iPhone 13 Models Again Rumored to Support Faster Wi-Fi 6E

[827538]

Oh, I didn’t know the .ax protocol is available on the 2.4GHz band spectrum. That’s a relief and with that, I don’t think I’ll need much more, because in that house, the Internet speed is not greater than 100Mbps.

Yeh it was strange how .ac was not included on the 2.4GHz band. .ax covers all bands.

 

[XRM473]

At least they're kicking along the technology. Apple's market share gives much certainty for manufacturers to get on with it and competition does the rest.

 

[MacBH928]

You can buy both a 6E router today and 6E devices.
By Q4 of 2021 nearly all my devices could be 6E, iPhone, MacBook, AP.

Right? Getting tired of people acting like 6E is some future concept. Routers and pc cards already exist, and huge amount of new devices and laptops in 2021 will all have it. It's silly to buy wi-fi 802.11ac tech which is essentially 7-8 years old at this point.

Sure if you will upgrade your whole house tech. its possible, but even the newly released iphone 12 does not have 6E Wifi. Think of all the tvs, ipads, computers, consoles...etc like PS5 I don't think it has 6E

 

[827538]

Sure if you will upgrade your whole house tech. its possible, but even the newly released iphone 12 does not have 6E Wifi. Think of all the tvs, ipads, computers, consoles...etc like PS5 I don't think it has 6E

No but if they have .ax they will all be playing nice together and getting the benefits of it.

The only devices I'll own that aren't WiFi 6/E will be my Apple Watch which bizarrely only supports .n and my HomePod.

iPhone, Macbook, PS5 (although it will be wired) will all be .ax and it won't be long until my Apple Watch also supports it.

 

[0924487]

Most latency happen on the carrier network and the backbone. But it’s not that interesting and marketable to optimize those, I guess.

 

[827538]

Most latency happen on the carrier network and the backbone. But it’s not that interesting and marketable to optimize those, I guess.

5G does a lot to reduce latency. As a former networking engineer I can say 6E goes a long way to solving congestion issues, especially in places like airports and stadiums. You're right that a base amount of latency really depends on your distance/hops to the nearest IXP, but a lot of latency can be caused by congested WiFi.

Personally I hardwire everything possible but for devices like iPhones and MacBooks I need the best possible WiFi.

 

[MacBH928]

5G does a lot to reduce latency. As a former networking engineer I can say 6E goes a long way to solving congestion issues, especially in places like airports and stadiums. You're right that a base amount of latency really depends on your distance/hops to the nearest IXP, but a lot of latency can be caused by congested WiFi.

Personally I hardwire everything possible but for devices like iPhones and MacBooks I need the best possible WiFi.

if you are a network engineer and have the best Wifi, what you recommend for a home router? does brand matter?

 

[827538]

if you are a network engineer and have the best Wifi, what you recommend for a home router? does brand matter?

So many factors and I was a netops engineer, now I mainly focus on investing.

If budget is not really a concern I'd build a dedicated Ubiquiti setup with separate modem, router, PoE switch, and AP's all configured properly but that's probably not what you are after and requires a bit of networking knowledge.

For home users, right now, if it was my money and I wasn't waiting for the incoming 6E routers.
Probably an Asus RT-AX86U running WRT-Merlin firmware (the firmware release for this particular router is still in beta).

Usually I look at chipset, Qualcomm vs Broadcom etc, number of antennas for each band e.g. 2x2 on 2.4GHz or 4x4. Firmware plays a big role, stability is what it is all about. That's what I like about Merlin's firmware. Not interested in useless feature bloat, just rock solid firmware with enough control to then set and forget. Also supports WPA 3.

 

[MacBH928]

So many factors and I was a netops engineer, now I mainly focus on investing.

If budget is not really a concern I'd build a dedicated Ubiquiti setup with separate modem, router, PoE switch, and AP's all configured properly but that's probably not what you are after and requires a bit of networking knowledge.

For home users, right now, if it was my money and I wasn't waiting for the incoming 6E routers.
Probably an Asus RT-AX86U running WRT-Merlin firmware (the firmware release for this particular router is still in beta).

Usually I look at chipset, Qualcomm vs Broadcom etc, number of antennas for each band e.g. 2x2 on 2.4GHz or 4x4. Firmware plays a big role, stability is what it is all about. That's what I like about Merlin's firmware. Not interested in useless feature bloat, just rock solid firmware with enough control to then set and forget. Also supports WPA 3.

interesting I thought the Merlin firmware is the like the beta firmware for ASUS where they see what picks up over there and implement it on the official one. I am looking for a mesh-system and unfortunately Merlin does not support the ZenWifi.

What do you think of Netgear?

 

[MarkAtl]

Dinosaur technology.

A dinosaur that roars though.

If a house is wired with coax you can put adapters on both ends and easily get 700mbps with low latency. Where I use it in my house the coax is just a transmission medium.

 

[Hammerd]

sweet. Nice to hear webpages might load in .4 seconds instead of .44 on the next iphone.

This is pure sarcasm and not true. It’s very usual for some pages to takes seconds. When you will be able to browse the web as fast as browing into your local file explorer then you will just wonder how you could do without it befoee

 

[Hammerd]

I'm here reading all the idiot comments from people living in BFE with two neighbors talking about about more speed being pointless 😂 Y'all missing the point...

It's about the f*&k!ng interference - Those of us that live in congested places - You know, that thing called a "city" with high rises 😂
I have two high rise apartments next to my townhouse and about ~120 WIFI nodes appearing. Getting 2.4Ghz one room away in my apartment is nearly impossible with my 2 year old $400 router. Yeah, I've tried everything... 5GHZ is slowly becoming congested as well and is no longer providing consistent connections, much less speed. My BF can't get a connection to hold across his townhouse 2 rooms away for the same reasons.

This allows better connections in congested areas and consistent performance. Yes, your pron will download faster now with your 500Mbps connections but that's not always the point 🤣😂

with all due respect you most likely did not try mesh wifi (netgear orbi for example)
But before spending that kind of money you should use a wifi scanner to determine what channel is the less saturated and try switching to 802.11n instead of b/g/n for 2.4ghz, try 80mhz wide 5ghz as well at a channel number bigger than 100, try a trustworthy repeater like tplink re650 (or better if you can afford it) which will be placed a room away from the router..
The router must be placed in the middle of your housing.
On a side note the materials that block neighborhood wifi signals the best are reinforced concrete, metal plates (i.e. elevator cage), and mirrors (you can try adding some to your house, it also makes room appear larger and look lovely).

 

[sundragon]

with all due respect you most likely did not try mesh wifi (netgear orbi for example)
But before spending that kind of money you should use a wifi scanner to determine what channel is the less saturated and try switching to 802.11n instead of b/g/n for 2.4ghz, try 80mhz wide 5ghz as well at a channel number bigger than 100, try a trustworthy repeater like tplink re650 (or better if you can afford it) which will be placed a room away from the router..
The router must be placed in the middle of your housing.
On a side note the materials that block neighborhood wifi signals the best are reinforced concrete, metal plates (i.e. elevator cage), and mirrors (you can try adding some to your house, it also makes room appear larger and look lovely).

I appreciate you taking the time to write such a detailed answer.

1. I have used a wifi scanner, like literally since 2011, to make sure I'm not using the same channel as a neighbor... If you saw what I see you'd realize 2.4 is a lost cause. Why? No matter what channel I select, and I've TRIED, 2.4 GHZ doesn't work on any channel even when I am a few feet away. Understand that I'm not exaggerating when I say this. My router is now a $300 router that gets great reviews and was nearly $400 when I bought it.
2. That being said, 5Ghz does work nearly to the farthest reaches of my apartment, after a few walls and it's pokey at best if I'm lucky. I just switched channels on the 5Ghz on Monday because it became weirdly inconsistent - Something I've gotten used to seeing. Turned on the wifi scanner and low and behold a neighbor has a new router and it's on the same channel. I switched and it started working again.
3. I thought I made it clear above, I live in an apartment, not a palace, this is the city and space is expensive. I can see a good part the entire apartment from the middle... putting 5 mesh units inside a literal box is kind of stupid and overkill... "why do you have a mesh unit occupying every plug in the two rooms???" 😂🤣 It would be better to just drop cable and directly connect... I will tread water till for one more year and see what products are available.

 

[haykong]

I appreciate you taking the time to write such a detailed answer.

1. I have used a wifi scanner, like literally since 2011, to make sure I'm not using the same channel as a neighbor... If you saw what I see you'd realize 2.4 is a lost cause. Why? No matter what channel I select, and I've TRIED, 2.4 GHZ doesn't work on any channel even when I am a few feet away. Understand that I'm not exaggerating when I say this. My router is now a $300 router that gets great reviews and was nearly $400 when I bought it.
2. That being said, 5Ghz does work nearly to the farthest reaches of my apartment, after a few walls and it's pokey at best if I'm lucky. I just switched channels on the 5Ghz on Monday because it became weirdly inconsistent - Something I've gotten used to seeing. Turned on the wifi scanner and low and behold a neighbor has a new router and it's on the same channel. I switched and it started working again.
3. I thought I made it clear above, I live in an apartment, not a palace, this is the city and space is expensive. I can see a good part the entire apartment from the middle... putting 5 mesh units inside a literal box is kind of stupid and overkill... "why do you have a mesh unit occupying every plug in the two rooms???" 😂🤣 It would be better to just drop cable and directly connect... I will tread water till for one more year and see what products are available.

oh hey Sundragon, Yes I agree sticking a mesh network in an apartment that's crowded is just a bad ideal since these days people think that Mesh is the IN THING and don't have much of an understanding of Wifi Networks.

As a suggestion and pretty much the best thing you can do in a New City Apartment is get a either a used Ruckus AP such as Ruckus R610/R710.. R610 has over 500+ different antenna patterns to get your data to your device or the R710 has over 3000+ different antenna patterns. Both are 802.11ac Wave 2 APs. Note it supports DFS channels and has an intelligent channelFly system. Ruckus is enterprise Wifi Gear. Load Ruckus Unleashed firmware and you are set. No support contracts needed for using Unleashed firmware.

Here's a video the further understand about Ruckus Adaptive antenna which will help you more than any consumer Wifi Router/AP.

Ruckus is one of the best Enterprise Wifi gear that handles wifi inference and high density situations.

I've been deploying Ruckus APs since 2014 and only recently started recommending friends and family and people online in getting used Ruckus APs. Used Ruckus R610 are on average $150 on ebay and can get them as low as $99 each towards the end of the year when large companies upgrade to Wifi 6. R710 on average are about $200.

Anyway if you have any questions let me know..

And don't even both with Unifi APs since they are just prosumer APs with standard Antenna designs and their firmware is horrible if you don't mind the up and down development.

 

[827538]

oh hey Sundragon, Yes I agree sticking a mesh network in an apartment that's crowded is just a bad ideal since these days people think that Mesh is the IN THING and don't have much of an understanding of Wifi Networks.

As a suggestion and pretty much the best thing you can do in a New City Apartment is get a either a used Ruckus AP such as Ruckus R610/R710.. R610 has over 500+ different antenna patterns to get your data to your device or the R710 has over 3000+ different antenna patterns. Both are 802.11ac Wave 2 APs. Note it supports DFS channels and has an intelligent channelFly system. Ruckus is enterprise Wifi Gear. Load Ruckus Unleashed firmware and you are set. No support contracts needed for using Unleashed firmware.

Here's a video the further understand about Ruckus Adaptive antenna which will help you more than any consumer Wifi Router/AP.

Ruckus is one of the best Enterprise Wifi gear that handles wifi inference and high density situations.

I've been deploying Ruckus APs since 2014 and only recently started recommending friends and family and people online in getting used Ruckus APs. Used Ruckus R610 are on average $150 on ebay and can get them as low as $99 each towards the end of the year when large companies upgrade to Wifi 6. R710 on average are about $200.

Anyway if you have any questions let me know..

And don't even both with Unifi APs since they are just prosumer APs with standard Antenna designs and their firmware is horrible if you don't mind the up and down development.

+1 for Ruckus. I have a lot of experience with Cisco, Ubiquiti, Extreme and while Cisco make rock solid AP's their costs and licensing are horrendous. Ubiquiti decided to self destruct but their AP's have always been good, Ruckus seem to always be in this perfect sweet spot.
I've also heard good things about Juniper AP's but haven't used them myself.

 

[jagooch]

Not everything done over Wifi is then sent over the internet. And with WiFi 6e the real impairment is not the speed but being able to use the 6 GHz frequency for less interference which for a lot of people in congested areas can't max their internet connection speed even when its only 50 or 100 Mbps.

That said internet in the US is not slow by nature to a lot of people. Just about everyone who has access to Comcast has the option of 1 Gbps downloads, AT&T fiber (1000/1000 Mbps) is available to I believe 10 million homes, then you have Verizon FIOS and other smaller ISP's all proving 1 gig.

WiFi 6 and 6e are needed in a big way. There is a lot of work needed in rural America for faster internet and that will likely fall on 5G but in most populated places now very fast internet is available.

Exactly this. When I copy files to my file server or stream 4k movies from my media server, speed and latency are important.

Don’t get me started on latency and gaming.

 

[jagooch]

What is MoCA?

Multimedia over Coax Alliance.ie network over your coax cable.