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iPhone 14 Pro's A16 Bionic Outperforms Latest Snapdragon 8 Chip Coming to Android Phones Later This Year

falkon-engine said:
Yup. Or iPad. Only The 12.9 inch has the mini led display. Costing hundreds more than the base 11” model. Also, in terms of ram, iPad offers up to 16 GB but you can only get it if you get a 1 TB model or more. And iPad Air, why is there no 128 GB model? Either get 64 GB which may be too little, or step up to 256 GB which may be too much?
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That the one that bugs me on PCs. I only need 256GB drive but like the RAM to keep things moving more quickly. And forbid still having easy ways to upgrade anymore. The one that took the cake was my dad's last DESKTOP didn't have a cable for a slave drive
 
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subjonas said:
But that would only apply if the phone’s speed is the bottleneck, ie. if you’re limited in your work speed by your phone speed. I think it’s hard to outpace your phone these days, and most people are dilly dallying most of the time anyway.
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Well like I said... most of that dilly-dallying would be handled by the efficiency cores.

We don't even need to wake up the performance cores if people are just checking their emails or browsing Instagram.

Modern processors provide horsepower when you need it... and efficiency when you don't.

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compwiz1202 said:
This was the same they said about the 5G. But that's only if you do the same amount and idle otherwise. But people are going to do more things or make workers do more things if the speed is there.
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Personally... I don't "do more things" when my phone is connected to 5G instead of LTE. I barely notice a difference. I didn't download multi-gigabyte files on my phone over LTE then... and I don't do it now on 5G either. :p

As for processors... yes... they are getting faster. But they are also getting more efficient.

If there is a task that requires a lot of horsepower... the task can get done quicker so the processor can go back to sleep.

But as I've said... a lot of common tasks are actually handled on the efficiency cores anyway. We don't even need to wake up the performance cores for a lot of daily tasks.

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I'm really impressed with what apple achieves with the A (and M series) CPUs. It really puts the P in Premium.

My 2020 iphone mini is still faster and smaller than everything the android world comes up with today.
 
code-m said:
Most average users don’t care about protocols as long as it connects them to the internet and gets the job done, most use mobile data as a fallback. I think you might be overestimating the masses need for wifi 7. Other than the echo chamber on this forum this is just marketing to get the few salivating. Most average users don’t even notice speed increase on their network and most of the time it’s their ISP package that is the limiting factor.
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Again excuses. Supporting Wifi 7 and 6e is possible right now and they are really nice additions to any device especially to super-premium super-expensive devices.
Even a 100$ low end Android phone gets the job done when it comes to connectivity. Is that the level iphones strive for?

code-m said:
Great for X70 bands but as mentioned just like 5G and mmWave it’s been over hyped.
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Snapdragon X70 Modem-RF System. Again it's the modem and I don't see how it's "over hyped", these are again just excuses.


code-m said:
Are there any reliable wifi 7 routers available?
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Irrelevant. First Wifi 7 Routers will be available in Q1 2023 and more will launch throughout the year. Wifi 7 is here already.


code-m said:
Yeah that’s it’s Dual active SIM’s because the people who are travelling (non-business) are basically seeking the cheapest data plan and guess what eSIM has them covered.
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It's not, dual-active means that during a call both SIMs can uses their respective networks at the same time as it has two sets of receivers, iphone's dual sim capabilities are at the level of lower mid-range Android smartphone.


code-m said:
Some business people have two physical phones as to not drain their personal phone battery or reduce its lifespan unless the company is covering the cost for a replacement.
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These non-stop excuses are really funny.


code-m said:
I am pretty sure some Chinese phone manufacturers had dual physical sim and active some years ago. I suspect Apple is just trying to go physical and eSIM or all eSIM.
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You do suspect quite a lot of things.
 
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This is the first time ever we have both Apple and Qualcomm competing on the same node process ,
so maybe the first after a looong long time that we can make valid comparisons.

So , it is obvious that Qualcomm can make better cpus than Samsung and Apple can make better cpus
than Qualcomm. An argument against this, as we will see below, is that Qualcomm is focusing more on other
parts of the chipset and leaving a bit behind the cpu part. But honestly I think this is not the reason.The reason is most probably a weakeness from Qualcomm's side.

That said , many fail to mention the fact that the graphics processing unit and neural processing unit of the
snapdragon 8 gen 2 are ,from a bit faster to quite faster compared with what is inside apple 16 bionic.

Now, regarding the benchmarks of the mobile products , it is true that they have some weaknesses, but they are
much better than the perceived "real world" performance which is subjective and laughable to even be considered.

Ideally "mobile" companies would grace us with the theoretical performance of their "processing units" and people that have minimal but orthodox teaching on computer hardware would have an instant idea about what we are talking about.
But they are all hide , hide , hide ... For these that think that the above argument is counterintuitive, let them think again. Or ask their dads and grandfathers who used to live in a more enlightened age regarding these things.

That said again, though I am a sucker for processor speed, just think. And what would you do with a cpu with a single core GB 1500-1900 and a multicore GB 4500-5500 on a phone?
Smartphone companies have taken good measures, so that we can't use our phones as our other computers, but use them with restricions and mostly to make phones calls which negates the whole argument about processor speed.

So, why would I buy a faster ultramobile computer(the smartphone)? If I find a monitor , a keyboard and a mouse in a house , in a company or an organisation.. Can I connect my smartphone with these , sit at the desk and do my job, or play a game, or code, or read my books on the big screen or watch my movies? Can I load and boot MacOS, Windows or Linux together with android or ios? A deafening no, because there is no universal connectivity and freedom to take advantage of your chipset speed, as you see fit!

Then why would I care for smartphone speed that much ? You tell me!
 
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M3gatron said:
Again excuses. Supporting Wifi 7 and 6e is possible right now and they are really nice additions to any device especially to super-premium super-expensive devices.
Even a 100$ low end Android phone gets the job done when it comes to connectivity. Is that the level iphones strive for?


Snapdragon X70 Modem-RF System. Again it's the modem and I don't see how it's "over hyped", these are again just excuses.



Irrelevant. First Wifi 7 Routers will be available in Q1 2023 and more will launch throughout the year. Wifi 7 is here already.



It's not, dual-active means that during a call both SIMs can uses their respective networks at the same time as it has two sets of receivers, iphone's dual sim capabilities are at the level of lower mid-range Android smartphone.



These non-stop excuses are really funny.



You do suspect quite a lot of things.
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WiFi 7 and dual active SIM cannot also be listed as excuses, actually everything you said can also be deemed an excuse. What part of the present wifi protocol is not getting the job for most people? If you are looking at VR headsets usage there maybe an application that it may or may not take off.

Everything is not a positive there are consequences and balance must be strived for. For example constantly having a VR headset is not good for a persons mental, physical and emotional state. Have something like WiFi7 only encourages negative behaviour as it makes it easier to slip into a form of addiction dependence.
 
M3gatron said:
Again excuses. Supporting Wifi 7 and 6e is possible right now and they are really nice additions to any device especially to super-premium super-expensive devices.
Even a 100$ low end Android phone gets the job done when it comes to connectivity. Is that the level iphones strive for?


Snapdragon X70 Modem-RF System. Again it's the modem and I don't see how it's "over hyped", these are again just excuses.



Irrelevant. First Wifi 7 Routers will be available in Q1 2023 and more will launch throughout the year. Wifi 7 is here already.



It's not, dual-active means that during a call both SIMs can uses their respective networks at the same time as it has two sets of receivers, iphone's dual sim capabilities are at the level of lower mid-range Android smartphone.



These non-stop excuses are really funny.



You do suspect quite a lot of things.
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And yet Apple happily garners somewhere north of 90% of the revenue in the smartphone sector, regardless of what is said online and the low bar of "gets the job done".
 
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compwiz1202 said:
Yea we are good with 50Mbps or even 25. I do wish ISPs could have some sort of short term rental surcharge for high speed for the rare update or app/game download. Not going to pay the 1Gbps fee all the time.
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Most of that extra speed is unused most of the time. It’s like purchasing a super car to drive for one hour or less one day a week or less but paying for it to park, maintain, insure, operate etc.
 
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I bought a used S21 to replace my iPhone 11. The Exynos CPU on the 21 is fast enough for everything I do, even though slower than probably the last 3 iPhone CPUs. But here is the thing -- compared the S21 to my co-worker 's iPhone 13, and download speeds were 3x faster on the S21 via both wifi and 5G. I have nothing bad to say about my iPhone, but there is a glaring issue that Apple needs to address -- modem speed. The CPUs may be great, and the software highly optimized on iPhones, but there are other areas where Apple needs to stop being miserly.
 
code-m said:
WiFi 7 and dual active SIM cannot also be listed as excuses,
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And yet here you are, making up all sorts of excuses around them, even suggesting iphones have Dual-SIM capabilities that they don't actually have.

code-m said:
actually everything you said can also be deemed an excuse. What part of the present wifi protocol is not getting the job for most people? If you are looking at VR headsets usage there maybe an application that it may or may not take off.
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What part of the SD 8 Gen 2 CPU is not "getting the job done"? to make so many users here to be so critical against it? Well most of them talk about the overall SOC without realizing what an SOC is while in practice they think at Geekbench single core scores. The attacks here against the SD 8 Gen 2 don't even have any substance.

code-m said:
Everything is not a positive there are consequences and balance must be strived for. For example constantly having a VR headset is not good for a persons mental, physical and emotional state. Have something like WiFi7 only encourages negative behaviour as it makes it easier to slip into a form of addiction dependence.
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LoL, so having Wifi 7 is a bad thing. That was a good one.
 
code-m said:
Most of that extra speed is unused most of the time. It’s like purchasing a super car to drive for one hour or less one day a week or less but paying for it to park, maintain, insure, operate etc.
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Yea this is why I wish we could rent high speed for like an hour. Only need for a large app/game download or big updates. I can live with waiting since I was alive for 56K or less, but it's still cool to see gigs go by in a flash
 
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M3gatron said:
Well result are in.
8 Gen 2's GPU is a monster easily beating the A16 in both performance and efficiency. The GPU is only 18% slower than M1's GPU while using less than half as much power.
Actually apart for the CPU the 8 Gen 2 is a better overall SOC than Apple's A16.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1594664643968237568
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And Qualcomm is pitching, "An AI marvel that defines a new premium standard for connected computing,”
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Reference
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/a...-platforms/snapdragon-8-gen-2-mobile-platform
Also from that site Qualcomm is stating

We’ve also brought AI to the Snapdragon X70 5G Modem RF System with the first and only 5G AI processor in a modem-RF system, making this the most advanced mobile connectivity platform ever. And, we’re not stopping there—this platform’s camera is powered by the industry’s very first Cognitive ISP enabling ingenious capture, with real-time Semantic Segmentation for photo and video optimizations.
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Like whom really needs AI in their data modem? Is not regular software enough to handle which Hotspot is using 5G/4G and that the mobile phone OS can use the network on WiFi ? Funny how to you have to disable the WiFi hotspot in Android to be able to use the WiFi modem for hotspot (or is this isolated to Samsung devices).
 
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MathersMahmood said:
My S22 Ultra feels just as snappy as my 14 Pro Max. None issue here. I would take more features over more power as I still feel iOS way behind in terms of features.
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Keeping the uptime, and no reboots in comparison to the 14 Pro Max in the course of 12 mths and I'll be curious how it performs then, due to the OS not the hardware.
 
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I remember once upon a time when android users were laughing at iPhones because their own phones had more cores (which turned out to actually offer worse performance in real life because of excessive heat generation).

You don’t hear them boasting about their processors anymore. Well done, Apple, in removing another source of annoyance for us iOS users.
 
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