This is the previous verbiage, and it means nanoSIM + eSIM or 2x eSIM, exactly as you say.
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iPhone 15 Models Sold Outside U.S. Still Have Physical SIM Card Tray
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Even if you had all eSIMs on your phone at one point, many if not most eSIMs won't be portable to another phone when you change (or upgrade) your device. With your main carrier that might not be an issue. With eSIM from anther country it could prove to be a huge PITA.
It's what's on the compare page in a desktop website right now. Not sure why mobile reads strange. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-15-pro-max,iphone-15-pro,iphone-13-mini
I put my current phone into the comparison because I know it has a SIM slot.
It is really not that hard with esim. I was in a developing country and their local carrier had esim.
The carrier will give you a QR code to scan for setup.
I had three esim lines and I could turn each on or off depending where I am going.
Honestly its so much better than carrying sim cards.
Yup, Tim Cook penny-pinching yet again by excluding SIM trays in the U.S. in order to make more money for himself and his beloved shareholders.
Newsflash, Tim Cook: There actually are some people in the U.S. who have passports and travel abroad! Shocking, isn't it? And when they are abroad, the quickest, easiest, and cheapest way to get local phone service is to buy a local SIM card.
Not everyone is a morbidly rich corporate scumbag like you, Tim Cook, who can afford international voice and data roaming.
Newsflash, Tim Cook: There actually are some people in the U.S. who have passports and travel abroad! Shocking, isn't it? And when they are abroad, the quickest, easiest, and cheapest way to get local phone service is to buy a local SIM card.
Not everyone is a morbidly rich corporate scumbag like you, Tim Cook, who can afford international voice and data roaming.
Phone itself is $70 USD more in Canada with current exchange rate. And then taxes might be higher in Canada also... So $100 for the sim tray. Canadian living in the US here and moving back soon, like 1 week after the release of iPhone 15s. So no transportation cost. But still, dilemma.
How about when you change phone from one to another? Say you have an iPhone and an Android? Probably a pain with eSIM vs physical SIM?
Not to mention if you like to change phones a lot. iPhone for a month, Android next month, etc.
I gotta say, I love the fact UK still has the SIM tray. Must like most of the comments, I travel a lot for work, but the jobs I work on usually provide us with a hideously old Android phone that has everyone’s number pre-loaded on to it, and that’s our main method of communication for two months at a time. Which means carrying around two phones at all times, and then turning on tethering every time you leave the hotel Wi-Fi. And remembering to turn it off, of course.
Once I switched my personal to e-SIM, all I have to do is transfer the numbers I need on to the SIM and then plug it in to my personal phone. Easy peasy, one phone carried with me at all time, data used like a normal phone. This I wouldn’t be able to do if there was no sim tray, but eventually I’m sure all phones will abandon sim trays, and I’ll be back to two phones like Walter White.
It’s a minute, 1st world problem to be annoyed at having to carry two phones, but man does it make life a little bit easier on the road. Now if I could find a way to mass delete the numbers out of my contacts after the job…
Once I switched my personal to e-SIM, all I have to do is transfer the numbers I need on to the SIM and then plug it in to my personal phone. Easy peasy, one phone carried with me at all time, data used like a normal phone. This I wouldn’t be able to do if there was no sim tray, but eventually I’m sure all phones will abandon sim trays, and I’ll be back to two phones like Walter White.
It’s a minute, 1st world problem to be annoyed at having to carry two phones, but man does it make life a little bit easier on the road. Now if I could find a way to mass delete the numbers out of my contacts after the job…
agreed. it must benefit apple in some way, and be bad for US consumers in the inverse.
No way! I think you've got that the wrong way around. A great bonus of eSIM is that you can buy international data for pretty much all countries online, ready to go so that you do not have to mess around buying a SIM card at the airport or at a convenience store in some country where you don't speak their language and you don't have any local currency yet. There are some great deals on international eSIM data too. eSIMS are superb for international travel!
if you look at the canadian site and comapre to american, you can see its got the sim tray (also no mmWave still)
SIM card slots suck so bad that I'm literally driving to Canada to buy an 15 Pro Max with one.
(Will also be buying forbidden Canadian sunscreen. Those crazy Canadians, with their SIM cards and good sunscreens.).
(Will also be buying forbidden Canadian sunscreen. Those crazy Canadians, with their SIM cards and good sunscreens.).
Same. I had an eSIM fail on me once. It was the physical SIM that saved the day.
I think Apple going eSIM only in the UK would be the only thing that could push me from the iOS ecosystem to Android...
Generally true if you're a tourist who wants to look at Google Maps and Translate. Most (all?) of the time, these plans are data only and can't make phone calls, making them useless for business travel.
I don't get the "well, in my case I've never needed an e-sim" arguments. Like, just leave the physical sim tray and you can all continue to use your e-sim, it literally wouldn't affect you to have a sim tray. It's dumb to remove a feature just for one country out of some platitude argument.
I just checked the Apple Store app on my phone and didn’t find that bullet point in the “tech specs” section of iPhone 15 pro and 15 Pro Max.
The Canadian models support all the US frequencies except for mmWave, which still is only used in a handful of cities. I drove across the border last year to get my Canadian 14 Pro, and it works fine in the US.
Refuse to buy iphone because of this esim mess. So far enjoying my Fold 5. I don't understand why we can't have a choice.
