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Thank you, Apple spokespiece. I don't speak for the entire market and neither do you.
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Ah, and here is the other Apple spokespiece. Thank you for your contribution. Tim approves.
The article is discussing the insane number of potential units that Apple may sell for the iphone 12. When you say "we", you do not speak for me, apparently not for @citysnaps either. If nothing in the iphone piques your interest, perfect, then don't buy it.

But I am interested in the iphone 12 pro max. I can't speak for anyone else.

Throwing around some thinly veiled insults doesn't help the veracity of your post.
 
Money could start growing on tree's too... I realize this is a rumors site but sometimes... ugh...

As a direct Apple shareholder, however, boost that stock all day every day!
 
79.999.999! With notch and no 120hz no deal with me. Woul'd love to buy a pro max but remain with my 6s plus until they change they'r mind. Even if it takes 2 or 3 more years to get something like that from apple.

If you do read this Apple: Just create an Iphone withe the design of the ipad pro - no need for a total frameless phone. 6 inch is more than enough. Let it stay for few years (beside the yearly technologigal upgrades) - there can't be a better look for that device...
 
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Apple's more affordable pricing strategy😂, I hope this is a joke...What an amazing strategy!
 
The article is discussing the insane number of potential units that Apple may sell for the iphone 12. When you say "we", you do not speak for me, apparently not for @citysnaps either. If nothing in the iphone piques your interest, perfect, then don't buy it.

But I am interested in the iphone 12 pro max. I can't speak for anyone else.

Throwing around some thinly veiled insults doesn't help the veracity of your post.

Clearly when I say "we" I refer primarily to disgruntled technophiles (by now I hope regular users too) who have grown weary of waiting for ProMotion, no Notch, USB-C, bigger and not smaller batteries etc, BUT need a new iPhone anyway and are too invested in Apple's ecosystem and UX to jump ship.

Please. There's no insult in that. The entire macrumors cast and crew know by now that I'm going to be addressing shortcomings in new products, and you are going to defend them at every turn.

I think we're destined to do this forever ;)

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Clearly when I say "we" I refer primarily to disgruntled technophiles (by now I hope regular users too) who have grown weary of waiting for ProMotion, no Notch, USB-C, bigger and not smaller batteries etc, BUT need a new iPhone anyway and are too invested in Apple's ecosystem and UX to jump ship.
So that clarifies that "we" refers to disgruntled technophiles, however many there are of them. o_O

Please. There's no insult in that. The entire macrumors cast and crew know by now that I'm going to be addressing shortcomings in new products, and you are going to defend them at every turn.
"Ah, and here is the other Apple spokespiece. Thank you for your contribution. Tim approves". The preceding seems to be "poking the bear" so to speak (I am not the bear).

You definitely should address shortcomings as you subjectively see them. And if you criticize those short-comings at every turn, why can't one defend the same at every turn?

I think we're destined to do this forever ;)....
Forever is a long time. :(
 
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"Ah, and here is the other Apple spokespiece. Thank you for your contribution. Tim approves". The preceding seems to be "poking the bear" so to speak (I am not the bear).

Engaging in sideways insults and ad hominems such as the above, is acknowledgment a poster is out of gas with respect to offering thoughtful criticism.


You definitely should address shortcomings as you subjectively see them.

Spot on with respect to the above bolded text. Also...casting oneself as the arbiter of shortcomings, or that others are (seemingly) not "technophiles" (I am, as I know you are) is very presumptuous.
 
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Shipments != Sales !

"iPhone 12" Unit Sales will probably come in @ 30M units OR so during Apple's 1Q21; total iPhone Unit Sales will probably come in @ 55M units, however, just like the last two years.

The reduced-Price iPhone 11 will probably sell much better then either of the two "Pro" iPhone 12 models !

ONLY the two lower-priced iPhone 12 models have any real chance of being a BIG market success.

For 4Q20, my money is on the $699 USD iPhone 12 mini taking Pole Position, followed by the reduced-Price $599 USD iPhone 11 right behind it !

And, this just follows the trend that Apple has seen post-iPhone X.

It's NOT Rocket Science, Cook & Co moved the iPhone product line too far UP-Market !

And, let us NOT forget, we'll be doing this ALL over again this time next year !

5G is NOT ready for Prime Time, so that is working against Apple.

It needs another year.

The "mini" is the perfect ONE YEAR lease option for those looking to jump in now.

The reduced-Priced iPhone 11 is a fantastic Fallback option !

iPhone 12 mini vs iPhone 11 vs Sit Out for another year ???
 
What's bad news?

I have no idea. I'm going by Apple's own statements. They removed the earpods and charger from this years' phones due to their impact on the environment. Surely if the charger and earpods have a negative effect on the environment then the entire phone will have even more impact. And this story says there will be 80 million of the phones sold by the end of the year.
 
I have no idea. I'm going by Apple's own statements. They removed the earpods and charger from this years' phones due to their impact on the environment. Surely if the charger and earpods have a negative effect on the environment then the entire phone will have even more impact. And this story says there will be 80 million of the phones sold by the end of the year.
Oh I see what you are saying. Manufacturing Samsung Note 20 is actually worse for the environment. Manufacturing plastic water bottles is bad for the environment. Manufacturing cars are bad for the environment.

Because we know that the release of harmful chemicals are bad for the environment, you are suggesting Apple is saying we stop acknowledging that and not do anything about it. I think that is totally not what Apple is saying.
 
Oh I see what you are saying. Manufacturing Samsung Note 20 is actually worse for the environment. Manufacturing plastic water bottles is bad for the environment. Manufacturing cars are bad for the environment.

Because we know that the release of harmful chemicals are bad for the environment, you are suggesting Apple is saying we stop acknowledging that and not do anything about it. I think that is totally not what Apple is saying.

No. Apple said that manufacturing millions of things is bad for the environment. But their concern for that environmental impact ends when it impacts their bottom line. Hence they stopped including accessories, which actually saves them money, but will still sell 80 million smartphones.
 
No. Apple said that manufacturing millions of things is bad for the environment. But their concern for that environmental impact ends when it impacts their bottom line. Hence they stopped including accessories, which actually saves them money, but will still sell 80 million smartphones.
You are making an assumption about things.

Apple is under no obligation to give away anything, reduce their price on anything etc.

My interpretation is Apple did an analysis and rather than raising the price of the new iphones and inconveniencing the customer, they decided on something much broader and innovative. Kill two birds with one stone by keeping the price consistent with the prior year and reduce e-waste. Win-win.

What you are making an assumption about is that "concern for that environmental impact ends when it impacts their bottom line." Hence they stopped including accessories as to not raise the price of the iphone and save a bit for the environment.
 
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Seems like wishful thinking considering the global economy is depressed, teenagers that are likely to upgrade have no need to since they're remote learning so no need to flash they have the latest, phone is too similar to previous year's modem and a bunch of competing products like new consoles, CPUs, GPUs, etc. are competing for limited discretionary income.
You mean the parents are likely to not be upgrading....
 
I have no idea. I'm going by Apple's own statements. They removed the earpods and charger from this years' phones due to their impact on the environment. Surely if the charger and earpods have a negative effect on the environment then the entire phone will have even more impact. And this story says there will be 80 million of the phones sold by the end of the year.
The story says they may sell that many, they have no clue how many will be sold...
 
Shipments != Sales !

"iPhone 12" Unit Sales will probably come in @ 30M units OR so during Apple's 1Q21; total iPhone Unit Sales will probably come in @ 55M units, however, just like the last two years.
It’s true. We won’t know for a while who wins the “how many iPhones did apple sell” bet.
The reduced-Price iPhone 11 will probably sell much better then either of the two "Pro" iPhone 12 models !
Yep, seems obvious to me as well.
ONLY the two lower-priced iPhone 12 models have any real chance of being a BIG market success.
Sure, BIG market success as opposed to small market success?
For 4Q20, my money is on the $699 USD iPhone 12 mini taking Pole Position, followed by the reduced-Price $599 USD iPhone 11 right behind it !

And, this just follows the trend that Apple has seen post-iPhone X.
So less expensive sells more than “more expensive?”
It's NOT Rocket Science, Cook & Co moved the iPhone product line too far UP-Market !
We were on a roll until this. Nope, cook and con hit the nail on the head. If the phone is out of ones reach, don’t buy it or get a less expensive android.
And, let us NOT forget, we'll be doing this ALL over again this time next year !
I’ll keep it in the back of my mind.
5G is NOT ready for Prime Time, so that is working against Apple.


It needs another year.
No, it’s not working against apple at all. I think it’s working in their favor.
The "mini" is the perfect ONE YEAR lease option for those looking to jump in now.

The reduced-Priced iPhone 11 is a fantastic Fallback option !

iPhone 12 mini vs iPhone 11 vs Sit Out for another year ???
Mini is a great option as is the reduced iPhone 11 price.
 
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