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iPhone 15 Pro Max's 5x Optical Zoom Lens Enables 25x Digital Zoom
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Weird for dummies only. "Tetra" means four. Four bends in a light path to make it physically shorter.
I don’t know how the ‘2x’ behaves on 14Pro, especially if RAW — on cameras like the Leica Q which encourage cropping as they have one fixed lens — they capture the whole sensor output and simply apply a crop to the .DNG which you can change or recrop later.
This feels similar, otherwise yes it’s a downsampling of the 1x camera to a 12MP output. Coming from the 13 mini where I shoot 1x a lot, this feels kinda exciting or useful.
This feels similar, otherwise yes it’s a downsampling of the 1x camera to a 12MP output. Coming from the 13 mini where I shoot 1x a lot, this feels kinda exciting or useful.
Yet they will sell this to you like it is the most advanced zoom on the market.
Never really been into the zoom feature, but coming from an iPhone 13 Mini I definitely want to monkey around with this and see how good it is.
It’s evident, certainly. Still, much better than the digital zoom of yore.The degradation is still evident. It certainly does not work as well as on TV crime shows, where some technician hits an "Enhance" button and a blur of pixels resolves into a license plate--or a portrait quality photo of the actor playing the crook.
Agreed. It’s worse when you know they‘ll magically be able to fit this into next years 16 Pro (not Max).
Digital zoom is garbage, don't use it. It looks terrible no matter what phone/camera you use.
Yeah at that point wider (full frame) with lots of pixels + crop makes more sense.
RAW photos with the 14 pro (cropped) looked better than some periscope shots from phone cameras with further zoom when pixel peeping was applied to finished photos.
Fair points, though delivery could have been far less crass.
Yeah I am no expert in this regard, however I am not exactly sure what the engineers have said outside of the keynote. Do you have a link you can share on the subject? Be curious to see the teardowns on these devices to see / compare the full camera modules between the Pro and Max.
As a casual viewer, agreed, my observations are in no way expert. I do understand (from other phone manufacturers) the size of periscope modules in Android phones, and that Apple went a different direction to refract light. What Apple is doing is Brilliant, they found a great solution that doesn't direct light down the phone or nessicarially require a taller device. What is (clearly) uncertain is why they couldn't bring it down to the (not much) smaller phone.
Regarding the iPhone, All things aside, why does the regular 15 pro need to be millimetriclly thin or narrow? They have made phones thicker to cram in more features in the past, a few MM either direction likely would have had some detractors, but maintaining feature parity between "pro" models likely would have earned more fans.
Just my opinion, still going to be happy with my upgrade, even if I don't get the extra bump in Zoom the Max models receive.
Cheers.
Optical zoom is still subpar because of the lower telephoto specs, I've trained myself to just crop via software. The loss of quality really shows with fast moving subjects. 5x optical is still nice for those pictures when you don't care so much about quality, and certainly a million times nicer than digital zoom.
Honestly I was hoping for 10x optical zoom across both Pro’s or at least 5x optical on the Pro and 10x optical on the Max.
Huge opportunity missed unfortunately. Seems more R&D went o the action button, titanium 5 alloy, ANC during calls on iPhone itself before optical zoom.
It’s a great alternative to a typical Periscope camera setup … but I think it’s telling that Apple has reached their finite limit of space in the iPhone camera arrangement.
Kudo’s to Apple adding in Macro pictures that are clear without needing to add another camera. I was saying how crazy 4+ camera’s are getting on phones today. Ideally with periscope hood glass lens and this tech should be reduced down to 2!
Still I was hoping for 10x optical zoom for both and at least 5x/10x Pro/Max. Alas that’ll be next year.
I fully expect a major camera redesign next year. It’s telling Apple has reached their finite space in the iPhone models in the Pro and Pro Max.
I'd say it is wrong to call this 5x lens a "zoom".
If it would be a real periscope lens, it might have that optical zoom, but now it doesn't.
If it would be a real periscope lens, it might have that optical zoom, but now it doesn't.
"Real" zooms suffer from smaller aperture.
So there has to be "normal" focal length fixed lens for low light.
And for ultra-wide since zoom can't reach that wide...
Maybe 2 periscopes (ultra-wide & ultra tele) in addition of one fixed normal lens would be possible, but Apple doesn't want to give that much volume and cost for cameras...
I think 5x is too extreme.
I'd stick with the more manageable 3x
I'd stick with the more manageable 3x
I have heard that, in the more recent iPhones, the sensor is taking multiple/continuous images that the processor is combining into a single image, and if you zoom in digitally, it puts more effort into the zoomed in area. This is something that cannot be achieved by just cropping in post - you don't have access to all those other images the phone used.
OMG. What about wide angle zoom lenses like Tokina AT-X PRO SD 14-20mm F2?
Wide/ultrawide lenses are shorter anyways, why would you fold them?
think apple are planning longer optical range for 16 pros. They aren't going to debut it with the best they can think of in one upgrade. Not the apple way.
5x is still a big improvement on what we had currently and i expect 10x to be very good as well still.
why did it feel like they weren't THAT proud of their telephoto feature?
it was kinda rushed and did not really impress in any way.
i expected a much bigger deal in the presentation.
i hope it's really worth buying the Max.
it was kinda rushed and did not really impress in any way.
i expected a much bigger deal in the presentation.
i hope it's really worth buying the Max.
here's a more detailed test to watch in HD
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I really don’t understand the technicalities of camera’s so this is like speaking alien to me. As such the f stop doesn’t make sense to me why lower didn’t give less than either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why can’t a lens be made for ultra wide be positioned or setup to achieve such pictures be mounted over the Normal lens? Either automatically managed or by a proper threaded add-on the end user chooses to bring and use when they want it.
For over a decade, in my mind, taking pictures forma. Single camera phone worked for a wide shot when I wanted to but rarely did I ever want an ultra wide. Is it me or the phone industry pushed this into the public when it really wasn’t asked for (??) or am I completely wrong?
Is it hard to gauge consumers wants in what the camera can do in a phone when a specific focus began showing up in say the first 5 phones on market vs other features of the phone that end users have purchased a phone model of choice having ultra wide when it first was introduced?
You can replicate 100x zoom by just taking a 25x photo and then cropping off the sides. It's kinda pointless. Also have you ever looked at the "quality" of a 100x zoom photo? It's pretty bad. Might be useful as a tool to read a sign but as a photo, it's terrible. 10x digital zoom on a 10MP image so it's what, a 1MP image?