USA prices are without tax, EU prices are include tax, import duties, fees, etc. Plus we get a whopping better warranty.
so we pay the same, for a hell of a lot more
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iPhone 12 Lineup's mmWave 5G Support Limited to the United States
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USA prices are without tax, EU prices are include tax, import duties, fees, etc. Plus we get a whopping better warranty.
so we pay the same, for a hell of a lot more
Without 5G this is not really a worthwhile upgrade from an 11 Pro Max in the UK. The LiDAR scanner is cool, I'm hoping someone does an app where you can put your phone into one of the cheap phone VR helmet holders and use it for night vision goggles via LiDAR scanning. Not sure if that's worth the price though...
In low bands with a similar antenna set up on the tower and assuming spectrum is dedicated to 5G, it provides about a 20% increase in overall network capacity, plus a reduction in latency compared to 4G.
Crazy 5G speeds come into play when larger chunks of wireless spectrum are utilized for it. The problem is that those kinds of open spectrum chunks are only available in higher frequencies. The issue of course is that the higher the frequency, the lower the signal propagation characteristics. So you can have higher speeds but at the cost of reduced coverage.
Well, given its limited deployment, it hardly even matters to Verizon customers 😄
Eventually, most carriers will deploy some mmWave but it will mostly be done in specific locations which can get around its problematic signal coverage issues. It will also probably be used for fixed wireless broadband applications where you have the option of placing the antenna in the most optimal, but fixed location somewhere around your house.
You're right to be disappointed. All the US national carriers have oversold the current state of 5G, T-Mobile included. Their widely advertised 5G network also relies mostly on low-band 600Mhz frequency right now. The range is good, it works indoors, but speed is not much different than 4G. The key for T-Mobile is they have started to launch mid-band 5G in the 2.5Ghz band using spectrum that they got from Sprint, which had a ton of it. Verizon and AT&T have very little mid-band available to them. Mid-band 5G is not as fast as the ultra high-band mmWave 5G but significantly faster than low-band 5G or 4G LTE. Mid-band frequency is what almost all other countries besides the USA are using for their 5G, the US didn't because that spectrum was already being used. However, the mid-band spectrum is being cleared and will be auctioned next year - the assumption is Verizon and AT&T will be very active in those auctions (they're also petitioning the FCC to prevent T-Mobile from acquiring more spectrum on the grounds that T-Mobile already has too much).
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I barely see 4G let alone 5G, I mean it says 4G but the speeds are the same as HSPA+ that I was getting in 2012, so I know It isn't 4G.
Different governing bodies cut up and sell off different parts of the spectrum to different companies in different countries. That's why we had to have Quadband GSM phones to be able to use your phone anywhere in the world. There were 4 different frequency ranges a country's cell phone network could have been on.
Not much has improved/changed since then.
It’s their lost. They should’ve gone the Apple way, ask for subsidies from Verizon, and still sell iPhones at higher prices but with less features outside the US. Can’t beat Apple’s brilliance in business....
It's real, just not widespread by any means, and not necessarily to the fullest capacity of what it can be capable of yet.Remember, kids, 5G is only a marketing slogan, it is not yet real. Maybe after 2-3 years it will be a thing to be desired worldwide.
So do we have a "quadband" 5G here so it works every where or what? Is the iPhone 12 going to have 5G outside of US?
This is good info!
I had no idea there were 3 bands being used for 5G (low, mid, mm Wave).
So last year I got to test drive a hot spot for free from T Mobile that claimed it was using 600Mhz.
Last December, it was very slow using that hotspot and I am in urban Los Angeles County....
Since there are more than one band of frequencies to use for 5G, how does the phone switch between them ??
Apple's only doing this to boost it's cash flow.
If Apple releases this,, most can't use 5G, so where will that end up ?
Possible lawsuits over something Apple just wants to set it's sites on which they cannot provide globally?
Wait until more countries offer 5G, then roll this out. But don't just use it for your own personal profit gain as "We are the first to offer 5G" (ya, except no one will be able to use it world wide)
At least while we wait, we can use other features locally. Apple may have a future yet.
If Apple releases this,, most can't use 5G, so where will that end up ?
Possible lawsuits over something Apple just wants to set it's sites on which they cannot provide globally?
Wait until more countries offer 5G, then roll this out. But don't just use it for your own personal profit gain as "We are the first to offer 5G" (ya, except no one will be able to use it world wide)
At least while we wait, we can use other features locally. Apple may have a future yet.
I wonder if this would be worth getting from the states for future use in the coming 2-5 years in europe?
On the other hand there will probably be their own turbocharged 5G modems next year with 120 hz display in tow. So why upgrade today? And so the cycle continues.. next year I get cool feature X. Every time.. 😂
On the other hand there will probably be their own turbocharged 5G modems next year with 120 hz display in tow. So why upgrade today? And so the cycle continues.. next year I get cool feature X. Every time.. 😂
I had to stand on a sidewalk to get this speed. Does a phone really need these crazily insane fast speeds?
Is there any truth to the rumour that having 5G 'on' uses less battery for iPhone models outside of the US which don't have mmWave?
Yes that would make sense as mm Wave modem uses a lot of battery power.
Most of the lower frequency 5G is the mid and low frequencies which have longer range than the ultra short mm Wave towers.
So it makes sense if there are no mm Wave towers, that the modem does not need as much battery power to run it.
This is better then seeing a real life UFO
for some of us speed test addicts . To answer the question yes it is , because it basically free's you from ever depending on fiber optics if you have supported gadgets with 5g and the coverage.