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iPhone 15 Pro Max's 5x Optical Zoom Lens Enables 25x Digital Zoom

AudriusN said:
OMG. What about wide angle zoom lenses like Tokina AT-X PRO SD 14-20mm F2?
Wide/ultrawide lenses are shorter anyways, why would you fold them?
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How short are ultra-wide zooms? Like 5mm?
Optical zoom needs moving parts, size is more about zoom range than focal length.
At least with phone sized periscopes.

Folding is also the only way to get real optical zoom.
If that's necessary.

I don't have a pro model. I usually don't shoot video with a phone.
Can you already zoom fluently when recording video, with pro model, from wide-angle to tele?
 
DeepIn2U said:
Why can’t a lens be made for ultra wide be positioned or setup to achieve such pictures be mounted over the Normal lens? Either automatically managed or by a proper threaded add-on the end user chooses to bring and use when they want it.

For over a decade, in my mind, taking pictures forma. Single camera phone worked for a wide shot when I wanted to but rarely did I ever want an ultra wide. Is it me or the phone industry pushed this into the public when it really wasn’t asked for (??) or am I completely wrong?

Is it hard to gauge consumers wants in what the camera can do in a phone when a specific focus began showing up in say the first 5 phones on market vs other features of the phone that end users have purchased a phone model of choice having ultra wide when it first was introduced?
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I really don't understand your question.
Are you asking why all can't be done with single fixed focal length camera?

Maybe something like 0,5% would like to have a phone with interchangeable lens.
And 0,1% would buy it.

I have iP11 now. I'd change that ultra-wide to tele in a heart beat.

I have hesitated to buy a new iP just because I hate that Apple wants $300 or $500 (maybe?) for that tele lens.
That is the only thing I would need from pro model.
Maybe I buy a used pro now and change that to "5x pro" next year...?
 
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Is it correct that the regular 15 an 15 plus dont support 28mm and 35 mm focal lengths=crops from the main sensor? There doesnt seem to be a reason for that, as the main sensor is also 48mpx and can already crop to the virtual 48mm 2x “telephoto” lens. Business decision to make people buy pros?
 
“CarlJ said:
I have heard that, in the more recent iPhones, the sensor is taking multiple/continuous images that the processor is combining into a single image, and if you zoom in digitally, it puts more effort into the zoomed in area. This is something that cannot be achieved by just cropping in post - you don't have access to all those other images the phone used.
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Right, it’s capturing additional real world photons. It’d be very easy for anyone that doubts it to run a simple test, but that takes more time than a flaming hot take. :)
 

didn't quite get what he talks about, but since i DO think about getting the Pro Max, should i be worried?
 
I know I'm late to the party here, but either Apple needs to catch up to the incredible zoom on the Galaxy S23 Ultra, or stop making zoom a headline feature. Sorry, Samsung won that one. By a long shot (pun intended.)

Apple's phones do lots of stuff very well and better than the competition but this is not one of them. I don't think they can even argue over quality. The zoom shots I've seen from the S23 are so clear that text is smooth and readable, text that was not even recognizable as text in the un-zoomed pictures.
 
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roeiz said:

didn't quite get what he talks about, but since i DO think about getting the Pro Max, should i be worried?
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He is being really ignorant. I know without watching what he is saying. Ppl are pretending Apple said the iPhone has 7 lens nope they said it’s like having 7 lenses. Just watch the event for yourself. And get one it is a great phone just like all iPhones are.
 
840quadra said:
Considering the camera is not a periscope style that sends light down the body of the device, I see little reason why this (minor bump in zoom) is not also on the regular 15 Pro as well.

They could have shifted some boards and such to allow for it in both phones, now we again have a feature mismatch between their flagship which is nonsensical.

Despite wanting it, likely not forking the cash as I want a smaller phone more than I want 2x more zoom.
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A tetraprism is basically a periscope, or a way to bend light multiple times through glass, which is a tool other phone makers have used in their cameras since 2017 to bring faraway subjects closer to your smartphone.https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-phones/148644/the-iphone-15-pro-max-has-a-tetraprism-camera-what-the-heck-is-that

MrWhoseTheBoss in his review said the iPhone 3x looks better than the Samsung 3 or 10x.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
Any video thumbnail with “THE TRUTH” on it most likely is not. :)
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did you even bother to have a look?
can you tell me why is it nonsense?
or does it have any logic?
maybe it's some of the truth?
can someone with a bit of knowledge on this please elaborate?
tnx
 
roeiz said:
but

did you even bother to have a look?
can you tell me why is it nonsense?
or does it have any logic?
maybe it's some of the truth?
can someone with a bit of knowledge on this please elaborate?
tnx
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Based on a rudimentary knowledge of how the YouTube algorithm works and an idea of what content creators do in order to rank highly so that their videos are viewed and, more importantly, shared on sites outside YouTube.com, the thumbnail screams “not worth clicking”.

This content creator used “THE TRUTH” in order to get people to want to click it. One doesn’t have to click the link to know that the content should not be expected to be the truth, because the real truth is boring and wouldn’t amount to a video worthy of the effort to record, edit and share. However, using “THE TRUTH” and then including subjects in the video that are decidedly NOT true does two important things:
1. People who watch the video and see it’s not the truth will comment on the video (engagement is KING on YouTube, whether positive or negative).
2. Because the content is so… questionable… people will post it elsewhere asking folks “What do you think”, which will cause some folks to follow the link and leave THEIR comments.

That’s some folks can tell from thumbnail if this content would be valuable for them to view or if viewing it would only be beneficial to the content creator. This is one that screams, “I don’t care what you think about my video but thanks for watching and sharing!”
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
Based on a rudimentary knowledge of how the YouTube algorithm works and an idea of what content creators do in order to rank highly so that their videos are viewed and, more importantly, shared on sites outside YouTube.com, the thumbnail screams “not worth clicking”.

This content creator used “THE TRUTH” in order to get people to want to click it. One doesn’t have to click the link to know that the content should not be expected to be the truth, because the real truth is boring and wouldn’t amount to a video worthy of the effort to record, edit and share. However, using “THE TRUTH” and then including subjects in the video that are decidedly NOT true does two important things:
1. People who watch the video and see it’s not the truth will comment on the video (engagement is KING on YouTube, whether positive or negative).
2. Because the content is so… questionable… people will post it elsewhere asking folks “What do you think”, which will cause some folks to follow the link and leave THEIR comments.

That’s some folks can tell from thumbnail if this content would be valuable for them to view or if viewing it would only be beneficial to the content creator. This is one that screams, “I don’t care what you think about my video but thanks for watching and sharing!”
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ok, i am not interested to know exactly how and what he tries to prove, just the plain numbers he talks about.
either it's true or it's not.
if you can't help so be it 🤷‍♀️
 
roeiz said:

didn't quite get what he talks about, but since i DO think about getting the Pro Max, should i be worried?
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Tony Northrup is wrong. He said that the 28, 35 and 48mm are crops from 12mp but they are cropped from the main camera which is 48mp.
 
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roeiz said:
this is ok.. above 25 is unusable anyway..
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I thought I recognized the logo. They were posting “comparison” pictures well before the embargo lifted, so I don’t put anything beyond them as far as are the images real or not. Right now, anyone could post ANYTHING with iPhone15 on it and it’d get tens of thousands of clicks, raising it up via the algorithm to be seen by others who, while they may realize the images are fake, too late (like me) they’ve already engaged with the content.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
Based on a rudimentary knowledge of how the YouTube algorithm works and an idea of what content creators do in order to rank highly so that their videos are viewed and, more importantly, shared on sites outside YouTube.com, the thumbnail screams “not worth clicking”.

This content creator used “THE TRUTH” in order to get people to want to click it. One doesn’t have to click the link to know that the content should not be expected to be the truth, because the real truth is boring and wouldn’t amount to a video worthy of the effort to record, edit and share. However, using “THE TRUTH” and then including subjects in the video that are decidedly NOT true does two important things:
1. People who watch the video and see it’s not the truth will comment on the video (engagement is KING on YouTube, whether positive or negative).
2. Because the content is so… questionable… people will post it elsewhere asking folks “What do you think”, which will cause some folks to follow the link and leave THEIR comments.

That’s some folks can tell from thumbnail if this content would be valuable for them to view or if viewing it would only be beneficial to the content creator. This is one that screams, “I don’t care what you think about my video but thanks for watching and sharing!”
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This deserves the Leonardo Di Caprio Wolf of Wallstrert slow clap!

No cap! This IS the YouTube algo succinctly explained.
 
roeiz said:
it is a different way to achieve what periscope lens do with less space taken. so basically you can call it periscope lens.
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I really think that’s the right way to look at it. Because I think a lot of people think that the periscope zoom means a smooth transition along a wide range, but it’s not that. Because, on one of Sony’s videos
This is the low end of the zoom
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This is the high end of the zoom
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Not a huge difference. And, before that? A biiig digital zoom gap from 24mm
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Apple uses less space and still gives 5x.
 
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