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What is the point of any battery if charging past 80% causes excessive wear and tear. Same with EV’s. Just plain dump. I want the full capacity always, so develop battery technology that does that.
The technology exists it’s called hydrocarbons and a generator or internal combustion engine.
 
Nice, hope this comes to macOS as well, where the OS will sometimes notice that you're constantly plugged in and stay at 80%, but it's really inconsistent. Just let me configure it!
That is exactly why I use AlDente on my MBA. It lets me set the charge rate and know it will stay there until I change it. The automated way never did go below 100% for me for months.
 
What is the point of any battery if charging past 80% causes excessive wear and tear. Same with EV’s. Just plain dump. I want the full capacity always, so develop battery technology that does that.
Due to how lithium batteries work there is an inherent increased risk of capacity loss from charging to 100% on a consistent basis. By setting your maximum charge rate to 80% you avoid that “danger zone”. If you need 100% of your battery’all charge every day this won’t work for you but if, most days, you only use less than 80% it doesn’t inconvenience you and you can still switch it 100% on days when you expect to need more.

Most days I have charging available at multiple points of the day and can top off when it gets a little low. I rarely need the full capacity of the battery but I appreciate being able to preserve that capacity for when I need it.
 
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I know people are (rightfully) upset that this seems like an iPhone 15 only feature, but keep in mind the iPhone 15 isn't even out yet. It wouldn't surprise me if they push a software update to bring this to all iPhone models.

It does make me worried though that maybe the iPhone 15's battery degraded a lot in testing.
 
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Good to know. My launch day iPhone 14 Pro is now down to 89% after a mixture of wireless charging in the car and overnight charging (optimized) at night (with MagSafe mostly).

I'm probably going to try to forgo wireless charging altogether when my iPhone 15 Pro Max gets here and see how that affects battery health over the next year.
I'd say that is just normal battery degradation. I do not believe it has anything to do with your battery charging habits.
 
I still don't understand. So, since it stops charging at 80%, that means that you only have 80% of your battery's capacity instead of the 100% capacity. So, as others have pointed out, you are losing out on 20% of your battery's capacity!

Is that correct?
Absolutely! But do you need that full 100% every single day or just on some days? This setting lets you preserve your battery’s long term health on days when you only need part of your battery’s capacity. On days when you need the whole capacity, you can switch it to 100%.
 
I appreciate this for people who have issues (or are worried). I know that everyone's mileage is different. For me, on my launch day 14 Pro Max is at 100% Health with daily overnight MagSafe charging, daily plug-in CarPlay to/from work. Basically- just use it. Will I use this? Perhaps...But nice knowing its there.
How in the heck are you still at 100% capacity?! You must have excellent charging habits such as 80% rule and never allowing the battery to fall below 40%. Just for comparison, my launch day iPhone 14 Pro Max is at 91%.
 
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Battery cycles
"You can do over 40,000 charge/discharge cycles when going from 30% to 70% only. Or over 35,000 charge/discharge cycles from 20% to 80%; 28,000 cycles from 10% to 90%; 15,000 cycles from 8% to 92%, 7,500 cylces from 6% to 94%, and the capacity reduction goes faster and faster, finally reaching 500 cycles when recharging from 0% to 100%."
Do you have a link for this? Or a technical study? I mean I always knew it was like this but never thought the difference was that huge.

I personally use a program called AlDente. It works great and does what you would like. It even has a lot of configuration even in the free version
Me to. My Macbook Air is running at 70% all day without any use of the battery. Instantly paid for the pro version.

Do you have a link, I can’t find it?

What about the method used to charge… Mix and match fast charging with wireless charging? Will that have any negative effects on battery health?
Fast charging doesn't hurt per se, as long as the battery isn't getting hot. Normally an iPhone will only use really fast charging up until about 50% charge, then it slows down to prevent heating.

I absolutely love this new option. Simply because it means I can have my 15 Pro Max on the wireless desk charger all day without having to worry about the battery. Just ideally to use electricty for normal standby stuff instead of battery cycles. This way those cycle are still available for when I need them.
 
Why is this limited to the new models only? Given the OS is capable of stopping charging when it's overheating, comes in contact with liquid etc. since iPhone 6-7
Obvious answer. To force you into buying their new phones to access the gate-kept feature. It can easily be enabled on the OS for older devices but that would be a missed opportunity to take peoples money.
 
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Turning it off while you’re out and about doesn’t magically bring your battery charge level to 100%. So you have to make the decision to turn it off when charging before you head out, and guess where you’d be doing this most time? Home! So keep the damn thing off.
Yes and it sounds like this is not something that would work for you. Great. Some of us can more easily estimate whether we are going to need more capacity on a given day such as traveling or being out running errands vs going to work and sitting at a desk where the phone can be plugged in. If this doesn’t work for you, you don’t need to use it but it will help many of us.
 
Apple needs to GROW THE F**K UP.
This should be supported on all devices that supports iOS 17.

It’s weird how the MagSafe battery pack has an option where it stops at 90% instead of typical 80% rule, that was stupid.
 
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Thats an excelent feature in order to prevent battery lifetime. But that could be added to previous models too...
Ps; android phones has this feature since at least 2018... come on Apple
 
Laptops, especially gaming laptops, run warm for long periods. So these settings can help.

But go into any Apple Store and you will see that all the MacBooks plugged in idle at 80% to conserve battery longevity. But this setting is not accessible by user, just a feature MacBooks implement if they are constantly left plugged in.
that may be the Optimized Charging feature that Apple introduced a couple of years ago on Macs and iPhones. It is supposed to observe your usage patterns and automatically adjust the charge level based on your usage. For many people that works but for some of us it doesn’t. This explicit 80% setting is simpler and should be more reliable for those of us that keep our devices and don’t always need 100% every day.
 
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As a serious response, iPad has had Charge Management feature since iOS 11.3. It stops charging before it's full. iPhone will stop charging if it gets too hot and supports Optimized Battery Charging, which stops at 80% temporarily.

So there's absolutely nothing technical that prevents Apple from implementing this feature on iPhone 14 and older.
I haven’t seen any way to keep the charge level on an iPad below 100% in any recent OS.
 
Maybe Apple could deign provide some rationale behind this?

why 80 % ? is it to placate the 20/80 conspiracy theorists ? are they right?

why 80 ? why not 90 or 95 ?


And other questions?

What is the variability between batteries? are they all created equal?

With hundred millions of iPhones of each generation in the wild, sending stats to Apple, can't they know the impact of different charging and use behavior? of magsafe vs wired? slow charging vs fast charging?

What even is the point of optimized charging? why adding the 80% limit? why now?
 
Good to know. My launch day iPhone 14 Pro is now down to 89% after a mixture of wireless charging in the car and overnight charging (optimized) at night (with MagSafe mostly).

I'm probably going to try to forgo wireless charging altogether when my iPhone 15 Pro Max gets here and see how that affects battery health over the next year.
I’m positive that ditching MagSafe would get the battery degradation lower. I use Anker MagSafe charger in the car, and my 14PM gets quite hot while running CarPlay etc. Wouldn’t be surprised that since iPhone 14 is apparently notorious for dropping quicker compared to earlier models, that it is in some part due to more and more people wireless charging?
 
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I haven’t seen any way to keep the charge level on an iPad below 100% in any recent OS.

It's Apple controlled. Not saying this is the same feature, but it's clear iPadOS can limit charge regardless of Lightning or USB-C.

 
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By how much though?

If I go a year with this 20-80 cap, how much better is my battery going to be than someone who goes 0-100?

Answers on a postcard please?
Scientific sources only.

Many thanks!



If you don't want to read, think of it this way: When parking your car do you pull in at 100mph or 10mph and how close to the other cars or fence do you get? And Why? Basically the same principles at work, the electrons/ions are the cars and the battery is where they park.
 
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