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Unpopular opinion: I'd happily fully drop the zoom telephoto lens (which I never use) and end up with a cheaper device. And no, I don't want the non-pro model.
I use the 3x lens on my 13P quite a lot, but doubt the 5x lens will be as useful. Let’s have a “proper” zoom (i.e. optical) so we can keep all those precious pixels.
 
That’s poorly written. The camera difference between Pro Max and Pro first occurred on the iPhone 12 Pro series, 3 generations before the 15.
It actually occurred on the 7 as well, the 7 Plus had 2 camera's instead of 1 on the standard 7
 
Better battery less bloat as far as cameras change the array from that hideous lump that creeps people with trypophobia. So many other phones have much better looking camera set ups, and better AI. That pixel 8 with seven years of updates and new versions of Android is getting more tempting and its AI's ability to deal with phone calls is dare I say useful. It actually has things I'm wanting want rather than incremental updates and the 'look how premium my phone is noise Apple makes each year to justify that £1000 + cost. Also what happened to those amazing self healing polycarbonates that were developed that healed in sunshine, surely they would trully be useful as the rear of a phone compared to glass and yet another expensive metal that scuffs easily and is mostly hidden in a case.
 
Ugh. The rumors for the next phone are more boring than the rumors of the iPhone 15 we heard all year. Can’t wait for Apple to support RCS so I can go back to exciting Android phones.
 
Not exactly, iPhone 12 Pro's main camera only got 1.4µm pixel size+OIS, while iPhone 12 Pro max's got 1.7µm pixel size+IBIS.
I remember the 12 Pro Max had a much larger camera module than the 12 Pro. The only other time the larger iPhones had a bigger module was the 7 and 7 Plus.
 
Honestly, I'm glad I didn't get the 15PM and got the pro instead. The 3x is long enough and 5x would be too long for most uses. Plus, for video 3x is already hard to keep stable, and 5x is just going to be a shaky mess.

They should just bite the bullet and go full Samsung Galaxy Camera style with a proper telescoping zoom lens on the back of the camera. Just make a version that is a camera that also happens to be a phone.

An Android Tablet…A Phone…And a telephoto lens…Are you getting it? It’s not three things. It’s one thing. The size of a brick.
 
Water is not wet. I wish people would stop saying that. Water MAKES things wet. It is not, itself, wet.
literal definition is covered with water

you can cover water with water like you can gift wrap gift wrapping paper. I touch water in the pond and my senses tell me it is wet.

what I said is accurate.
 
There is way too big of a gap between 24mm and 120mm. Anything between about 60mm and 119mm looks like garbage. Can't believe they are going to move this defect to both models.
 
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Apple is planning to increase the size of the iPhone 16 Pro to 6.3 inches, up from 6.1 inches, which will allow for more space for camera hardware. With the size increase and the yield improvement, Apple has addressed the factors that likely kept the tetraprism lens limited to the larger Pro Max iPhone.
Size increase!? So they're solving the issue by not solving it!

I'm fine with my non tetra-prism lens if you can't make it fit -- but whatever you do, just stop making the damn phones any bigger and clunkier than they already are!
 
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There is way too big of a gap between 24mm and 120mm. Anything between about 60mm and 119mm looks like garbage. Can't believe they are going to move this defect to both models.

Agree and really, the idea of a slow 120mm on a phone just seems dumb. Most photographers (yes, I’m one) use long lenses only rarely, and when they do it’s typically for things that move quickly, like sports or birds. Unless long lenses are fast (this one isn’t) they’re not very useful for the every day things most people shoot.

That’s why I think Apple should instead offer three primes in frequently used lengths. Personally, I’d go for a 16 or 18mm wide for things like landscapes and architecture, a 24 or 35mm as the basic all around lens and a 50 or 75mm for telephoto shots. 120mm is WAY too long to be useful, especially when it’s so slow.
 
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Size increase!? So they're solving the issue by not solving it!

I'm fine with my non tetra-prism lens if you can't make it fit -- but whatever you do, just stop making the damn phones any bigger and clunkier than they already are!

It really does beg the question: why is Apple making a camera and calling it a phone? The idea of a camera on a phone or palm top computer is convenience. “The best camera is the one you have with you.” But it shouldn’t be the entire focus of the product.

Apple has made great advances in HDR, computational photography and so forth. It’s interesting to have on a phone, but a full fledged Apple camera would make a lot of sense at this point too.

I shoot a Fujifilm X-T5 and it relies heavily on software operations. Apple could make something like this with their camera tech and either APS C or full frame sensors and really go to town.

I mean, it will never happen, but it would be a logical next step in their pursuit of software photo processing.
 


Both the iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max will include Apple's tetraprism Telephoto lens with improved zoom capabilities, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo reiterated today.

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Apple introduced a new tetraprism lens system for the iPhone 15 Pro Max, enabling 5x optical zoom for the first time. The camera technology was not added to the iPhone 15 Pro, marking one of the first times that Apple has added camera technology to one Pro device and not the other.

The limitation was rumored to be because of space constraints, with only the Pro Max able to accommodate the hardware, but yield may have also been a factor. According to Kuo, when lens supplier Largan was producing the tetraprism hardware for the iPhone 15 Pro Max in the third quarter of 2023, production yield was at just 40 percent. Yield has now improved to 70 percent or more.

Apple is planning to increase the size of the iPhone 16 Pro to 6.3 inches, up from 6.1 inches, which will allow for more space for camera hardware. With the size increase and the yield improvement, Apple has addressed the factors that likely kept the tetraprism lens limited to the larger Pro Max iPhone.

It is not yet clear if Apple has plans to make improvements to the tetraprism lens in 2024. One rumor has suggested Apple is working on a "super telephoto camera" with a much longer focal length, but we've heard little about it at this point.

Article Link: iPhone 16 Pro Again Rumored to Include Tetraprism Telephoto Lens With 5X Optical Zoom
So long it’s a redesigned phone. I can’t keep buying the iPhone 12SSSSS over and over again.
 
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Unpopular opinion: I'd happily fully drop the zoom telephoto lens (which I never use) and end up with a cheaper device. And no, I don't want the non-pro model.
I'm exactly the opposite. I want the main camera and both telephoto cameras, the "77mm" and the "120mm." I would pay more, and hope to if the Ultra has those. This crop-zoom business needs to go away.
 
I think Apple knows that. The iPhone is stale. They need to press forward in a significant way. Iterative releases can only be sustained for so long before the market collapses.
Yea the used market is apples biggest competitor when it comes to phones. When your last 4 phones are nearly identical to your newest one….. you’ve gone staler than a a wet horse.
The current iPhone line up since the 12 has been like potato chips. They keep releasing new flavors…. But dang it if I’m tired of eating chips….
Does apple really think I want to keep buying the same chips?
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different outcomes is just pure insanity. Or apple is complacent.
 
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