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iPhone 16 moves to $699
iPhone 17, likely with ProMotion, will be introduced at $799
Both phones will be promoted heavily by carriers

The 16e price won’t hold at $599. These phones will be offered near free by carriers by year end
 
You get the Plus/PM battery life in a small comfortable form factor. Worth it for $599.

Who is to say that the iPhone 17 won’t have similar battery life. Too much uncertainty right now. The best thing to do is just to wait on making a purchase until later in the year
 
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MagSafe is not a requirement to use the phone. It is a convenience many here and elsewhere have convinced themselves is a must, even though they used phones prior to MagSafe being invented. Amazing how what is essential to use gets distorted.

I think we have a serious discrepancy in our understanding of what constitutes a necessity.
By your logic, many features are not actually necessary—your phone doesn’t need a camera, Bluetooth, Face ID/Touch ID, OLED, dual cameras, or wireless charging… None of these are essential.
 
Remember that in six months…

iPhone 16 moves to $699
iPhone 17, likely with ProMotion, will be introduced at $799
Both phones will be promoted heavily by carriers

The 16e price won’t hold at $599. These phones will be offered near free by carriers by year end
Carrier "deal" benefit the Carrier not the customer. The customer always ends up paying more for the phone. It is all smoke and mirrors.
 
The same can be said about any phone (re: price). It is all personally subjective. It means nothing, unless one subscribes to logical fallacy thinking.
Not really, we're not talking relative prices (whether or not it is expensive/cheap per the individual), but absolute prices per product relative to quality.

Many products absolutely justify their prices, no matter how high, if the quality is there. (like the airpods max for example.)
 
I think we have a serious discrepancy in our understanding of what constitutes a necessity.
By your logic, many features are not actually necessary—your phone doesn’t need a camera, Bluetooth, Face ID/Touch ID, OLED, dual cameras, or wireless charging… None of these are essential.
It all depends on the individual user. I can happily use a phone without MagSafe. It isn't a requirement for me. I think there are many people who use their phone mainly as a phone and will be fine with the price, which will help get many in the walled garden. The problem around here is too many think that MR represents the whole and it doesn't. MR represents the extreme.
 
Not really, we're not talking relative prices (whether or not it is expensive/cheap per the individual), but absolute prices per product relative to quality.

Many products absolutely justify their prices, no matter how high, if the quality is there. (like the airpods max for example.)
You are welcomed to your opinion but, it is still subjective and can be said about any product. A product is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
 
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MKBHD says he doesn’t know who he would recommend this phone to. That’s how I feel about it. I don’t know who it’s for. On the Upgrade podcast, Casey Liss speculated the target audience might be corporations who offer phones to their employees.

pretty much that.

Here in aus, it's extremely common for companies to issue a phone the same way they would issue a laptop to employees.

Company i work for generally gives people the cheapest iphone they can buy. Which in the past included SE's and iphones 2-3 generations behind. E.g. they were still handing out 6s's that they acquired from runout stock when the X was released, they still give out iphone 13's today.

When the 16E comes out, if it's the cheapest in the catalogue; they'll hand those out.
 
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This phone can’t be for :

- Budget people (since it’s 600$)

- kids who had maybe an iPod touch or an iPhone SE might not want a 6.1 inch (too big) or it would be too valuable for them (imagine they break it) or they can’t afford that for a kid (cool be teen also)

- Older people like grandma which only needs a phone for basic things would pick another phone and not this iPhone 16e (since it’s more cheaper)

- People who wants a second iPhone for backup, beta testing, Xcode preview or other reasons might not want to spend 600$ for that.

So for who is the iPhone 16e??? Pro will take iPhone 16 pro for the camera… people who can afford iPhone 16 might just pick it since they have many extra features on the 16!
 
For me this was a meh product... Pro all the way... but I can't help but feel reviewers missed the point here with comments about "modem performance". I dont recall seeing anything about performance claims being linked to speed only only battery life?

It's a modem... you're at the mercy of the connection in your area, so the fact they have switched to their own modem with no noticeable difference in modem performance is good thing for one.. but also if it means longer life and less stress/draw on the battery... I look forward to this landing in a phone I DO care about in the future.
 
In running Tom's Guide's battery benchmark test, the iPhone 16e puts up an average time of 12 hours and 41 minutes. That's only a couple of minutes shorter than the iPhone 16's average of 12 hours and 43 minutes. However, the best times recorded on both phones are 12 hours and 49 minutes for the iPhone 16e, and 13 hours and 19 minutes with the iPhone 16.
Tom's Guide put it to the test:
According to Dave Lee of the YouTube channel Dave2D, the iPhone 16e is equipped with a 3,961 mAh battery. That is an 11% increase in capacity compared to the regular iPhone 16's 3,561 mAh battery.

Huh. How'd the 16E lose to the 16 regular despite having a larger battery and "more efficient" C1 chip?
 
This phone can’t be for :

- Budget people (since it’s 600$)

- kids who had maybe an iPod touch or an iPhone SE might not want a 6.1 inch (too big) or it would be too valuable for them (imagine they break it) or they can’t afford that for a kid (cool be teen also)

- Older people like grandma which only needs a phone for basic things would pick another phone and not this iPhone 16e (since it’s more cheaper)

- People who wants a second iPhone for backup, beta testing, Xcode preview or other reasons might not want to spend 600$ for that.

So for who is the iPhone 16e??? Pro will take iPhone 16 pro for the camera… people who can afford iPhone 16 might just pick it since they have many extra features on the 16!
The reason why you can't see the buyer for the 16e, is because you made pigeon-holed different segments of society into your own made up judgements without any proof. Purchasing is not always black and white that is blindly summed up like you did.
 
For me this was a meh product... Pro all the way... but I can't help but feel reviewers missed the point here with comments about "modem performance". I dont recall seeing anything about performance claims being linked to speed only only battery life?

It's a modem... you're at the mercy of the connection in your area, so the fact they have switched to their own modem with no noticeable difference in modem performance is good thing for one.. but also if it means longer life and less stress/draw on the battery... I look forward to this landing in a phone I DO care about in the future.
I also am a pro user but wanted this phone as second… won’t buy it for now since too expensive.
 
The reason why you can't see the buyer for the 16e, is because you made pigeon-holed different segments of society into your own made up judgements without any proof. Purchasing is not always black and white that is blindly summed up like you did.
Explain me please how an iPod touch user will be able to upgrade to the iPhone 16e which is 3 times the price of the iPod !!
 
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It all depends on the individual user. I can happily use a phone without MagSafe. It isn't a requirement for me. I think there are many people who use their phone mainly as a phone and will be fine with the price, which will help get many in the walled garden. The problem around here is too many think that MR represents the whole and it doesn't. MR represents the extreme.

You are trying to substitute personal subjective experience for objective reality. Just because you don’t need it, does that mean everyone else’s needs are simply arbitrary demands? And by that logic, are you also suggesting that the opinions of MR users aren’t representative of broader user needs?

What’s interesting is that, given MR’s traffic and engagement, I’d argue that MR users’ perspectives actually serve as a fairly reliable indicator of consumer sentiment.
 
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I ordered the 16e. I'm excited to get it, honestly. One camera with a tiny bump is a major win in my book. I really don't want the multi-camera ever again.

A lot of people are complaining about the lack of Mag Safe. I totally understand, but at the same time I'm someone who wants wireless charging removed. I don't even want the weight of the coil because I'll never use it.

Also a win that they used the A18 with 8GB RAM. Notch v Dynamic Island? Don't care, even though DI technically does stuff and notch is just black. Camera button...lol you serious? Ultra Wideband chip...maybe that's a miss. 120 display, if it uses more battery then no thanks. Apple modem is interesting. Would be skeptical if their other silicon was bad, but it's been pretty impressive.

Just figured I'd share as someone who actually likes the idea of the phone. We'll find out Friday when it gets here.
 
Explain me please how an iPod touch user will be able to upgrade to the iPhone 16e which is 3 times the price of the iPod !!
I don't have to explain any such thing to you. You made an argument of your own making to try and justify your own biased argument.

Just because you can't see the justification for purchase doesn't mean most others think the same way you do, much less have the exact same needs or phone use as you.
 
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