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…how would they pull that off Under the hundreds (if not thousands) of Apple production engineers onsite at all the various vendor factories? Apple is one of the most involved in actual production (to make sure their specs are met) of their products of any of the big tech guys.
Idk… I just have this strong belief.
 
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Huh? I thought Face ID already stopped working if it wasn’t the original sensor? Why would they need to disable Face ID with a display change?

I don’t think I’ve ever used a third party repair shop (I don’t trust them) but I’ve fixed a screen or battery on a family phones a few times. Once the 13 is a few years old I would feel a little silly paying the full repair price for a screen repair.
Once you've compromised the screen you have the ability to compromise FaceID. Remember, the FaceID sensor is behind the glass, so replacing the glass could theoretically make it easier to compromise FaceID. That's independent from being able to record screen touches, which is a totally separate issue.

What Apple is doing is saying "if anything in the chain is broken the whole chain is broken." That's probably one of the reasons that Apple's biometric stuff is accepted as payments etc, because there is a chain-of-trust there.
 
in all fairness though, who else would Apple look out for if not themselves? Amazon?
No, but they could take a page out of Amazon's book here (which, to be fair, is a page that was stolen right out of Steve Job's book) and put Customers first.

Make your Customers happy and the money follows.

Disappoint them enough times and watch the money dry up.

Apple hasn't gotten money from me since I bought my 6+. We're a small group, but we're growing.
 
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'm 100% fine with this if it means I can trust the shop repairing my Apple product to do it properly, and with OEM Apple components. Kinda comes down to "if you don't like the policy, don't buy the product in the first place". Let your wallet speak.

Related, I recently had a non-AASC tell me they sold/use Apple OEM parts, and then the display fell off my iMac because they were using the wrong parts.
Which means, you can as well buy a new phone because cost will be prohibitive.
But hey, who cares, it's all Apple looking out for us.
 
'Right to repair' is kinda BS I think. Why don't we all stick with 1950's technology then and people can also blow their own glass tubes too? At some point, with MICRO electronics, your crazy uncle in his garage workshop won't be fixing things and that's a good thing as he won't be screwing things up and starting fires and blowing electronic security methods ETC. If anyone can explain why 'right to repair' is a 'right', how it is a 'right' and examples from history when microelectronics have been constructed to allow for home repair would be appreciated.

Speaking of the 1950’s I have memories of ‘helping’ my dad as he pulled tubes out of the TV, took them to a store (I think it was actually a drug store), tested each one in the testing machine in the corner of the store, and then bought replacements for the ones the machine indicated needed replacing. If that didn’t fix the problem we called the TV repair shop and waited for them to send out a repair person. The TV itself was too big to fit in the car.
 
Which means, you can as well buy a new phone because cost will be prohibitive.
But hey, who cares, it's all Apple looking out for us.
Again, voice your choice with your wallet.

Just because you take it to an Apple Store or an authorized service rep doesn’t guarantee the repair will be done correctly.
Instead, you get a warranty backed by a multi-trillion-dollar company who can give you a new device at the drop of a hat. Sounds fine to me.
There was and is ZERO stopping you from going to Apple for the repairs in the first place. You chose the cheap option, and you knew the risks. We would like there to be choice.

The reality with this change is, due to the whoppingly horrendous $229 to $329 for a genuine screen repair, this phone is now, in effect, a lot more expensive over its lifetime than the ticket price. I'm glad I read this article, because I have been thinking about upgrading my SE to a 13 Pro, but now I might look around for a second hand 12 Pro instead.

You won't believe the number of years I've held onto old Apple tech, waiting (sometimes in vain), for Apple to undo some poor design decision. I held onto my 6 due to the jack, until I killed it last year, and gave in on the jack ever coming back and bought a new SE and AirPods. I've held onto my 2015 15" rMBP, aghast at the mess of everything released from 2016 onwards.... and now look on in wonder at the 16" M1Pro/Max MBP, and all the poor design decisions that Apple have undone. Finally, a worthy replacement. I'll patiently wait until next year for the issues to settle, reviews to mature, and release prices to drop, before settling on the specs I want. Damn the RAM and SSD upgrades are the hugest rip off Apple Tax, and I'd really like 32GB/2TB minimum, but may have to settle for 16GB/2TB, let's see how the reviews pan out over time. I'm a bit wary, as when the M1 first came out, everyone was raving about how 8GB is enough, but it clearly isn't really, 16GB is the minimum. My mate got the 8GB, and say it clogs up and slows down with a lot of Safari tabs open.

Anyway, next time, just get your stuff repaired at Apple if you want genuine, but stop projecting your own choices on everyone else, it doesn't make you or the world any happier. Some of us are willing to hunt around for a 3rd party repairer that has a good reputation. There's one in my town who has 100% 5 star google reviews, and he truly is a legend. We've been to him multiple times for batteries and screens. He's a lovely, pleasant guy, cheap as chips, and provides prompt, on the spot service. We had one battery swell, and he simply replaced it without question for free, and threw in a free screen protector. Yeah, his stuff isn't genuine parts, but they work, and he backs them.
Should clarify - I didn't get a repair done, it was a kit that I was told would contain OEM parts. Apple can also fib, but again per the above you have a corporation to hold employees accountable, not a dude with good Google reviews (valid and quality as the service may be). Not everyone has a guy like that in their neighborhood. Even then, those costs are relative to the expensive high-tech device you're purchasing, and as it ages parts will be harder to come by (esp now). No one buys a shiny new Audi expecting to pay $250 for a new windshield when it gets cracked.

Sounds like you like to hold onto tech, and I agree Apple will charge out the wazoo for upgrades, but because people keep paying those prices, so I'd say you should continue to hold on. I used to fix first-get iPhone screens in college when Apple would simply replace the device, so good on people who know how to fix tech and all that, but I still don't think it's unfair for Apple to not open up super-secure technology like FaceID, TouchID, etc. to "unauthorized" third-party repairs, parts, firmware, etc. Doesn't fit the "it just works" motto, which isn't always the case because volume, but eh. Huge corporation backing the warranty instead of an LLC. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Again, voice your choice with your wallet.


Instead, you get a warranty backed by a multi-trillion-dollar company who can give you a new device at the drop of a hat. Sounds fine to me.

Should clarify - I didn't get a repair done, it was a kit that I was told would contain OEM parts. Apple can also fib, but again per the above you have a corporation to hold employees accountable, not a dude with good Google reviews (valid and quality as the service may be). Not everyone has a guy like that in their neighborhood. Even then, those costs are relative to the expensive high-tech device you're purchasing, and as it ages parts will be harder to come by (esp now). No one buys a shiny new Audi expecting to pay $250 for a new windshield when it gets cracked.

Sounds like you like to hold onto tech, and I agree Apple will charge out the wazoo for upgrades, but because people keep paying those prices, so I'd say you should continue to hold on. I used to fix first-get iPhone screens in college when Apple would simply replace the device, so good on people who know how to fix tech and all that, but I still don't think it's unfair for Apple to not open up super-secure technology like FaceID, TouchID, etc. to "unauthorized" third-party repairs, parts, firmware, etc. Doesn't fit the "it just works" motto, which isn't always the case because volume, but eh. Huge corporation backing the warranty instead of an LLC. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They give you another refurbished device and I would rather get it fixed correctly the first time because taking it in twice for the same repair isn’t economically worth it once the value of time is accounted for. Often taking it in the first time isn’t worth it.
 
Speaking of the 1950’s I have memories of ‘helping’ my dad as he pulled tubes out of the TV, took them to a store (I think it was actually a drug store), tested each one in the testing machine in the corner of the store, and then bought replacements for the ones the machine indicated needed replacing. If that didn’t fix the problem we called the TV repair shop and waited for them to send out a repair person. The TV itself was too big to fit in the car.
They were common in drug stores at least to the 70s.
 
AppleCare+ is an insanely affordable option.
Nobody needs independent repair shops anymore.
Why can’t we just pay a reasonable price when something actually breaks? Why must it be a gamble on how durable we think our devices are?

AppleCare is a steal if you regularly destroy your phone. If you’re generally careful then it’s basically a monthly subscription for possibly nothing.
 
I must be missing something. Rather than think the worst, I would guess that Apple did this so that someone couldn't create a chip that would authorize anyone to use the phone, not just the authorized user.
 
and if you arrive to the Store for the repair the employee might first you suggest: Why don't you buy a brand new equipment instead? mmmm?

Got an iphone 13 and the employee STRONGLY suggested me to get the Apple care too....getting tired of Apple.
 
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No, Apple did this so you can't spoof FaceID.

Apple doesn't give a **** about third-party repair services, they care about ensuring the security of their devices.
Really? So why not just give an option to pair/unpair the hardware in a diagnostic menu? Have the user log into iCloud as well as enter their iPhone's passcode before the pair/unpair process begins?

That's some BS rhetoric. Apple realizes that display replacements are a cash cow, and wants to monopolize on the service and sales.

If Apple cared about security, they wouldn't build a backdoor to scan your photos on your device locally, nor would it let NSO use vulnerabilities without patching them until faced with public pressure.
 


An inability to replace the iPhone 13's display without breaking Face ID could have a major impact on companies that offer iPhone repairs, iFixit said today in an article advocating for Right to Repair laws.

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iFixit first pointed out this repair issue in its iPhone 13 Pro teardown, and has confirmed it with multiple tests. Replacing the display of the iPhone 13 renders Face ID non-functional, so at-home repairs are not an option. Swapping an iPhone 13's display with a display from a new iPhone 13 results in an error message that says "Unable to activate Face ID on this iPhone."

An iPhone display repair, which could previously be done with hand-held tools, now requires a microscope and microsoldering tools or access to Apple's Independent Repair Provider Program, which repair shops have criticized for its "draconian" contracts and requirements.

At issue is a small microcontroller that pairs the iPhone 13 to its display. Apple does not have a tool that allows iPhone owners or repair shops not affiliated with Apple to pair a new screen to an iPhone 13. Authorized technicians who do work with Apple need to use Apple Services Toolkit 2 to log a repair to Apple's cloud services, thereby syncing the serial numbers of the iPhone and the display.

Some repair shops have found a workaround, but it is difficult and work intensive. A soldered chip must be moved from the original screen to the replacement, which iFixit says is "completely unprecedented" as screen repair is "incredibly common" and accounts for a good amount of the revenue that independent repair shops bring in.

iFixit says that Apple's decision to disable Face ID with a screen repair could cause small repair outlets to shut down, spend thousands on new equipment, or lose out on Apple repairs. The site also does not believe that the Face ID repair issue is an accident, as Apple has previously introduced similar repair restrictions for Touch ID, True Tone functionality with display repairs, and iPhone 12 cameras.

Other independent repair shops that iFixit spoke to believe that Apple has implemented this change in an effort to "thwart a customer's ability to repair," directing iPhone owners to Apple retail locations or Apple Authorized Service Providers for help with their displays.

With the iPhone 12, camera repairs initially required Apple's proprietary system configuration tool to function properly, and cameras that were replaced were non-functional. Apple addressed this issue with an update that notifies customers that the camera in their device might not be genuine, but doesn't disable it entirely. Apple could do something similar for Face ID in a future update, but it's not clear yet if that will happen.

Customers with an iPhone 13 would be best served by visiting an Apple Authorized Service Provider or an Apple Store for any kind of repair due to the difficulty of display replacements and the potential for Face ID failure. Without AppleCare+, display repairs are expensive, priced between $229 to $329 for Apple's iPhone 13 models.

Article Link: iPhone 13 Screen Replacements Can Break Face ID, a Repair Restriction iFixit Calls 'Completely Unprecedented'
If you are not authorized to access their secure environment, encryption, etc, than you are stealing their tech. So one you disassemble their tech of course you can not expect it to function. Common sense.
 
I get their reasoning for FaceID being something that isn’t easy to tamper with since it is used to secure payments for cards in the Wallet app.

But they should still have the camera/Face ID module be seperated from the screen so it can be replaced independently allowing third party shops teh ability to repair the screen, but not the Face ID unit itself.

This is definitely going to cause a lot of pain for third party shops and users who skip Apple Care+.

That sounds more difficult to design and manufacture the iPhone just so thrift-minded iPhone enthusiasts can repair the screen without having this security issue with Face ID. It seems ridiculous. Apple is right about this stuff I'd say.
 
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