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Have to give QCOM credit. Wi-Fi 7, X70 baseband, dual SIM dual active.
Anyone even using WiFi 7 or even 6e, few are on 6 but this is putting the cart before the horse. Remember the first generation of 5G it was terrible and power hungry chip. I would not put too much into marketing WiFi 7 just yet as it’s too early.

Dual SIM dual active, Apple has Duel SIM duel active 😝 in all seriousness eSIM is available.

X70 baseband, how many carriers are even using this considering mmWave coverage outside popular urban areas in the US is still sketchy and outside US and China it’s not supported at present that I am aware of. All this seems like is a phalic competition without anything concrete at the other end.
 
And in other news water is wet...

Seriously. Apple's so far ahead of the rest of the ARM ecosystem that it's not even a contest. The new Snapdragon likely can't compete with the A12~A13 in single core, let alone the A16...
(to be fair no ARM vendor can. Although this isn't to say that other ARM chips are bad, they just have different design goals/transistor budgets. In reality, we're far past the point of diminishing returns for everyday use in smartphones)
Correction, water “feels” wet to some with moisture sensors. To a robot for example water can “feel” or be represent anything the programmer/coder prefers. Moisture in the air can make some feel damp, etc etc.

It seems this line is being regurgitated without accuracy and it comes across as ignorant and adding nothing of value or substance.
 
Funny that you only mention CPU in favor of Apple, because 8 Gen 2 has surpassed and has better GPU performance than A16. It embrasses Apple. Because there is barely an improvement from A15 to A16 in terms of GPU.
Actually most of the SOC components in the SD 8 Gen 2 are better than on A16. AI, ISP, WIFI, Bluetooth, very important things for a phone. The CPU is actually just small part of the SOC.
 
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People collectively have short memories. I vividly remember my fellow Apple fans to be all about "user experience" and "optimisation" in the early years of the iPhone and PowerPC on the Mac, to almost instantly switch to a manic obsession with benchmark scores as soon as Apple pulled ahead.

The saying about glass houses comes to mind for some, although also no personal dig on you. I don't know you!
tbf, they still say those too.
 
For those saying that iPhones (or all premium phones) are overpowered because you just text, browse and take photos.... Apple must be aiming at something aside from bragging rights. I'm guessing that for several years the continual drive in performance in iPhones has to be something to do with AR/VR coming in the near future. If the phone could handle the heavy lifting for a more budget version of the glasses or headset for example. Otherwise what is the point?
 
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Anyone even using WiFi 7 or even 6e, few are on 6 but this is putting the cart before the horse. Remember the first generation of 5G it was terrible and power hungry chip. I would not put too much into marketing WiFi 7 just yet as it’s too early.

Dual SIM dual active, Apple has Duel SIM duel active 😝 in all seriousness eSIM is available.

X70 baseband, how many carriers are even using this considering mmWave coverage outside popular urban areas in the US is still sketchy and outside US and China it’s not supported at present that I am aware of. All this seems like is a phalic competition without anything concrete at the other end.

I don’t expect to use Wi-Fi 7 but expect the chip to be much better than the first gen Wi-FI 6E chip used in iPad/iPhone. Similar to the way iPhone 14 performs much better than iPhone 13, even though most carriers haven’t turned on aggregation features supported by X65.
 
As mentioned previously, Snapdragon 8 gen 2 is A14 level. It’s only faster in multi core thoughtput because it has two more performance cores. Not that this metric is particularly useful for a phone anyway. Nobody uses a phone as a data-crunching workstation.

You are wrong. Snapdragon 8th gen 2 outperforms not only in multi-core performance, but also in every other test (GPU, MEM, UX).

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Snapdragon 8 gen 1 and Mediatek 9000 too.

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In addition, the Mediatek 9xxx is cooler than the Apple A.

And as for workstations, the latest Intel in the same test Logic Pro X, is also better.

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So, it may outperform the A13 when it comes out, which means android phone will remain 3 years behind? Good to know.
 
Anyone even using WiFi 7 or even 6e, few are on 6 but this is putting the cart before the horse. Remember the first generation of 5G it was terrible and power hungry chip. I would not put too much into marketing WiFi 7 just yet as it’s too early.
Interesting excuse.
How can people use Wifi 7 if it's not support by relevant hardware like smartphones?
Can you use Wifi 6e on an iPhone if you want?


Dual SIM dual active, Apple has Duel SIM duel active 😝 in all seriousness eSIM is available.
Not the same thing, SD 8 Gen 2 supports Dual-SIM Dual-Active (DSDA) 5G+5G and 5G+4G.
No iphone supports Dual-SIM Dual-Active, only Dual-SIM so it can use one cellular data network at a time.


X70 baseband, how many carriers are even using this considering mmWave coverage outside popular urban areas in the US is still sketchy and outside US and China it’s not supported at present that I am aware of. All this seems like is a phalic competition without anything concrete at the other end.
What's with the insistence on "who uses x or y"?
The X70 is the modem and it will be compatible with all major cellular networks at the launch of the first Android smartphones. Qualcomm has the best modems in the smartphone business, the X70 will be the best of the best in everything: performance/data speeds, efficiency, coverage, signal quality, and latency.

 
So, it may outperform the A13 when it comes out, which means android phone will remain 3 years behind? Good to know.
SD 8 Gen 2's CPU will be like 10% faster in single core and 25% faster in multi-core VS the A13
Every other component of Gen 2's SOC simply murders the A13.
 
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tbf, they still say those too.
Yeah, some do, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit weird to point fingers at people saying things that Apple folks have been saying for years, particularly because a lot of Apple folks used to very vocally sneer at benchmark obsessed Windows/Android discussions. We can't have our cake and eat it!
 
I don’t expect to use Wi-Fi 7 but expect the chip to be much better than the first gen Wi-FI 6E chip used in iPad/iPhone. Similar to the way iPhone 14 performs much better than iPhone 13, even though most carriers haven’t turned on aggregation features supported by X65.
Best to wait for some lab versus real world results. Let’s say it is better at handling 6e, will most end-users even notice considering in many peoples home network there is a patchwork of wifi limiting devices on either end and most are not technical to know or care as long as it connects to the internet and a fall back is mobile data. Most business’ aren’t jumping to spend more money to upgrade to 6/6e or even 7 considering cost associated with purchasing, installing, maintaining, etc. Usually a business will just purchase what is affordable at the initial time of install and let it be.
 
Interesting excuse.
How can people use Wifi 7 if it's not support by relevant hardware like smartphones?
Can you use Wifi 6e on an iPhone if you want?



Not the same thing, SD 8 Gen 2 supports Dual-SIM Dual-Active (DSDA) 5G+5G and 5G+4G.
No iphone supports Dual-SIM Dual-Active, only Dual-SIM so it can use one cellular data network at a time.



What's with the insistence on "who uses x or y"?
The X70 is the modem and it will be compatible with all major cellular networks at the launch of the first Android smartphones. Qualcomm has the best modems in the smartphone business, the X70 will be the best of the best in everything: performance/data speeds, efficiency, coverage, signal quality, and latency.
Most average users don’t care about protocols as long as it connects them to the internet and gets the job done, most use mobile data as a fallback. I think you might be overestimating the masses need for wifi 7. Other than the echo chamber on this forum this is just marketing to get the few salivating. Most average users don’t even notice speed increase on their network and most of the time it’s their ISP package that is the limiting factor.

Great for X70 bands but as mentioned just like 5G and mmWave it’s been over hyped.

Are there any reliable wifi 7 routers available?

Yeah that’s it’s Dual active SIM’s because the people who are travelling (non-business) are basically seeking the cheapest data plan and guess what eSIM has them covered. Some business people have two physical phones as to not drain their personal phone battery or reduce its lifespan unless the company is covering the cost for a replacement. I am pretty sure some Chinese phone manufacturers had dual physical sim and active some years ago. I suspect Apple is just trying to go physical and eSIM or all eSIM.
 
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True... but there's also the idea that the faster you can get the work done... the faster you can put the chip back to a lower-voltage state.

I think they call it "race to sleep"
But that would only apply if the phone’s speed is the bottleneck, ie. if you’re limited in your work speed by your phone speed. I think it’s hard to outpace your phone these days, and most people are dilly dallying most of the time anyway.
 
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True... but there's also the idea that the faster you can get the work done... the faster you can put the chip back to a lower-voltage state.

I think they call it "race to sleep"

Plus... I'd say most of the common low-level work is handled on the efficiency cores without ever needing to fire-up the performance cores. That's another way modern chips are more efficient.

:)
This was the same they said about the 5G. But that's only if you do the same amount and idle otherwise. But people are going to do more things or make workers do more things if the speed is there.
 
Most average users don’t care about protocols as long as it connects them to the internet and gets the job done, most use mobile data as a fallback. I think you might be overestimating the masses need for wifi 7. Other than the echo chamber on this forum this is just marketing to get the few salivating. Most average users don’t even notice speed increase on their network and most of the time it’s their ISP package that is the limiting factor.

Great for X70 bands but as mentioned just like 5G and mmWave it’s been over hyped.

Are there any reliable wifi 7 routers available?

Yeah that’s it’s Dual active SIM’s because the people who are travelling (non-business) are basically seeking the cheapest data plan and guess what eSIM has them covered. Some business people have two physical phones as to not drain their personal phone battery or reduce its lifespan unless the company is covering the cost for a replacement. I am pretty sure some Chinese phone manufacturers had dual physical sim and active some years ago. I suspect Apple is just trying to go physical and eSIM or all eSIM.
Yea we are good with 50Mbps or even 25. I do wish ISPs could have some sort of short term rental surcharge for high speed for the rare update or app/game download. Not going to pay the 1Gbps fee all the time.
 
The Asus ROG Phone 6 may be very fast, but gawd, they had to use a 6,000 mAh battery pack. I hate to imagine how hot that phone runs, let alone how much it weighs.
 
Apple’s phones are overpowered and Apple’s pace of performance improvements is declining. Maybe next year with 3 nm designs we’ll see a big jump. But what do we really do with an 1875 single core score? I think it’s good to see Qualcomm steadily advance.


Snapdragon is much better than it was 2 years ago with 1000 single and 3000 multi. Slower than iPhone yes but much faster than 2 years ago.
Not just phones either. I wish it was possible to get mild specs on a 16" MacBook. Why do they have to link $2500 specs to the screen size?
 
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For those saying that iPhones (or all premium phones) are overpowered because you just text, browse and take photos.... Apple must be aiming at something aside from bragging rights. I'm guessing that for several years the continual drive in performance in iPhones has to be something to do with AR/VR coming in the near future. If the phone could handle the heavy lifting for a more budget version of the glasses or headset for example. Otherwise what is the point?
Two things everyone does that I do say are much faster lately are booting and installing iOS updates. Booting was so slow at one time. It was like Magnetic vs SSD now
 
Not just phones either. I wish it was possible to get mild specs on a 16" MacBook. Why do they have to link $2500 specs to the screen size?
Yup. Or iPad. Only The 12.9 inch has the mini led display. Costing hundreds more than the base 11” model. Also, in terms of ram, iPad Pro offers up to 16 GB but you can only get it if you get a 1 TB model or more. And iPad Air, why is there no 128 GB model? Either get 64 GB which may be too little, or step up to 256 GB which may be too much?
 
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