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These will be hell for case makers. Every case will have to have a cutout for the buttons no matter what the shape or thickness is. The mute switch is already hard enough to use with a thick case, imagine having to deal with the volume buttons...
 
Maybe that long button is for touch? I can't imagine they would make it that big if it wasn't touch sensitive. A volume rocker could be made smaller.

But what kind of monster doesn't keep their phone on mute constantly? Nobody wants to hear your phone ring. Every year when I get a new iPhone I put it on mute and I don't touch it unless changing cases accidentally flips the switch. Especially if you have an Apple Watch there is no reason to change it.

Who even uses their phone enough to justify it in 2023 unless you're running your business through it? Every phone call I get it from some unknown spam number and I block them. Even my doctor just securely messages me through their system and I can view results in Apple Health. Even electricians, plumbers, etc just text me. The only real person who calls me a few times per month is my wife or my grandparents and even my grandparents text me most of the time using their iPad.
Same just my wife for phone calls. Rarely my parents. Everything else is messages/emails.
 
More than just meetings, this will literally send somebody to jail.

Judges HATE when phones ring in their courtrooms. They especially hate it when attorney phones ring. And this is going to result in accidental unmutes.

It's annoying in meetings. It can get you locked up for contempt in court.
I just had to report for Jury Dury selection on Monday, and I turned if OFF. Muting has never failed me, but I still wouldn't trust it in a courtroom.
 
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Apple can do whatever they want to the volume buttons but please leave my mute switch alone.
Agree. I actually like the sliding volume as long as you can set the sensitivity. Don't want it to go up/down 60% by barely moving my finger.
 
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By the way, the Max Tech YouTube channel thinks the new buttons on the iPhone 15 Pro may have a functionality like that of the Apple Watch Ultra with user programmable operations. That's why they went away from the physical buttons.
 
Mute button is not something I’ll ever see as an advantage over the switch, which quickly tells me if the phone is muted or not upon touching it or looking at it. Change for the sake of change.

The difference between muted and not muted on the current switch is about 0.75mm. I challenge anyone to really be able to tell the position of the switch by feel alone, in a pocket. Most people would flip it one way or the other, wait for the vibration feedback, then flip it again if needed to go into silent mode.
 
The difference between muted and not muted on the current switch is about 0.75mm. I challenge anyone to really be able to tell the position of the switch by feel alone, in a pocket. Most people would flip it one way or the other, wait for the vibration feedback, then flip it again if needed to go into silent mode.

It's quite easy to feel the gap, especially if you have a case. If it is near to the back of the phone then it is on, if it is near to the screen then it is off. It is not rocket science or require any high precision measuring tools.
 
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I am also a dodgy guy with questionable relationships and much prefer the physical mute switch because I can reach into my pocket and feel-check that I am indeed in mute mode.
 
I can tell if my phone is muted or not, and change it, if it's in my pocket. I don't want this button. I like the switch.

Also I hope the volume buttons aren't capacitive as I can currently change volume through my pocket or with gloves on.
You'll still be able to do that. Just click the button and the device will vibrate. I assume it'll be similar to the current setup with some minor tweaks so like unmute is a single vibration/tap, mute is 2 or 3 taps in a row. So you can easily just click it and feel if it's muted or not.

The buttons won't be capacitive, I guarantee it. The ONLY reason why the iPhone SE/Series 8 home button and the MacBook trackpads are capacitive is because they need to be (finger print scanner, trackpad) but the buttons have no need to be capacitive. They will simply be force sensitive. All cases will still be able to have covered buttons and they will still work with gloves, I guarantee it. Apple is not dumb.
 
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Why?
Most customers use cases, I hope Apple keeps in mind what most customers are doing.
Also, Apple *sells* cases

Why?
Most customers use cases, I hope Apple keeps in mind what most customers are doing.
Also, Apple *sells* cases

They can have it in mind, sure. But they should never compromise a feature or leave something out because most people use a case. The iPhone is its own product, not half a product.

And the point is kinda irrelevant here since it seems cases would negatively affect this solid state button far more than the switch.
 
Nothing like just reaching it in your pocket with a finger and turn it to mute. Done.
You can still do that. Just click the button and the vibrations will tell you if its in mute or not. Similar to the current setup; when you click it to mute it virates 3 times in quick succession and when you click it to unmute it doesnt vibrate. I bet Apple will port this behaviour over but it'll be 1 tap for unmute and 3 for mute. So you will still be able to just click the button in your pocket and easily tell if it's muted or not.
 
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Hopefully, they (a) work in a case, (b) work with gloves on and (c) don't accidentally trigger in a pocket.

If it's anything like the macbook trackpad, it'll fail (a) and (b), so I'm expecting something different.
Why would it be like the trackpad? The trackpad is capacitive because it needs to be able to sense your finger. The buttons will simply be pressure sensitive so yes they will work in a case and with gloves. As for (c), the beauty of pressure sensitive buttons is that they are software controlled meaning that Apple can tune how they respond to force and set a limit for the ammount of force required to activate the button. They may even allow users to customise it in the accessibility settings but I would guess that they will tune it to be almost exactly the same as the physical buttons that they currently have. It was the same when going from the iPhone 7 physical home button to the iPhone 8 pressure sensitive button. The iPhone 8 wasnt any harder or easier to press, it felt almost exactly the same.
 
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Probably for waterproofing. So not for nothing. Doesn't mean it is an important feature for everyone, but it isn't an example of 'change for changes sake' I don't think, since there IS a likely reason.

I do like that MUTE could become just another setting I can adjust like VOLUME now. Or even with Siri. (Probably.)
Siri: I’m sorry, I didn’t understand that. Would you like me to research ”MOAT” on the web for you?
Me: Hey Siri, please enable the ‘Mute’ function on my phone.
Siri: You would like me to play Mute, and other similar artists. Playing Music now.
Me: …
 
Siri: I’m sorry, I didn’t understand that. Would you like me to research ”MOAT” on the web for you?
Me: Hey Siri, please enable the ‘Mute’ function on my phone.
Siri: You would like me to play Mute, and other similar artists. Playing Music now.
Me: …
Haha yes Siri is a bit Silly sometimes. But she works pretty well most of the time. Cant wait for real AI language integration so she can understand context and multiple commands at a time.
 
Yep unless as I said elsewhere unless they have significant camera changes (one of of my big uses) I will stay with my 14 ProMax for extra year and see what the 16 Pro series brings, we shall see this fall
I’m relatively happy with my 14 Pro Max. Though it does have the problem of regularly quitting/crashing the Music app when I save too many songs/artists/favorites in one go. What is ‘too many?’ — it totally depends on the day. Sometimes very few.

Otherwise, for me it depends on what useful new features they bring to the phone. I really would like USB-C, just because nearly everything else I own now uses USB-C, and having to carry a separate Lightning charger and cable when traveling is annoying. But that alone wouldn’t be enough for me to upgrade.

I would love to see a new hardware-based hi-fi wireless audio codec built into the phone, so that we can have lossless or at least near-lossless audio streaming to wireless headphones. I don’t think we’ll see anything like that soon.

As to the camera, I would still like to see more low-light improvement, particularly in the front-facing camera.

But, I may wait for the 16 Pro/Max/Ultra. We’ll see.
 
The phone is already waterproof, and has been for several iterations.

The existing mute switch is already waterproof.

Current iPhone only needs a rubber ring where the switch assembly meets the phone chassis. Capacitive button won’t change that. If a capacitive button were needed for waterproofing, it would be implemented already in Watch/Ultra.

Ah, I see. I guess I'm way out of date information-wise. I was thinking the iPhone was still just water resistant and not water proof and thought having buttons that weren't actually buttons but just "bumps" on the side of the case would help improve that.

Thanks for the update! 👍
 
„Hey Siri, mute phone!“ -
„Working on it … „

You want to use Siri to activate Mute?? Think about that for a sec.

Siri: I’m sorry, I didn’t understand that. Would you like me to research ”MOAT” on the web for you?
Me: Hey Siri, please enable the ‘Mute’ function on my phone.
Siri: You would like me to play Mute, and other similar artists. Playing Music now.
Me: …

I get it, I get it, not one of my more well thought out comments... haha

I promise, I'll be good.
 
This is the debate that has been had with cars. Can’t have something with a physical indicator of a setting that’s changed by software.

Seems there’s been a lot of pushback there as well and some cars even went back to physical controls.

Oh I agree completely with, for example, touch screens... I'm always going on to friends who aren't nearly as bothered about it as I am how I just want buttons and controls and not to have to hunt something down on a screen, WHILE I'm driving. I know exactly where my volume knob, AC controls and everything else are on my car without looking even for a second. When I'm in a touch screen car, it very much seems like form over function failure to me. At least keep ALL the basics physical, and put the more advanced stuff ONLY on the screen.

I'm curious if this is a little different, though... I mean, the physical shape of the button is there, that you'd be able to "feel" for if you are used to doing that, and if they used haptic response, it would even give feedback to a degree like you activated a button or switch so you know you did it, etc. An on/off (mute) and volume (up is up, down is down, no more confusion about which is which than we currently have) seem like good choices for this type of "virtual" button.

This seems like it could be a pretty decent compromise between the two. A physical thing with size and shape that simulates a button close enough that it, probably for the most part, still seems like a button, but can of course be software controlled since it isn't actually a physical button/switch, certainly piques my interest.

The iPhone 15 (most likely Pro Max or whatever they rename the "big pro") will be my next phone this fall, I'm pretty interested to see how these controls works and feel.
 
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