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Can’t have software without hardware and they are allegedly still testing hardware aspects. It’s going to be an iPhone 16 feature.
The hardware is complete. The software is now being tested to decide what works best for users.

Will the new action button be customizable, act like the old home button, or just replicate mute?

All three options are possible with finished hardware, and could be added in subsequent software updates.
 
Sounds good, but it seems like a workaround rather than adressing the true problem, and at some point I hope Apple opts for bigger, better batteries even if the thickness increases, so that I can get through a full day even after the battery degrades over routine use.
 
So this goes back to Edward Snowden's theory of your smartphone never being turned off even though you powered it down 🤔
Smartphones (probably all) for the longest time have never really powered off, because there is no physical on and off switch that actually cuts power to the battery. This iteration to me increases water-proofing and maybe allows for different uses of the buttons in different scenarios.
 
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i'm more concerned about how this works with cases.

will case makes be able to make buttons that simulate a finger touch? i mean like know how you get those gloves you can wear to use your phone without taking your gloves off? maybe they can put a new material inside so that the button recognises the press?

i'll tell ya one thing, if i can't use a case with the new iPhone then i ain't buying an iPhone.


i never use the mute switch so being able to change it to something useful would be cool.
I’m sure there will be solutions for that, just like screen protectors work on your phone’s capacitive screen. Moving to software powered buttons is potentially a very powerful idea: different functionality for different applications! How about zooming during filming? Just slide your finger. I like it!
 
So they’ve replaced some buttons with touch controls and a micro processor and all the other functions and hardware required for all that, just to replace some buttons… and then they’ll apparently increase the price, just to replace some buttons oh and a switch…

Cant innovate anymore my a**…

I’m sure it’ll be a great device and perform very well, but this does seem a bit like change for the sake of change and to warrant you buying a new iPhone does it not?
The good thing is all these new buttons will be unbreakable.

Also, could probably enable Apple Pay when device is turned off ?
 
For some reason I believe the customisation will come with iOS 18 with the iPhone 16 Ultra Max that has the sec-gen ultra low power mode chip. iPhone 15 won't be able to customise the solid state buttons due to older gen chips.

Sound familiar?
 
We’re almost five months away from September launch, if this core button functionality is still in hardware testing it will be in the iPhone 16, not the 15.
The original article made it clear that the section you quoted is entirely powered by software, so… Not really.
Apple kept messing around with the always on display settings months after the 14 pro came out, adding options and changing designs, and allowing it to be used in more circumstances.
So yes, they’re still probably working on exactly how it’s going to work in software, and I guarantee you that we’ll see minor changes in 17.1 and 17.2 and 17.3 to address day one concerns.
 
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Nobody disagrees with asking questions. The problem is that you can’t even be bothered to read the article.

You turn the phone on by pressing the power button, which works since the low power chip is always running.

Only when your phone battery is completely empty this won’t work. But then again, you wouldn’t be able to use your phone without energy anyway.
Thanks for clarification.
I read the article but it wasn’t 100% clear.
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The real question on everyone’s mind is will the foldable iPhone still fold when it’s powered off?
 
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I assume this is motivated at least in part by the desire to have a more waterproof/resistant device? If it's part of a more ambitious, longer term effort to due away with protective cases entirely....that makes a lot more sense. Having to keep a pretty phone in an ugly case is one of the number one issues with cell phones in general.

I can't imagine they believe this to be a highly coveted feature in isolation.
 
Home buttons did fail a lot in earlier iPhones (so people had to use that assistive touch thing because a new home button was pricey). Replacing the physical button with the taptic engine solved that and it also made trackpads on MacBooks infinitely better.

Honestly buttons on iPhones can feel cheap, especially on a $1000+ device. It sucks when they rattle, get a bit stuck from grime or the silent switch not having that satisfying click like on day 1.
If your iPhone buttons get stuck from grime, I would hate to see the inside of your primary domicile.
 
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I wish! But knowing Apple we will only get a limited option with little to no customisation options. Just look at the iPhone lockscreen. They finally did something with it but we still cannot replace or hide the damn flashlight and / or camera button!
Fully agree! Plus tapping on those buttons don't even work. Amazing how their QA dept. missed that. For years and years.
 
I hear what you are saying, But does there have to be a problem too before something is changed? I get the "if it's not broke, don't fix it" ethos, but then they get accused of not innovating. Why not make things that are perfectly good even better??

Because like every revolutionary (at the time) product, what was once new and amazing (smart phones) eventually becomes a commodity.

I can remember when my IIGS was something sorta special. When pushing computers to their performance limits was really cool because few people had done it, it was amazing to make it do more, and you were excited about what came next. It was worth paying thousands of dollars for something you would have for 5 plus years. With the drives, the monitor and the printer, the darn thing cost more than a used car at the time.

I bought a new MBP last June. It' has a lot of cool new features over my 2019 MBP and I like the unit. But I bought it primarily because the keyboard on the old one was crap and I type a lot of reports. It's a great computer and it's worth every penny I paid for it.

But computers are basically everywhere now. Including in your pocket. There's nothing special about them anymore.

So when your iPhone is basically commoditized on the level of being a toaster or a fridge, you end up making toaster ovens, multi slice toasters, and fridges with computer screens and WiFi in them. Or in this case, changing the buttons around on a phone to try and do something "new".

It's not that they're making it "better". That's subjective. But they're not going to sit there and put out the same phone two years in a row when they've been putting out new ones for 14 years now.

If you're gonna do that, you may as well go off and make dorm refrigerators.
 
Curious how the new mute button will work then. Now I can (especially in a meeting) look at the side of my phone and know I am on mute or not. Will the new version have a clear symbol in the Always On Display I suppose? What if I do not use the always on display feature? Could they keep the very top of the screen on only if I am on mute so it clearly shows on the screen perhaps?
 
Seems like they are running out of things to overengineer at this point.
I was wondering the same. What has been problematic about physical push or toggle buttons? I haven't seen problems with them, but are there ones I don't know about or haven't experienced?

That said, perhaps the design is to test out a concept or see how a concept plays out in the field. I can get that.
 
So they’ve replaced some buttons with touch controls and a micro processor and all the other functions and hardware required for all that, just to replace some buttons… and then they’ll apparently increase the price, just to replace some buttons oh and a switch…

Cant innovate anymore my a**…

I’m sure it’ll be a great device and perform very well, but this does seem a bit like change for the sake of change and to warrant you buying a new iPhone does it not?
I'm sure the goal is to make the iPhone more and more waterproof. Buttons and charging ports are all that's left to get rid of.
 
The source also claims that the new low-energy capacitive features are currently being tested with and without Taptic Engine feedback while powered off, but not while the battery is dead

two functional versions of the rumored new unified volume button in testing, including one where the volume goes up/down faster depending on the amount of force used when pressed, and another where the volume can be adjusted by swiping up and down on the button with a finger. They do not know which method will be adopted for the final release, but these features are enabled by software, so this functionality may well be user-customizable
This sure sounds a lot to me like the engineering team got permission from the top to leak this out, and let the public battle out which they’d prefer so they can go with that choice. 😂
 
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Curious how the new mute button will work then. Now I can (especially in a meeting) look at the side of my phone and know I am on mute or not. Will the new version have a clear symbol in the Always On Display I suppose? What if I do not use the always on display feature? Could they keep the very top of the screen on only if I am on mute so it clearly shows on the screen perhaps?
I too simply look at the switch. I guess we'll just have to wait 3 or 4 years for them to reintroduce the buttons. Bit like the TouchBar, butterfly keyboard, HomePod...
 
I get the low energy chip but besides power how do you do self recovery if iOS is frozen and unable to process the button functions?
Same way you do now.
Again as stated several times in this thread, even when you "shut down" or restart your phone, it never entirely shuts off.
 
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