I was almost sure it was in the announcement. I need to find that live blog summary.
EDIT: Guess not. Just mentions that Pro can record 10-bit HDR
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iPhone 12 vs. iPhone 12 Pro Buyer's Guide
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EDIT: Guess not. Just mentions that Pro can record 10-bit HDR
I was very much leaning towards the regular 12 but with the $120 price difference between the 128GB version and the 128 Pro, I'm leaning towards the Pro now. T-Mobile is going to give me $415 for my XR which brings the monthly cost down to $24 for the Pro, $5 more per month than the regular 12. I think the $5 per month extra is worth it for a phone I will be holding onto for 2-3 years
So the way I understand it is each lens has its own sensor. Put very simply, a camera sensor is what takes the light that passes through the lens and turns it into an image the phone can use. The short answer to your question is "no". Just because one of the sensors is larger doesn't mean it improves all three lenses.
The wide lens (I assume this is the main one you're talking about) has a sensor that is larger on the Pro Max than it is on the Pro, and features sensor shift image stabilization, which should help in low-light situations. Again, this ONLY helps the performance of the WIDE camera. The main sensor on the 12 and the 12 Pro I believe is the same, but the 12 Pro has dual optical image stabilization (OIS, where the lens moves to keep the shot steady), while the 12 has single OIS. There are a lot of nuances between the camera systems in the models, and to be honest, I don't think we'll truly know the difference in performance between them until third parties do real testing.
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Okay, so how much more light does the wide lens get on the Pro Max vs the Pro? Bigger pixels too, correct? Realistically speaking just how much better is the main camera going to be on the Pro Max vs Pro.
EDIT: Thanks for the response, Fuji. I’ve currently got the 11 Pro. I can’t imagine going back to that huge size of a Max (as when I did on an 8 Plus). But if it’s going to be a significant upgrade on the Max’s main lens, it’s something I have to consider. I take a lot of photos, the camera is the only reason I upgrade year to year.
EDIT: Thanks for the response, Fuji. I’ve currently got the 11 Pro. I can’t imagine going back to that huge size of a Max (as when I did on an 8 Plus). But if it’s going to be a significant upgrade on the Max’s main lens, it’s something I have to consider. I take a lot of photos, the camera is the only reason I upgrade year to year.
WRONG! The iPhone 12 starts at $829 (SIM-free, T-Mobile, Sprint) and $799 with a $30 discount for some (two) carriers.
You've bought into Apple's deception--trying to make the $130 price hike seem less.
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Yes. 47% larger than the 12 Pro, 12, and 11 Pro. This has a pretty good breakdown: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/14/21515158/iphone-12-pro-max-best-camera-biggest-phone
Fuji has this right: 3 sensors, one for each lens: Ultra Wide, Wide and Tele.
12 Pro Max has a 47% larger sensor for the Wide lens.
12 Pro (regular and max) both have sensor-shift stabilization for the Wide and Tele sensors. This allows the sensor to move to counter camera movemnt (vibration, etc.). This is called a "dual-optical" stabilization because there is stabilization in both the lenses _and_ and sensors.
"vain"? Why be nasty? Some people will utilize those "unique" features. I will definitely use every bit of camera in the Pro Max... including ProRAW when it's released. If the phone isn't for you, then just move on and let the rest of us talk about why we're buying them.
Wait, is this true? I read the information to mean that only the wide camera sensor on the Pro Max featured sensor stabilization, but I would happy if I'm wrong about this
I guess this is just what it comes down to for me, just how much better that larger sensor is going to translate in photographs. I’d prefer to remain with the sizing of a Pro, mainly due to pocketability. But if it is that significant, it kind of forces my hand to go with the Max.
Wait, is this true? I read the information to mean that only the wide camera sensor on the Pro Max featured sensor stabilization, but I would happy if I'm wrong about this
From: https://www.apple.com/iphone-12-pro/specs/
"Dual optical image stabilization (Wide and Telephoto)"
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@FujiLingo it wouldn't make sense to put it on the wide and leave it off the tele... the Tele is where it's really needed most! ;-)
Uhhh actually drzen is right... The Pro Max tele is worse in low-light than the Pro is because of (1) max aperture difference between f/2.0 and f/2.2 and (2) focal length difference between 65mm and 52mm. The shorter the focal length, the slower the shutter speed you can get away with to still get a crisp photo without camera shake.
Wow. This makes the decision go more in favor of the Pro over the Pro Max for me. I was pretty much sold on the Pro Max, but if the only true benefit to the Max is just the larger sensor and slightly different telephoto, I might have to reconsider.
Ahhh way to make me come crashing back down to reality! Looks like I'm going with the Max again...
Also, that screenshot doesn't make it clear whether sensor stabilization will be on the telephoto. I hope that it is.
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I believe the iPhone 11 Pro has a 52mm f/2.0 telephoto lens. That's exactly the same one that's on the iPhone 12 Pro. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I feel like I may be in the minority, but I think the Pro’s Pacific Blue color is much more appealing than the standard iPhone 12 blue.
Gonna go slightly OT here:
Any idea how much of a discount we can expect on the 11 Pro once the 12 is out? (I realize they won’t be available @ the Apple Store.)
Given the shrinking price differentials between models, it’s actually getting pretty hard to choose. For 256GB, the Mini is $879, 12 Pro $1099... If the 11 Pro shows up at sub-$800 prices it would be pretty compelling. (I’m coming from a 6S, so any of these phones will be paradise to me.)
Seems like it was easier NOT to buy a Pro last year, but with the difference being only $100-$200ish from the standard 12/Mini, the tele lens and LiDAR are a lot more tempting.
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Any idea how much of a discount we can expect on the 11 Pro once the 12 is out? (I realize they won’t be available @ the Apple Store.)
Given the shrinking price differentials between models, it’s actually getting pretty hard to choose. For 256GB, the Mini is $879, 12 Pro $1099... If the 11 Pro shows up at sub-$800 prices it would be pretty compelling. (I’m coming from a 6S, so any of these phones will be paradise to me.)
Seems like it was easier NOT to buy a Pro last year, but with the difference being only $100-$200ish from the standard 12/Mini, the tele lens and LiDAR are a lot more tempting.
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I think the difference is the Tele and Ultra Wide can do Night Mode now...?
Currently have iPhone 11 128Gb on IUP in UK, deciding what to do. Will definitely be a 12 or 12 Pro at 128Gb
So 12 (price increase from last year), goes to £46.45, 12 Pro £56.45.
Without seeing the colours in the flesh I prefer the blue of the 12 I think, and I think I want blue this year.
Next year I’ll probably do IUP again unless decide nothing new. I am this year as want OLED.
Just not sure on what to do. Not really impressed with the wide camera as goes fisheye to me so don’t use much. I’m not a professional at all, but do take lots of pics and vids all with my iPhone.
I’d much rather have a zoom, although can’t remember if a x2 is any different in real use?
So 12 (price increase from last year), goes to £46.45, 12 Pro £56.45.
Without seeing the colours in the flesh I prefer the blue of the 12 I think, and I think I want blue this year.
Next year I’ll probably do IUP again unless decide nothing new. I am this year as want OLED.
Just not sure on what to do. Not really impressed with the wide camera as goes fisheye to me so don’t use much. I’m not a professional at all, but do take lots of pics and vids all with my iPhone.
I’d much rather have a zoom, although can’t remember if a x2 is any different in real use?
But that's only on the ultra-wide camera.
Frankly, and assuming sensor-OIS is substantially better than lens-OIS, I'd rather have that on the wide and telephoto sensors, as camera shake is more detrimental at longer focal lengths.
EDIT: I made a mistake. sensor-OIS is on the wide sensor, not the ultra-wide sensor.
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Two days ago I pretty much had my mind made up for the Pro Max, mostly for the larger display and battery. Yesterday, thinking about its size and usability, and coming from an iPhone X, I decided to create a mockup out of wood, and carry it around for a few hours as if it was a real phone. An experiment.
Based on that, I decided to get the regular 12 Pro. For me, the Pro Max was a little too unwieldy. And the 12 Pro being about the same size as my X, will work just fine.
Based on that, I decided to get the regular 12 Pro. For me, the Pro Max was a little too unwieldy. And the 12 Pro being about the same size as my X, will work just fine.
It’s a good point. I found that at first glance, one fixates on the first words ‘aerospace-grade and ‘surgical-grade’... and would assume that ‘aerospace-grade’ would trounce anything else... and then you re-read it... 🙄
