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Apple essentially will be ripping people off for the PRO models this year! Not only will it not be in a Titanium Case, it won't even be in th e stainless steel that we had before! It will be the cheap Aluminum.

I feel that should make my current iPhone 16 Pro Max very valuable with a highter resell vaulue this year! But since Apple will be driving the pricing, I bet they don't offer anymore than they have in the past... but it will be interesting to see what the market drives... meaning what people will be selling them for on eBay!

This is a LOW BLOW I feel! and I'm not happy with the stupid rear design! A bigger Bump?! Dumb! and how are you supposed to protect that? Should b interesting to see the what the case makers do!?!
I agree with the first half of this statement if indeed Apple is using aluminum on their Pro devices.
 
I’m mystified by these supply chain rumors when it comes to the titanium/aluminum breakdown. Apple’s made titanium such a fixture of its higher-end watch and phone positioning that I’d love to know how they’ll spin the regression if in fact the Pros are reverting to aluminum.
Totally— and having a titanium iPhone Air and an aluminum Pro will devalue the Pro line significantly in the eyes of some people. It’s a marketing mess.
 
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That’s not a very compelling reason given that they’ve steered us towards titanium for two years in a row. They need to keep premium materials for premium devices.
It's compelling for me personally. I'll never notice the difference of titanium vs aluminum so may as well have the one that is better for the environment.
 
So with the Air, it definitely makes sense to use titanium as I was one of the people wondering about its durability. The Galaxy S25 Edge uses titanium also, and from my understanding hasn't had any issues. Apple probably expects the Pro to still be their main seller, but still have high hopes for the Air to sell fairly well. At this point the only dealbreaker for them would have to be only having on camera, and if they raise the price to over $900. If it sticks to $900 I think they got something good.

The 16PM is the last phone to have the classic design, the new camera bar phones are much uglier to my eye. It almost seems like the MBP notch where there’s no good reason to have that versus a hole punch. If they’d done Face ID then maybe a notch would be worth it but they didn’t. Same with the Air and the full length camera bar with one lens. What’s the point? Except maybe if the Air had at least two cameras like the regular iPhone and as rumored has 12GB and a slightly nerfed a19 pro then it’d cannibalize the Pro hard. The Pro will have a much bigger battery but the number of people who are away from electricity for an extended period of time is small and those who are can always use a battery bank or whatever if needed. The rest of its users can recharge a little more often and reap the benefits of a lighter, thinner phone.
 
17 Air has Titanium to avoid it bending. If you remember Apple started using Titanium after Bendgate
This could be a higher grade Titanium than used before
 
17 Air has Titanium to avoid it bending. If you remember Apple started using Titanium after Bendgate
This could be a higher grade Titanium than used before
Which means the Air will be more Pro than the Pro in some ways :)
 
It's compelling for me personally. I'll never notice the difference of titanium vs aluminum so may as well have the one that is better for the environment.
YMMV. If Apple really wanted to save the environment, they’d stop changing the dimensions of the phones every year, forcing us to throw out and buy new cases all the time. Same goes for backwards compatibility of iPad Pro Magic Keyboards, etc.
 
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YMMV. If Apple really wanted to save the environment, they’d stop changing the dimensions of the phones every year, forcing us to throw out and buy new cases all the time. Same goes for backwards compatibility of iPad Pro Magic Keyboards, etc.

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What premium experience are you having with a different metal?
Not sure how that’s even a question. Seems like you keep trying to argue what “premium” means. There’s a difference in quality/premium for everything. Cotton vs Egyptian Cotton, top grain leather vs full-grain, etc…they all share similar characteristics but it’s not subjective those are premium materials compared to their counterparts.

If I’m paying $1K+ for a phone do you not think the consumer is entitled to a premium experience which equates to perceived better quality given the product? I would not pay that kind of money for a plastic phone regardless of performance. Like if someone put Walmart rims on a Ferrari, you just ruined the entire car regardless of the motor that’s still in it.
 


The rumored iPhone 17 Air will have a titanium frame, according to Apple analyst Jeff Pu.

iPhone-17-Air-Thumb-2-Blue-Electric-Boogaloo.jpg

In an investor note with equity research firm GF Securities this week, Pu also said the iPhone 17, iPhone 17 Pro, and iPhone 17 Pro Max will have aluminum frames, so the iPhone 17 Air will apparently be the only new model to use titanium.

It is unclear why the iPhone 17 Air would have a titanium frame, as aluminum is lighter than titanium, which would be fitting for the device's rumored ultra-thin and lightweight design. Titanium is generally stronger than aluminum, however, so perhaps the material is necessary to ensure that the iPhone 17 Air's thin chassis is durable.

Last year, another Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said the iPhone 17 Air's frame would use both titanium and aluminum, so there could be a mix of both materials. Apple surely has its reasons, and it may discuss them during its iPhone 17 event in September.

Since the iPhone X in 2017, all of Apple's highest-end iPhone models have featured either stainless steel or titanium frames, so the return to an aluminum frame for the iPhone 17 Pro models this year would be a notable change.

Here is what Pu expects:
  • iPhone 17: Aluminum frame
  • iPhone 17 Air: Titanium frame
  • iPhone 17 Pro: Aluminum frame
  • iPhone 17 Pro Max: Aluminum frame
Here are the materials used for the iPhone 16 series:
  • iPhone 16: Aluminum frame
  • iPhone 16 Plus: Aluminum frame
  • iPhone 16 Pro: Titanium frame
  • iPhone 16 Pro Max: Titanium frame

Article Link: iPhone 17 Air Said to Feature Titanium Frame — Unlike iPhone 17 Pro
Please MR staff and posters here: realize only alloys are used for the structural framework of tech devices, and different alloys of a given metal can have widely different characteristics. The constant reference to aluminum this and titanium that as if pure elemental metals are used is wrong and misleading on every level.
 
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Not sure how that’s even a question. Seems like you keep trying to argue what “premium” means. There’s a difference in quality/premium for everything. Cotton vs Egyptian Cotton, top grain leather vs full-grain, etc…they all share similar characteristics but it’s not subjective those are premium materials compared to their counterparts.

If I’m paying $1K+ for a phone do you not think the consumer is entitled to a premium experience which equates to perceived better quality given the product? I would not pay that kind of money for a plastic phone regardless of performance. Like if someone put Walmart rims on a Ferrari, you just ruined the entire car regardless of the motor that’s still in it.
Good grief. You SLEEP on a sheet. The difference in material matters. The iPhone's material doesn't matter. Metal is metal. How Apple finishes the metal is all that matters. There is ZERO difference in experience with aluminum vs stainless steel or titanium, except that maybe the aluminum product is lighter and more comfortable to hold as a result. I'd say that's premium.
 
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Good grief. You SLEEP on a sheet. The difference in material matters. The iPhone's material doesn't matter. Metal is metal. How Apple finishes the metal is all that matters. There is ZERO difference in experience with aluminum vs stainless steel or titanium, except that maybe the aluminum product is lighter and more comfortable to hold as a result. I'd say that's premium.
Premium materials can be expected at premium price points. The only reason to switch from stainless steel and now titanium to aluminum in their Pro devices would be the increased conductivity of aluminum for enhanced cooling. If they sell it that way and it specifically enables higher-end Pro features because it dissipates heat better, fine.

But just because one person doesn't appreciate the difference in industrial design quality for a device doesn't mean the rest of us don't. When we shell out that much money for a device, it matters.
 
Premium materials can be expected at premium price points. The only reason to switch from stainless steel and now titanium to aluminum in their Pro devices would be the increased conductivity of aluminum for enhanced cooling. If they sell it that way and it specifically enables higher-end Pro features because it dissipates heat better, fine.

But just because one person doesn't appreciate the difference in industrial design quality for a device doesn't mean the rest of us don't. When we shell out that much money for a device, it matters.
You couldn't possibly make a weaker case if you tried.
 
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17 Air has Titanium to avoid it bending. If you remember Apple started using Titanium after Bendgate
This could be a higher grade Titanium than used before
“Bendgate” was after the iPhone 6 was released in 2014. Apple made changes in the aluminum case of subsequent iPhone 6s,7,8 to avoid bending. Apple started using Titanium (as a shell around an aluminum frame) in the iPhone 15 in 2023. The titanium was not a response to bendgate.
 
“Bendgate” was after the iPhone 6 was released in 2014. Apple made changes in the aluminum case of subsequent iPhone 6s,7,8 to avoid bending. Apple started using Titanium (as a shell around an aluminum frame) in the iPhone 15 in 2023. The titanium was not a response to bendgate.
And Bendgate wasn't a big deal anyway; I had the original iPhone 6 which never bent and lasted me two years until the iPhone 7. Antennagate with the iPhone 4 was also overblown BTW. I had the iPhone 4 as well and never had any issues with my reception. Ahh, memories. :p
 
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