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Mr. Heckles

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Can someone tell me why one would want to try to do pro video on a small sensor iPhone? Why not just buy a DSLR and get a big sensor with proper lenses?
I don’t carry my DSLR unless I know I’ll need it. The best camera that you can have is the one that’s on you when you need it. In most cases, it’s a phone camera.
 

polyphenol

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Thanks for that article.

Very helpful in trying to get my head round what is actually being offered. And which way to jump.
 

Oscar_440

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So Apple uses the same main camera as the iPhone 14 Pro and then uses software to hold iPhone 14 Pro users on 12 megapixel and enables a 24 megapixel mode on the iPhone 15 pro, hoping they would update? Meanwhile they want less waste for 2030 and their greenwashing propaganda?
Apple takes advantage of her (vast majority) clients' ignorance. And not just for cameras, iphone15 with 2.0, iphone 15 PRO with 2.0 included cable, 60Hz refresh rate etc...
 

GuruZac

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Interestingly the 128GB iPhone 15 Pro doesn’t appear to be literally handicapped by base storage, but technical practicality.

Also, I assume the ProRes 4K at 60 is limited unless connected to external hard drive due to storage constraints? Matters naught for me as I’ll never use ProRes.


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RedWeasel

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Do DSLR’s even approach the image processing capabilities of the iPhone?
They don’t have to (for their use case), as most of the image processing is basically trying to get an acceptable picture from constrained hardware (as in small sensors, small lenses, jittery hands holding the phone etc.)
 
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wyarp

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They don’t have to (for their use case), as most of the image processing is basically trying to get an acceptable picture from constrained hardware (as in small sensors, small lenses, jittery hands holding the phone etc.)
I just want to be able to turn off HDR and sharpening. I thought my iPhone 5S took great photos, except in really low light or if I wanted to view them on paper or a big hi-res display.
THIS!!!!!

As. A photographer I LOATHE how the recent iPhones of the past 4/5 years(?) have taken great photos but then borderline ruined them with their over-aggressive post processing! It used to be that you could take photos that look like the image you are trying to capture. Recent iterations for the iPhone Pro though as vastly over-sharpened, over-contrasted, over-highlighted everything.

I understand they want to create pictures that ‘pop’ for the revalue user just putting them on socials, but they add a plethora of options to be able to edit photos to their preference (and most ppl will probably use additional filtering etc in IG or whatever other apps they use.)

The pics that Apple always portray in their launch demos/videos are perfectly lit, perfectly composed, very minimal shots, ie close up portraits against a vivid blue sky. They rarely show pictures where there’s a lot of detail or contrasting patterns. When you do try take anything like that and zoom into the image, so much detail is lost as everything become a nightmare of jagged edges and insane contrast. Take a picture of a Christmas tree this year and you’ll see exactly what I mean!

And yes I realise there is the RAW option, but that makes vastly larger photos and the default images should just look like that without having to switch to RAW each time. (Which incidentally still isn’t completely ‘raw’).
 

BlueTide

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Can someone tell me why one would want to try to do pro video on a small sensor iPhone? Why not just buy a DSLR and get a big sensor with proper lenses?
Yeah. If you know how to fix stuff in post, you can squeeze a lot out of these small things. And create your own looks more flexibly. It's really nice not to carry around a lot of stuff if you don't absolutely need to, say, on vacations.
 

wikiverse

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Apple should just release an iOS camera like the Samsung Galaxy Camera from a few years ago. It was way ahead of it's time. Decent sensor, 21x optical zoom. larger battery.
 

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MrENGLISH

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Apple should just release an iOS camera like the Samsung Galaxy Camera from a few years ago. It was way ahead of it's time. Decent sensor, 21x optical zoom. larger battery.
I’m surprised they haven’t. Or better yet, team up with Sony and handle the software side of their Alpha cameras.
 

Saturn007

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“The best camera that you can have is the one that’s on you when you need it.”​

Hmm… That's an old saw which has always struck me as a lame excuse or rationalization for the limited cameras of smartphones.

I'd rewrite it as:

”The best camera that you can have is the dedicated digital camera you never bought or the one you left at home!”​

After all, if I’m out walking or hiking and spot a distant bird, the *best camera* to photograph that bird is surely not the one in my iPhone! In my case, it's the Canon compact zoom camera (say, Powershot SX720 or ELPH 330) that's sitting in our family room at home.

I don't even bother to take a photo with my iPhone because I know it will show me nothing more than a speck!
 

_Refurbished_

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I always chuckle when I see forum threads like this. Armchair photographers everywhere.

The reality is we won’t see revolutionary advances in photography on a yearly basis. It’s just not possible. Companies have to leverage improving the hardware and advancing the software, to create a more refined experience. Without getting into it, Apple has done just that. Certain years will there be more of a bump than others? Potentially. We’re already at a very good place with the camera system, so we may be bordering on diminishing returns year after year.

The Pixel was / is the gold standard for smartphone photography. They used the same sensor year after year and held their ground. Before jumping to conclusions, let’s wait to see what the 15’s have to offer. Spec sheets are just that, specs. Software plays a huge role in smartphone photography, so we’ll have to wait and see what Apple has to offer. Anyone drawing conclusions without real world testing is being ignorant to the situation.
 

Razorpit

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Can someone translate this gobbledygook into a plain English sentence for the rest of us?

Apple says it is relying on third-party developers to make these extra controls accessible to enthusiasts and filmmakers.
The elephant in the room no one is talking about, Apple is adopting the BMW model of renting heated seats to owners of their cars.*

In this case the features are built in to the phone, but by not allowing us to access them through the built in camera app, Apple will collect an additional 15% per month from each developer’s subscription fee. Win-win except for the person that wants to use their heated seats.

*Ironically BMW is reportedly dropping this stupid practice.
 
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dstow

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Can someone tell me why one would want to try to do pro video on a small sensor iPhone? Why not just buy a DSLR and get a big sensor with proper lenses?
Because venturing out with an expensive DSLR wrapped around your neck on a daily basis will not only make you seem like a sinister pervert, it's also not practical - the difference between HEVC and ProRes has already been proven to be beneficial enough back when the 13 Pro launched, so that argument can be put to bed

Like saying why take your Airpods with you on your train journey when you can drag along a Japanese tube amplifier, because it's mental
 
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neuropsychguy

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Camera should have a consumer mode and a pro mode and "pro" mode should have to be deliberately turned on in settings to reveal all the other controls—camera app has become too complex for the average user and needs simplification.
I think this would be a great option. We can do it with the calculator app so a "pro" mode for the camera would be wonderful. Some developers wouldn't like it though because it might destroy their sales.
 

randyhudson

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When shooting at 24-megapixels...

the photos look exactly the same, but we are able to take up more storage on the users' phones, forcing them to upgrade their device in the future to one with a higher capacity, or to upgrade their cloud storage subscription tier.

FTFY
 

TechnoMonk

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“The best camera that you can have is the one that’s on you when you need it.”​

Hmm… That's an old saw which has always struck me as a lame excuse or rationalization for the limited cameras of smartphones.

I'd rewrite it as:

”The best camera that you can have is the dedicated digital camera you never bought or the one you left at home!”​

After all, if I’m out walking or hiking and spot a distant bird, the *best camera* to photograph that bird is surely not the one in my iPhone! In my case, it's the Canon compact zoom camera (say, Powershot SX720 or ELPH 330) that's sitting in our family room at home.

I don't even bother to take a photo with my iPhone because I know it will show me nothing more than a speck!
As much as I love my DSLR with 300 mm telephoto lens for birds, nature, and wide angle for amazing landscapes. it’s very limited because I had to plan and take it for specific purposes. I have some amazing pics going all the way to iPhone 5s, just coz it wasn’t planned, nor was I expecting to see something to take pics.
I would have never taken those pics if not for iPhone.
 
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neuropsychguy

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The elephant in the room no one is talking about, Apple is adopting the BMW model of renting heated seats to owners of their cars.*

In this case the features are built in to the phone, but by not allowing us to access them through the built in camera app, Apple will collect an additional 15% per month from each developer’s subscription fee. Win-win except for the person that wants to use their heated seats.

*Ironically BMW is reportedly dropping this stupid practice.
That's a cynical way of looking at it (and not really valid with the BMW comparison). The other side is that rather than putting everything in and competing with developers, Apple lets people other than Apple employees make money through iOS app development. Putting everything in would run the risk of more anti-monopoly lawsuits.
 

Mac Fly (film)

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I think this would be a great option. We can do it with the calculator app so a "pro" mode for the camera would be wonderful. Some developers wouldn't like it though because it might destroy their sales.
No in mind the pro mode is what we have now. The normal mode is what we have no with less buttons and options. And the pro mode can be made better over the coming years while the normal mode stays clean.
 
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