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You misheard. It is the "Z". As in 😴....
Nah you're misinformed, it is C and will be available in a bunch of tacky plastic colours.

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More seriously, if Apple truly believes Apple Intelligence is going to an essential part of iOS moving forward, all their devices need to support it. Those who want to ignore it can always turn it off.
Apple Intelligence can be fully disabled if you want...
Until Apple turns it back on without your approval

 
Until Apple turns it back on without your approval

Yes, aware there’s a bug turning it back on. I’m sure it’ll get fixed. If it’s intentional then Apple should do better. But again, you can just turn it off, or do what my wife does, leave it on and just ignore it until she wants to make a genmoji.

I don’t understand the AI-phobia a lot of people on MacRumors seem to have. I don’t wear an Apple Watch, but I just ignore the Watch app, not complain over and over again that it’s there.
 
But now that none of the major phone makers make a smaller phone, I think that the sales would be there.
I hope Apple agrees. Personally, I think the way to do it would be to (A) make such a small phone and (B) make it very clear and tell the market/consumers that this is the only small iPhone that Apple is going to make for three years. This way you get the sales for the folks that want a small phone and you pull forward sales for folks who are the fence because this is their one chance for the next few years. If Apple could get the small phone buyers on a nice cycle of upgrading to the latest small iPhone every three years, then the size of that market every three years should certainly be enough for that product. Now would be a perfect time to get the folks who have been holding on to their 13 minis. They would buy a 17 mini and folks like me might jump on it as an upgrade from my 15 Pro if I knew it was now or "never" instead of maybe thinking there might be an 18 mini.
 
My guess is they want to get rid of the SE name because a lot of people associate it with a “small” phone. It may also mean that Apple is going to start releasing a budget phone yearly to better compete with other manufacturers like the Pixel a series phones
 
I hope Apple agrees. Personally, I think the way to do it would be to (A) make such a small phone and (B) make it very clear and tell the market/consumers that this is the only small iPhone that Apple is going to make for three years. This way you get the sales for the folks that want a small phone and you pull forward sales for folks who are the fence because this is their one chance for the next few years. If Apple could get the small phone buyers on a nice cycle of upgrading to the latest small iPhone every three years, then the size of that market every three years should certainly be enough for that product. Now would be a perfect time to get the folks who have been holding on to their 13 minis. They would buy a 17 mini and folks like me might jump on it as an upgrade from my 15 Pro if I knew it was now or "never" instead of maybe thinking there might be an 18 mini.

I just refuse to believe there's no money to be made in making an iPhone Mini on a 3 year cycle (call it whatever it needs to be called)

Apple hasn't gotten new iPhone money out of me in 9 years
 
I just refuse to believe there's no money to be made in making an iPhone Mini on a 3 year cycle (call it whatever it needs to be called)

Apple hasn't gotten new iPhone money out of me in 9 years
I agree. This is strategy is what I would do. The only negative is that Apple would have to break its rule about announcing its forward product cycle (which they basically never do). But I think with more information folks can make better buying decisions and be more likely to buy.
 
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i vote for consistent namining convention across all products: macbooks, ipad, watches, phones. Basic model: AIR, Standard model: PRO, Premium model: ULTRA. and model year as prefix so this will be 2025 AIR, new macbook with M4 will be 2025 AIR or 2025 PRO, etc
 
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Pretty much. And will be in the same vein as their FE line offerings, which itself the continuation of their S10e.
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PS: If all the rumors and plans come into fruition, then Apple and samsung will have the exact same flagship lines:
(x)E -> (x) -> (x) Air -> (x)Pro / (x)Pro Max
(y)FE -> (y) / (y)+ -> (y)Edge -> (y)Ultra
Four different flavours for everyone. Gotta taste 'em all.
Honestly, although I own and use the iPhone 15 Pro, which doesn't give me much reasons to upgrade to 16 Pro, if any, I'm looking forward for the iPhone 16e just for the curiosity.
 
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I really don't care what they call the SE 4, 16 E, or whatever. I'm curious to see how the "new" modem performs. There are enough issues with cellular in my area, that I don't want to get in the middle of p___ing match between Apple and my carrier when things don't work.
 
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Honestly, although I own and use the iPhone 15 Pro, which doesn't give me much reasons to upgrade to 16 Pro, if any, I'm looking forward for the iPhone 16e just for the curiosity.
Same here. Although I'm going to wait for the reviews to see how well their in-house modem performs.
 
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I personally loved the fun colors and feel in hand of the 5C
It was lightweight, fit great in pockets and hands ... total joy to use
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Also, pretty waterproof. Back in the High School days, what would´ve eventually become my wife, I had the blue iPhone 5c and she had a Galaxy Note 2. We went to a Queen feat. Adam Lambert Show in Poland and while the heavy rain sunk her Note (one of the best phones of all time), my iPhone 5c survived.
 
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Sounds like a rip off way to keep selling the old outdated SE and give the new SE a $100 or more dollar cost increase. They'll be darned if they give budget conscious shoppers a break in this economy.
 
Why would anybody pay 500 bucks for a neutered iPhone when you can pick up a top of the line phone from Samsung or Motorola for much cheaper?
 


Apple's upcoming budget iPhone might not be called the iPhone SE 4 after all, with Bloomberg's Mark Gurman lending credence to rumors of a potential name change for the device being unveiled this Wednesday.

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In his latest Power On newsletter, Gurman mentions Apple CEO Tim Cook's recent social media announcement about a new product unveiling on February 19, in which Cook teased the "newest member of the family." According to Gurman, this phrasing seems to imply that Apple plans to position the device as a fresh addition to the lineup rather than a continuation of the SE series.

The statement adds weight to recent claims from leakers that Apple could brand the device as "iPhone 16E" instead of iPhone SE 4. Gurman doesn't explicitly confirm this naming scheme (or potential variations of it) but he is surely aware of the rumors, and notes that a new name "makes complete sense" given the dramatic overhaul the budget iPhone is receiving. So we could indeed see an iPhone 16E, iPhone 16e, iPhone 16 SE, or something else, depending on what branding Apple has decided to go with.

The device is expected to adopt an iPhone 14-style design with a 6.1-inch OLED display, Face ID, an Action button, and significant internal upgrades including a new Apple-designed 5G modem, 8GB of RAM, and the same A18 chip found in the iPhone 16 series. The A18 chip inclusion in particular is a major departure from previous SE models, which typically recycled older iPhone designs and technology. It also means the device will support Apple Intelligence, bringing flagship performance at a much more affordable ~$500 price.

If accurate, the rebranding would mark the end of the iPhone SE line, which has served as Apple's budget offering since 2016. The move could indicate Apple's intention to bring its affordable iPhone into the flagship fold, both in terms of features and marketing.

The new budget iPhone is expected to be announced via press release on Wednesday, February 19, with pre-orders likely following shortly after.

Article Link: iPhone 16E to Debut Wednesday? Apple's Budget iPhone May Get a New Name
PLEASE just give us some new AirPods Pros!
 
If so, seems like https://smallandroidphone.com/ would’ve gotten more traction.

Maybe you argue that iOS users are more likely to want a small phone. I probably agree, but it feels like the mini experiment proved there are dozens of us. Dozens.
My post in reference to “nobody” wanting a smaller iPhone was really strident, but I just don’t believe that the market believes it can make money or gain traction with a smaller phone. People are always going to see a smaller phone as deficient ‘because’ of the small screen. The Android market doesn’t want anything but larger screens because much like the PC market, manufacturers feel like they have to throw in everything including the kitchen sink to get attention. Just going to the Verizon or T-Mobile store the choice of Android phones was overwhelming. The iPhone has a more limited selection and Apple closed down the iPhone mini experiment after two years because it just didn’t generate the sheer volume and ROI that Apple needs now to show monster profits to Wall Street. That Apple, the taking chances Apple, is largely gone, especially in the iPhone product segment. They are going for mostly softballs to preserve market share and Wall Street analysts positive recommendations for the stock. This is the reality that the small phone crowd seems to really ignore in these threads. Market reality is just not with them.
 
Jealous! I'll bet that was a great show
It was an absolute supernatural experience. It was pretty sunny that day, but as the main act was approaching, so was the thunderstorm, and pretty much both the heavy rain and Queen started playing around the same time. So not only we had artificial lights there, but some natural thunderbolts were blazing in the sky as well. Luckily, not a single one hit the large metallic construction, as if Freddy´s soul wanted to enjoy the show too.
 
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I just refuse to believe there's no money to be made in making an iPhone Mini on a 3 year cycle (call it whatever it needs to be called)

Apple hasn't gotten new iPhone money out of me in 9 years
I honestly believe that if Apple is moving to a yearly update schedule for the 16E/SE4/whatever they call it, it is to align marketing, engineering and manufacturing schedules and economies of scale than anything else. A mini does not align with those schedules and Apple is doubling down on flooding the zone with products that overlap and can be manufactured at scale. Just my 2¢.

EDIT: I also think they are willing to lose customers over that product alignment strategy, including you and any others.
 
Why would anybody pay 500 bucks for a neutered iPhone when you can pick up a top of the line phone from Samsung or Motorola for much cheaper?
Please point out which “top of the line”
Android phone you can get for “much cheaper” than $500.
 
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