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iPhone 15 Pro Leak Reveals Unified Volume Button and Mute Button

Tozovac said:
What thread are you reading? Minority? The most-liked post in this thread is pro-switch:


This is just on the 1st page of replies:









Why exactly is it "desperately" in need? What is the current design flaw or broken design element with the switch?



I'm sincerely interested in hearing of a few specific examples of what you consider to be a useful alternative to reassign the mute button/switch to. General "wish/want" statements hold no water or value unless you can describe what the current broken design issue is, and perhaps a recommendation of what's valuable to you in place of the current design. If you could reassign the mute button switch to something, what would you reassign it to do?
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Well as you’re so obviously right (although most likes means nothing because as I said few people care) Cupertino is bound to listen to you so you have nothing to fear.
 
martint235 said:
Well as you’re so obviously right (although most likes means nothing because as I said few people care) Cupertino is bound to listen to you so you have nothing to fear.
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Ha ha, I won nothing. I'm not worried about Cupertino listening or not listening to me.

I was more curious about whether you were "listening" to this thread or just listening to what you wanted to hear. Beyond my most-liked example, did you also read that even the 1st page of this thread is full of folk unhappy with the idea of this particular change?

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Apple's gonna do what Apple's gonna do, even if it seems less about fixing a broken design but more for "something new," etc.

Changes not based on fixing a broken design (like iOS7, the butterfly keyboard, removing discrete function keys and useful data/charge ports) seem to eventually get fixed and reversed, evidenced by the slow-to-return-but-trend-back-nonetheless un-flattening the iOS/OSX interface, and bringing back useful ports/function keys/durable keyboards, etc.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
what on earth are you talking about, if anything, this makes the buttons on the side of the phone even *more* expensive.
Now they have to be touch sensitive, now they have to have haptic engines underneath each one, now they have to develop new ways to hard reset the iPhone…
It is literally the opposite of cost-cutting what they are doing here.
Cost-cutting would be them leaving it the same for another year
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How would leaving them the same *cut* costs?
 
Can they remove the Flashlight from the touch screen, Pul-leeze? I do not know how many times it has come on in my pocket.
 
compwiz1202 said:
If you know how you put it in your pocket and you know which way is mute on the switch, you put your hand in your pocket and try to move it, if it doesn;t move, it's already muted. If it moves and vibrates, it wasn't but now is.
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Exactly. It requires an attempt to move it which is basically identical to what we'll be doing with the new button (press it).

I always put my phone in the same pocket, the same orientation every time. Of course, I also always have my phone muted, so I'm not checking that frequently, but I know which way to push if I want to change the orientation. Regardless, without that attempt to push it, I can't really tell just by feel in which position it's in.

In the end, this isn't a significant change from a usability perspective.
 
eoblaed said:
In the end, this isn't a significant change from a usability perspective.
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The world will learn to survive if this change ever comes to be, but I couldn’t disagree with you more. Nothing beats the quick visual check of its state. Sometimes you forget the state you left it in or are unsure, and a quick glance is all it takes. I would not want to repeatedly keep touching and holding to check it.

If the change is not that significant, then why not just leave it alone. 🙂 😉
 
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I use the mute SWITCH regularly, like every day.
(I mute the phone during my sleeping hours, as I do NOT wish to be woken up by incoming texting or message dings, etc. Phone messages go to voicemail no problem. But the wake-me-up alarm functions well even with iPhone muted.)
Having a mute toggle on/off button makes no actual USER improvement sense.
If I accidentally press it while grabbing my phone from pocket or pack, or to silence a call or something, now i'll be required to take the phone out and look at it to figure out if it is muted or not.
Really stupid design change.
I agree with the posted comments which suggest Apple may be employing the disingenuous (and arrogant IMO) "COURAGE" excuse, as Tim used last time a big feature was removed. Seems Apple is just looking to make stupid changes to justify either more purchases, or more differentiation.

Yes, I have an iPhone (11) for fyi, and it is very useful. But really Apple, lets get back to basics and good UI functionality, where you provide good/better products with sensible features.
 
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Tozovac said:
The world will learn to survive if this change ever comes to be, but I couldn’t disagree with you more. Nothing beats the quick visual check of its state. Sometimes you forget the state you left it in or are unsure, and a quick glance is all it takes. I would not want to repeatedly keep touching and holding to check it.

If the change is not that significant, then why not just leave it alone. 🙂 😉
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Plus I just think it would be easier to accidentally push the button than switch the switch. There was only one iPhone model with the weird shaped switch where it would sometimes get unmuted in my pocket.
 
beginnersview said:
I agree with the posted comments which suggest Apple may be employing the disingenuous (and arrogant IMO) "COURAGE" excuse, as Tim used last time a big feature was removed. Seems Apple is just looking to make stupid changes to justify either more purchases, or more differentiation.
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It’s definitely a real challenge for some to know when to put your pencils down…to recognize when design element is so very optimized that it needs no major further changes. When any changes are just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
 
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Tozovac said:
It’s definitely a real challenge for some to know when to put your pencils down…to recognize when design element is so very optimized that it needs no major further changes. When any changes are just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
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Some people don’t like change. After all someone has to rearrange deck chairs.
 
Wonder how cases will work - or whether it will be a large cutout in the case, meaning you have to physically touch the buttons……
 
I7guy said:
Some people don’t like change. After all someone has to rearrange deck chairs.
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The best change is based on:
1) to fix something, or
2) that doesn't make things noticeably worse than before, or
3) both 1) & 2) combined (the sweet spot for change)

I feel bad for people who completely don't like change. That's a losing proposition for them, change is inevitable.

But I dislike people who rearrange deck chairs just to rearrange deck chairs and not because they're laid out inefficiently, or are completely out of order, or result in several steps backwards than before that should not be overlooked.
 
It does feel like change for the sake of change and on something that really didn’t need it. Give me a mechanical button over a haptic one any day of the week. It’s bad enough haptic buttons are now creeping into our cars as they just aren’t as good.

There’s quite a few things I see on iPhones that I hope each year Apple will address and they don’t, yet something like the mute switch is leaked as a rumour. How about sorting Siri out so it actually works properly? How about improving Maps? How about putting some effort into the weather app after they bought Dark Sky and ruined it? How about focusing on the standard iPhones and making them appealing with triple camera systems and ProMotion? The list goes on but we’re probably getting a new mute switch .
 
Tozovac said:
The best change is based on:
1) to fix something, or
2) that doesn't make things noticeably worse than before, or
3) both 1) & 2) combined (the sweet spot for change)

I feel bad for people who completely don't like change. That's a losing proposition for them, change is inevitable.

But I dislike people who rearrange deck chairs just to rearrange deck chairs and not because they're laid out inefficiently, or are completely out of order, or result in several steps backwards than before that should not be overlooked.
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We don’t know if these changes won’t ultimately be a better consumer proposition.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
It does feel like change for the sake of change and on something that really didn’t need it. Give me a mechanical button over a haptic one any day of the week. It’s bad enough haptic buttons are now creeping into our cars as they just aren’t as good.

There’s quite a few things I see on iPhones that I hope each year Apple will address and they don’t, yet something like the mute switch is leaked as a rumour. How about sorting Siri out so it actually works properly? How about improving Maps? How about putting some effort into the weather app after they bought Dark Sky and ruined it? How about focusing on the standard iPhones and making them appealing with triple camera systems and ProMotion? The list goes on but we’re probably getting a new mute switch .
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I think they are working on Siri. What’s wrong with maps, in your opinion. I like it. Not to say it’s at the pinnacle of perfection. Nothing is. I don’t know about standard iPhones, that’s a cost issue and they may not want to raise the price. Or are you suggesting apple should make less on its hardware?
 
I7guy said:
We don’t know if these changes won’t ultimately be a better consumer proposition.
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The fact that a haptic button would not let me instantly know the mute state without even touching the phone, and sometimes by feel without even looking at it is already the definition of a step backwards.
 
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Tozovac said:
The fact that a haptic button would not let me instantly know the mute state without even touching the phone, and sometimes by feel without even looking at it is already the definition of a step backwards.
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Maybe there will be a small indicator on it. I’m open to change. We’ll see.
 
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Tozovac said:
So take something that’s already simple and has a built-in indicator, to something new with some kind of separate indicator. Ok I see the potential breakthrough. 🙂
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Make something that isn’t as water tight as can be and make it more water tight? Ok, I see no benefit in that. /s
 
joehohoho said:
Yes feels more like a change to cut costs than to make a better user experience though I’ll reserve judgement until I’ve tried it.

This has been their trend recently though finding ways to cut costs like with the headphone adapter, charger etc…
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They already have a hefty margin on the iPhone. Wonder of they are reading the tea leaves and not liking the result.
 
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