Thank you. Agreed. Their 4G in my area is great, 5G is just icing on the cake for me.
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iPhone 12 Lineup's mmWave 5G Support Limited to the United States
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Comparing the US and European models you'll notice that the US includes all the same frequencies as the European one + additional ones. It's not a matter of Apple optimising based on regions because they can't support all frequencies at once. It's basically a matter of cutting cost trying to skip support frequencies in regions where they are otherwise not needed.
I find it rather stupid for such a premium device. But it is what it is I guess. At least they support 700MHz which will be the major frequency here in Norway.
AT&T also has mmWave and I am pretty sure T-Mobile has some too.
Which models support mmWave. For example, the S20 series, only the unlocked s20+ and s20Ultra support mmWave out of the box. Verizon and Samsung worked together to bring a special and unique mmWave version of the regular s20. Is it the same thing with the new iPhone 12 models? Does anyone know?
Edit: " mmWave is supported on all iPhone 12 models sold in the United States, ranging from the iPhone 12 mini to the iPhone 12 Pro Max." Cool beans. So that means with this model, if I get it, the main thing to consider is whether I need a more advanced camera or if I want to save some money and get the non-Pro variant... I may wait for a 120 Hz display.
Edit: " mmWave is supported on all iPhone 12 models sold in the United States, ranging from the iPhone 12 mini to the iPhone 12 Pro Max." Cool beans. So that means with this model, if I get it, the main thing to consider is whether I need a more advanced camera or if I want to save some money and get the non-Pro variant... I may wait for a 120 Hz display.
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5G mmWave is and will always be pointless everywhere. Coverage is like 100 meters max and with direct light of sight to antenna. There will never be significant network buildout anywhere for it to matter. In the USA is being pushed because Verizon has to sell something but 5G benefits if any are in 5G sub6.
well the iPhone supports o2’s U.K. band, but you still need to be on an o2 5G enabled plan and have reception...
Yeah. I am on an 02 sim only plan and 02 don’t separate 5g from 4g on their plans anymore.
It used to be AT&T, recently it is Verizon. And I clarify 3G is just during commuting, as soon as I get to my place or to work I get 4G.
Do you mean online mapping, because GPS doesn't require a cell signal on any phone?
Atleast we're not getting that ugly mmwave antenna cutout and possible structural weakpoint of the phone
mmwave support isn't coming here so I'm glad they left it out.
US model:
International model:
As expected, the entire iPhone 12 lineup is compatible with faster 5G networks, but Apple's website confirms that support for high-frequency mmWave bands is limited to models sold in the United States. This includes compatibility with Verizon's new 5G Ultra Wideband network, which as of today is available in 55 cities across the country.
I think it would be more accurate to say it is "available on 55 city blocks across the country."
Here's a good description of Verizon's non-mmWave nationwide 5G done by PC Magazine which detected it being tested in Chicago:
Verizon 'Nationwide' 5G Begins to Appear Ahead of iPhone 12 Launch
Verizon is filling in the gaps in its 5G network by borrowing 4G airwaves, as we may have just seen in Chicago.
Basically, they're taking the 850Mhz band that is used for 4G service and turning it over to 5G service using the DSS (Dynamic Spectrum Sharing) feature in 5G phones. It's the same thing that AT&T has done to create their 5G network. Of course, like the AT&T 5G network, the Verizon 5G DSS speed is slower than Verizon's 4G LTE:
But hey, the 5G icon lights up on your phone so it's worth it!
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From the way Verizon was pushing it, it sounds like they intend it to be used in stadiums, arenas, large controlled commercial spaces and buildings due it's short range line of sight.
Correct.... it was Google Maps.
I could see my blue dot... but I couldn't see any roads until I got into a service area.
Not really only at these spaces. I live in a quiet residential neighborhood in the Baltimore County and I was surprised, twice, to find out Baltimore had 5G and the 5G mmWave is actually available. A block before my home (#fml), but still in a residential neighborhood. The closest to such venues is the State Fairgrounds maybe 3/4 of a mile from here, but much farther away than the two blocks the mmWave antenna is mounted at from me.
This is because North Carolinians who live in the Smokies dont want to see their mountain top views full of antennas, just leave it natural and leave your stupid phone in the car or at home.
i am deeply disappointed. the apple i knew was destroyed merely in minutes. not sure whether having the Verizon guy delivering his marketing pitch is part of the apple revenue plan, but i was shocked to hear the phrase '5G' more than 100 times during this 1hr long show.
it's not a thing now, especially not with mmWave. you can't do much with 4Gbps download speeds. you don't need multi-gigabit connectivity to stream a movie in HDR. you don't need it to pass 3d model data, textures and positioning info to another phone. you don't need 5G for AR, as all the calculations happen on the phone in real time. and you definitely don't need stuff like this to download a 10ish MB skin for your LoL character. and i bet apple music will not sound any better when on 5G
hell, mm wave effectively renders mobile devices stationary otherwise it will not work.
Apple brought a hunk of great deal tech to these devices, the first time ever i felt that iPhone pro deserves its 'pro' suffix. despite the pretty dumb '4x improvement in drop test' the ceramic infused glass is again a great engineering feat, A14 is a beast, and i could go on - but everything is overshadowed by this overly dumb and simplified 5G-hype machine.
5GNR is a great stuff, but things are not just about the 'air interface' between the phone and the basestation. so far the killer application for 5G is "speedtest" and I have hard time to believe it's usefulness. 5G in the mid and low band will enable operators to deliver LTE like performance to more customers at the same time, to utilise the available spectrum more efficiently.
Apple was always mixing tech with usability, focusing on the 'human' part, but this 5G-marketing-wankery left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth.
stop this number-war. please.
it's not a thing now, especially not with mmWave. you can't do much with 4Gbps download speeds. you don't need multi-gigabit connectivity to stream a movie in HDR. you don't need it to pass 3d model data, textures and positioning info to another phone. you don't need 5G for AR, as all the calculations happen on the phone in real time. and you definitely don't need stuff like this to download a 10ish MB skin for your LoL character. and i bet apple music will not sound any better when on 5G
hell, mm wave effectively renders mobile devices stationary otherwise it will not work.
Apple brought a hunk of great deal tech to these devices, the first time ever i felt that iPhone pro deserves its 'pro' suffix. despite the pretty dumb '4x improvement in drop test' the ceramic infused glass is again a great engineering feat, A14 is a beast, and i could go on - but everything is overshadowed by this overly dumb and simplified 5G-hype machine.
5GNR is a great stuff, but things are not just about the 'air interface' between the phone and the basestation. so far the killer application for 5G is "speedtest" and I have hard time to believe it's usefulness. 5G in the mid and low band will enable operators to deliver LTE like performance to more customers at the same time, to utilise the available spectrum more efficiently.
Apple was always mixing tech with usability, focusing on the 'human' part, but this 5G-marketing-wankery left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth.
stop this number-war. please.
It's called "ideal conditions"...
mmWave 5G is literally a WiFi hotspot. We all know how finicky WiFi can be. Walls destroy it and it’s got very short range.
My prediction is carriers will drop mmWave 5G. Maybe they’ll keep it in stadiums and airports but that’s it. The dreams of implementing it in downtown rural areas just isn’t feasible.
My prediction is carriers will drop mmWave 5G. Maybe they’ll keep it in stadiums and airports but that’s it. The dreams of implementing it in downtown rural areas just isn’t feasible.
You'd probably be better of with a WiFi 6 router in your house and a fast internet connection anyway.