Seriously? Since when is buying old tech such a smart move? Other than saving some money because it is old tech.
I went from 14 Pro to 15 Pro Max and the 15 PM improvements have proven excellent.
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iPhone 16 and 16 Plus Again Rumored to Jump From A16 to A18 Chip
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I went from 14 Pro to 15 Pro Max and the 15 PM improvements have proven excellent.
Nonsense.
1) The 15 PM does not have thermal envelope issues. That was just silly trolls clickbaiting.
2) No, it is not all marketing. The 15 Pro phones perform better, period.
There's another possibility, one with a recent precedent. Take this rumor of an A18 and 18 Pro, but apply it not to N3E, but rather to N3P. Before you start laughing, or at least before you start rolling on the floor, hear me out!
Fact: TSMC estimated "2H 2022" for production of N4P. A16 launched in September 2022 on N4P. iPhone 14 Pro was the first consumer product on N4P.
Fact: TSMC has estimated "2H 2024" for production of N3P. Thus, A18 and A18 Pro could launch in September 2024 on N3P. iPhone 16 would be the first consumer product on N3P.
Fact: Every TSMC 3nm high-volume customer other than Apple will be on N3E. Thus, Apple opting to skip N3E and go straight to N3P (which will be based on N3E, not N3B) isn't surprising and indeed follows long-time precedent of iPhone being the first consumer product on TSMC nodes.
That said, I do not believe M3 (1H 2024) will be on N3E. It will be on N3B, like A17 Pro. M4 (1H 2026) will be on N2 Nanosheet, following A19 Pro in September 2025.
Fact: TSMC estimated "2H 2022" for production of N4P. A16 launched in September 2022 on N4P. iPhone 14 Pro was the first consumer product on N4P.
Fact: TSMC has estimated "2H 2024" for production of N3P. Thus, A18 and A18 Pro could launch in September 2024 on N3P. iPhone 16 would be the first consumer product on N3P.
Fact: Every TSMC 3nm high-volume customer other than Apple will be on N3E. Thus, Apple opting to skip N3E and go straight to N3P (which will be based on N3E, not N3B) isn't surprising and indeed follows long-time precedent of iPhone being the first consumer product on TSMC nodes.
That said, I do not believe M3 (1H 2024) will be on N3E. It will be on N3B, like A17 Pro. M4 (1H 2026) will be on N2 Nanosheet, following A19 Pro in September 2025.
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Apple should just put A17 Pro in the iPhone 16 to save costs and with the money saved, put a 120hz display in that thing. This will be a much better feature than a A18.
The latest and greatest chip is less important on a smartphone, than let‘s say … 120hz display.
The latest and greatest chip is less important on a smartphone, than let‘s say … 120hz display.
Yes, but it still has the camera bump. An "Ultra" iPhone should not have the camera bump.
OnePlus did a great job with the Open. Problem is here in Canada, only one SKU is available for pre-order and it goes for $2,299.99
All four iPhone 16 models will be equipped with A18-branded chips, according to Jeff Pu, an analyst who covers Apple and it...
In response to an email from MacRumors last month, Pu outlined his specific expectations:
N3E is less expensive and has improved yield compared to N3B, according to TSMC.
- iPhone 16: A18 chip (N3E)
- iPhone 16 Plus: A18 chip (N3E)
- iPhone 16 Pro: A18 Pro chip (N3E)
- iPhone 16 Pro Max: A18 Pro chip (N3E)
Could be a fork on I/O still like current A17 Pro doing more complete USB-C data rate coverage while the 'non Pro' just doesn't stick with that.
Apple could open door for more "hand me down" product placements for the 'A1x Pro' ( e.g., non Pro Vision headset, upper end AppleTV , iPad mini , etc. ) and the lower end be destine for different tracks ( e.g., regular entry iPad , iPhone SE , lower cost Apple TV , Apple Studio (if still throwing crazy horsepower there for no good reason) , etc. )
The die sizes would differ incrementally. A less radical as between plain Mn and Mn Pro, but still a gap.
The 15 Pro has the A17 Pro chip. The person you replied to is referring to a non-Pro A17 branded chip
You meant any iPhone with A12 and above will run just fine even the A10 iPads will run just fine with iPadOS 17
Think of both of them like the M1 Pro to the M2.
Telling people to get that USB 2.0 lightning iPhone which doesn’t have SmartHDR 5 over the iPhones with USBC of all things isn’t the best choice ( and because the 14 lineup is the last iDevice to be released with the ancient lightning port it will lose value much quicker than older iPhones)
Will the 16 be like the 6s & xs being the cutoff points when future iOS updates come about?
the a17 is more expensive to make than the a16 or future a18 so would be a logical step off point to make the a17 or more likely the a18 the place that iOS 24 support goes down to.
hopefully a24 will be innovative over the a23 🤣
the a17 is more expensive to make than the a16 or future a18 so would be a logical step off point to make the a17 or more likely the a18 the place that iOS 24 support goes down to.
hopefully a24 will be innovative over the a23 🤣
No, I think the regular A18 will be brand new and not a rebrand of the A17 Pro because it will use the new N3E process which means it will be different from the A17 Pro which uses N3B. The A18 will probably be a binned version of the A18 Pro, similar to the situation with the different A15 variants that the 13 Pro, regular 13, mini 6, etc. got.
The N3B process was never meant to be used for mass production, but reusing the A16 bionic was never an option for Apple so the A17 Pro will probably never make it into another device as the A17 Pro is strictly a stopgap by Apple until N3E was ready. No A17 Pro for next year’s 16, no binned A17 Pro for the iPad mini 7 or 4th generation Apple TV 4K or an A17 Pro with one less core for the next SE.
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Having a 10X lens is not the issue, having a 10X f2.8 lens is. The Galaxy Ultra's 10X is f4.9 which makes it worse in less than good light. Apple would be better served by making the 5X 40MP which means that a 10X equivalent crop would still be f2.8 and have as good image quality as a native 12MP 10X lens.
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That would be a thick slab of a phone to get rid of both the bump and the lenses protruding from the bump. Filling all that internal space with a larger battery would make it heavier, not lighter.