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I'm wondering if they couldn't change out the controller on the boards in time before the iPhone 15 and Plus models went into manufacturing planning. While I'm not surprised these are stuck at USB 2 speeds, I thought for sure they'd add USB4 to the iPhone Pro models, but standard USB3.1 instead.
Uh no. The phones have been in production for the last few months already. The Pros are USB3 but we don't know what flavor of 3 it is. It's the base 15/Plus that are USB2.
 
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t get the big deal with the phones needing to use USB-C. I can’t remember the last time I plugged a phone in. Honestly I would have preferred a phone without any ports. Wasn‘t wireless charging the future?
Most people plug in their phones, even for charging. Even among those who charge wirelessly sometimes, many (if not most) still charge by cable at least in some situations. Others have situations that require data transfer by cable, such as those with wired CarPlay. Also, one thing that doesn't get discussed very much is that wireless charging comes with a fairly steep environmental cost in the aggregate, given the amount of energy loss involved. Bottom line is that even if "wireless charging is the future," there are many reasons to be happy the port is still there.
 
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Do Android phones require a special cable to take advantage of a higher data rate? 🤔
Even computers do. Similarly, A USB1.1 cable would not give you USB2.0 speeds.

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The EU wanted to force Apple to use MicroUSB previously; would you have been happy with a MicroUSB iPhone just because it was the standard port?
No, I’m not sure why you thought I was defending the EU regulations. I was/am happy with the Lightning port. I think the port and plug are superior to USB C. I don’t mind the switch to USB C though because it does simplify my charging cables.
 
No, I’m not sure why you thought I was defending the EU regulations. I was/am happy with the Lightning port. I think the port and plug are superior to USB C. I don’t mind the switch to USB C though because it does simplify my charging cables.
I think we're similar in this. I like Lightning but I'm also fine with the change to USB-C.
 
So I am curious - iPad plugged into iPhone with a data cable - can you just freely move files in the files app? Or does it just show up as a camera? And which direction?
 
Because USB-C wasn't theirs to restrict like they can do with Lightning. But what they can and ultimately did was to choose a lower transfer spec. We know it's USB2.0 data transfer speeds, we just have to wait for tests to show us if it's just limited to transfer or does power delivery is also gimped at USB2.0.
That’s due to a limitation with the A16 Bionic, not the port itself. The A16 Bionic doesn’t have a USB 3 controller unlike the A17 Pro.
 
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t get the big deal with the phones needing to use USB-C. I can’t remember the last time I plugged a phone in. Honestly I would have preferred a phone without any ports. Wasn‘t wireless charging the future?
Not just you. Majority of people don't get the big deal and think it's a hinderance. Most people prefer lightning.

It's just a small loud minority that made it seem like a big deal.
 
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I travel a lot and wireless charging is a pain in the ass. Takes too long when you quickly want to charge your phone before stepping out again and obviously nearly impossible to use to charge in the backpack. Also makes my phone turn hot. Can’t be good for its health
MagSafe battery is superior to a port on the phone while traveling. Effectively adds instant battery life to your iPhone.
 
I travel a lot and wireless charging is a pain in the ass. Takes too long when you quickly want to charge your phone before stepping out again and obviously nearly impossible to use to charge in the backpack. Also makes my phone turn hot. Can’t be good for its health
Wireless charging seems to be a problem, whatever the brand. The battery in my brother's top of the range Samsung heated up and swelled ultimately after he tried wireless charging. He has sworn off that innovation for life now.
Spot on! Still, many people will complain. Just because there's an opportunity to do so.
USB 3.0 has been around since Snow Leopard and Apple is still building USB 2.0 into its processors? Why change a winning formula? Apple was slow to add USB 2.0 to its computers and just as sluggish to move over to USB 3.0, charging a premium price while giving you last decade's hardware
Apple had/has the MFi certification but that doesn't prevent people from using non-certified accessories.
It does when non-sanctioned cables just stop working because Apple blocks them on detection.
 
Nope. It's a lose for consumers. Consumers own billions of working existing cables suddenly lost value.

With that mentality, we should still be using Firewire. It lasted for far longer than Lightning. Or serial & parallel before that.

Turn the page. Apple has finally finished turning the page themselves. And they are the ones who started this USB-C transition in major tech hardware.

And no value lost. All lightning stufff will still need lightning cables. By the time the last of the existing lightning tech finally conks, those fragile lightning cables will have likely frayed themselves dead. I have a few lightning things myself and I'll need lightning cables to use them until they conk.

In the meantime, the USB-C cables you'll need anyway with Macs or PCs, iPad or other tablets, Android or new iPhones will be able to sub in with what will soon be everything new from Apple. As you replace lightning stuff with USB-C stuff from Apple, you'll already own cables ready to work with them.
 
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Nope. It's a lose for consumers. Consumers own billions of working existing cables suddenly lost value.
Our household probably has around ten Lightning cables. We will keep two to use with our AirPods. If I were selling my iPhone I would include the rest with it, but since I will be trading in my phone I plan on giving them away. I will donate them to both the local women's shelter and assisted living facility where they will be used by people on tighter budgets than we are.

If I can afford a thousand dollar phone, I can absorb that "massive" loss in value.
 
I'm interested to know if next year if the iPhone 16 non Pro gets the full USB C 10Gbps speed when it gets the A17 processor or if the 'Pro' variant of the A17 is what allows for the full 10Gbps speed. If not related to that A17/ A17Pro is it limited by something else?
 
Nope. It's a lose for consumers. Consumers own billions of working existing cables suddenly lost value.
The switch to horseless carriages was a loss for consumers. Consumers owned billions of working buggy whips that suddenly lost value.

The world either moves on or it stagnates.
 
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Nope. It's a lose for consumers. Consumers own billions of working existing cables suddenly lost value.
It’s a win for my family members and friends who will have non-15 iPhones/iPads/iDevices for years to come. I’ll keep a handful of my USB-C lightning cables for my gen 9 iPad, and give the rest away.

I’ll probably end up giving away more than fifteen, between the USB-A to lightning and the USB-C to lighting cables.

That doesn’t include the one that died this morning. Grrrr.

They’ll all get used until they die, though.
 
With that mentality, we should still be using Firewire. It lasted for far longer than Lightning. Or serial & parallel before that.
Wireless is superior than USB-C

MagSafe battery adds 50% battery life effectively instantly.
No need for any cable to display out to a screen.
For most file transfer tasks, I can complete it via AirDrop before you even plug into the computer.
AirPods is more convenient than any wired headphone.

Therefore by your mentality, we should get rid of USB-C port and force wireless for all.
 
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The switch to horseless carriages was a loss for consumers. Consumers owned billions of working buggy whips that suddenly lost value.

The world either moves on or it stagnates.

Terrible analogy. Most customers are hindered by the USB-C switch because most simply just charge via lightning on a day to day basis.

Switching away from horse allowed customers to go faster, carry more, with less maintenance.
 
It’s a win for my family members and friends who will have non-15 iPhones/iPads/iDevices for years to come
Or we could just keep the cable until whatever is next. I don't believe for a second that USB-C port will forever be permanent on phones.
 
Wireless charging seems to be a problem, whatever the brand. The battery in my brother's top of the range Samsung heated up and swelled ultimately after he tried wireless charging. He has sworn off that innovation for life now.

USB 3.0 has been around since Snow Leopard and Apple is still building USB 2.0 into its processors? Why change a winning formula? Apple was slow to add USB 2.0 to its computers and just as sluggish to move over to USB 3.0, charging a premium price while giving you last decade's hardware

It does when non-sanctioned cables just stop working because Apple blocks them on detection.

Apple first introduced USB2.0 in 2003 in the Powerbooks and iPod; five years after USB 1.1 in the iMac. It took 9 years for Macs to get USB-3.0 because Apple was using Firewire and Thunderbolt/Displayport instead. We can probably thank Ive's obsession with thinness for putting USB-C on the 12" MacBook, which was the first computer to have it, because the Thunderbolt port was too tall.
 
Whew. I have a bunch of USB Type A to USB Type C and USB Type c to USB Type C cables at home. At least I can still use the Aukey 20 W and Anker 735 65 W USB-C chargers with no issues.
 
The average age of vehicles on the road today is 12.5 years which means there are a lot of cars that only support wired CarPlay.

Yep - my Kia is 10 years old and doesn’t support CarPlay at all, let alone wirelessly, so I rely on using a usb - lightning cable to connect my
14 Pro in iPod mode because while the stereo does also support Bluetooth audio it’s a very basic implementation which doesn’t even show track information. I think we are many years away from a portless iphone for this and also dfu recovery reasons - if an iOS update borked a portless phone how would you go about recovering it at home? The only portless device currently is the Apple Watch and last time I checked if an update fails and needs recovery on those you have to send them back to Apple.
 
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