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I'd hope so!
The ultra wide would be a very fun lens to use, but the sensor is much worse than the main camera.
 
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Will people even notice a quality difference with 48 megapixels though? No. Maybe it'll improve digital zoom and cropping, but for most pictures people take they won't notice a difference. And it'll take up a lot more space.
Well it'll improve image resolution slightly. But cost a lot of low light performance, which is rubbish anyway without a whole bunch of computation.

The main problem with even the iPhone 13 Pro is that there is a big zoom gap between the 1x and 3x lenses which requires digital zoom and some horrible looking interpolation. It might improve that as you mention.

Here's a good illustration. Everything between these two is a crappy compromise which is pretty useless.

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But screw it I bought a mirrorless because I want completely linear zoom and a sensor that's a LOT larger than this one.
 
Increased resolution will translate into poorer light performance unless it's a big enough boost in resolution to minimize the noise when scaled down. So it's a bit of a tradeoff. It sounds ridiculous, but I almost think they should just incorporate multiple sensors for light performance? They already do this for each lens's focal length. Why not just make 6 lenses. Have 10-12MP sensors behind their wide/normal/telephoto lenses to be used for lowlight purposes (and for smaller file sizes), and then put 30-45MP sensors behind an additional set of wide/normal/telephoto lenses for high-resolution purposes. It's a ridiculous amount of lenses, but it makes sense. That would increase the cost dramatically though.
 
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Does the average user really need bigger cameras? It seems that's all what phone makers do now to justify people turning their perfectly capable cameras just to spend more money? For example, I just recently upgraded from the iPhone 6s+ to the iPhone 8. I went from one camera on the the back to two. Wow! Anytime I take a picture with my iPhone 8 and want to email it to somebody, I still have to downsize it by 50% because the file is so freaking huge, not to mention convert it back to JPG because nobody on Windows knows how to view these heic files. Just saying. I understand people who are really into photos, but the average user taking a picture of their kids on vacation? Do we really need five different lenses on the back? JMTC
 
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Sounds like there the real restrain here is that there is not an awful lot of choice when it comes to camera components...

So when will we see Apples own photon sensor?
 
I think I need help with the math. I'm always confused by why sensors are 1/1.3 and 1/1.65 instead of .77 and .61

And then if its going from .60606 to .76923, isn't that a 26.9% increase? And .76923 to .60606 would be a 21.2% decrease. I'm really not sure, btw! I'm not just trying to be smart. This stuff always confuses me.
 
Yeah but binning negates most of those negative effects and if you then make the sensor physically larger like this article suggests you still end up with a better sensor than the current one and Apple 'needs' 48mp because they want to have 8k video for which you need 48mp.
No one cares about 8K video. They want 48 MP because the cameras are still not good enough in bright light. We should be able to zoom out digital images a little bit without immediately getting tons of unusable noise.
 
doesn't the 13 Pro with its 12MP beat all the Androids with 48, 64 and 108MP cameras?
No at present other top android phones like S22 ultra, pixel 6 pro and Vivo 70 plus produces better photos overall in many situations. That's why apple taking this jump is a must to move forward photography wise
 
So if that’s the case, then the 13 was really just an ‘S year’, but Macro-mode will be a decent advantage in addition migrated over to the larger sensor/48 megapixel for the 14.

For me personally, if the 14 would still offer the 48 megapixel and the periscope lens, that would be worth standing in line for.
 
So if that’s the case, then the 13 was really just an ‘S year’, but Macro-mode will be a decent advantage in addition migrated over to the larger sensor/48 megapixel for the 14.

For me personally, if the 14 would still offer the 48 megapixel and the periscope lens, that would be worth standing in line for.
Sounds like periscope lens is coming next year. 5x optical based off early rumours
 
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Jobs wouldn't have chased the MP race
Your logic is dated. You’re basically stating that Jobs never would’ve kept innovating, and he was really only around for the infancy of the iPhone, not the latter part of how advanced it’s become in terms of the camera technology. Smart phones are progressive technology, and that means that comes with change.
 
What else could they say when their own phones had low MP sensors? That's a typical PR. They laughed at phablets and some other tech too until they adopted them.

And Steve Jobs was against an iPad larger than 9 inches, he called that size “perfect”. Same with iPhone's screens larger than 4 inches and famously hated styluses. Well… look how things changed.
 
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doesn't the 13 Pro with its 12MP beat all the Androids with 48, 64 and 108MP cameras?

No. iPhones reign on video recording, but the photography battle is a little more contested. Blind tests show Android phones beating iPhones in several categories, zoom being the obvious weakness but also in edge detection algorithms, color reproduction and low-light situations.

In brightly lit scenes the winner often comes down to personal preference since most high end smartphones are just very good already.
 
And Steve Jobs was against an iPad larger than 9 inches, he called that size “perfect”. Same with iPhones screens larger than 4 inches and famously hated styluses. Well… look how things changed.
Don’t forget, “Jobs never would’ve done that….” :D

Because, you know Jobs logic would’ve stayed absolutely the same from 2007 all the way until 2022. (At least, that seems to be the general belief of members on here who apparently think they had Steve Jobs completely figured out and where the company would be today.)
 
Wow. It's definitely going to bring massive upgrades to the cameras. Can't wait for revamped Macro mode. My fingers are crossed we see finally get to utilize Astrophotography capabilities.
Oh come now, how big is the sensor in a iPhone 13 Max compared to a typical DLSL camera for low light photography of the night sky? While the iPhone 13 Max takes very good images for most applications, the sensor still is about 43 mm as shown on the diagram below compared to other camera sensor standards.
It will, however, measure 1/1.3-inches in size, which marks a 21.2% increase over the 1/1.65-inches sensor of the wide camera on the iPhone 13 series.
Here's a comparison of various camera sensors

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Makes me nervous. All of the first generation higher MP sensors seem to struggle with the quality of output where the smaller lenses didn’t.
 
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