user not getting anything extra.
US prices do not include tax, they can’t because it isn’t the same in every state.
Here’s a snippet of my iPhone 11 Pro billing.
Here’s a snippet of my iPhone 11 Pro billing.
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HK users get a specially made model only sold in HK and China, with dual SIM card slots instead of sim + esim.
It is NOT with taxes included in the US. You’ve been explained this too in other posts. State tax is different depending on the state. Its not a scam, it’s the cost of business, our own VAT charges, (which is included in UK prices FYI) and brexit making the pound go lower. Thank Boris rather than Apple.
I looked at it and makes more sense to go via carrier
£71 a month for pro max 256GB when mine with EE is £79 a month with 100GB of data
£71 a month for pro max 256GB when mine with EE is £79 a month with 100GB of data