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How is this supposed 5-core GPU version of the A19 Pro going to be any different from the standard A19? From what I can see, the only difference between the A18 and A18 Pro was a 5 core versus 6 core GPU? Or are my eyes too tired and my Google search powers fading for the day?
The A18 Pro also has more cache than the standard A18, which can also improve performance in certain scenarios, but most users would never notice the difference at all. I'm interested to see if they continue to make two distinct versions of the A series chips, or will revert to binning one chip.
 
Did you think the article was specifically for you and you alone?
The article is talking about a product targeted at me. A product that is already compromised concerning battery life. A product that we already knew would not have the best performance or specs compared to the iPhone 17 Pro range.

So why should anyone be surprised that it would have fewer GPU cores? The 17 Air is not targeted at people who care about performance or multi-day battery life.

The 17 Air perfectly suits my needs because it's thin and light. And to that end, no one should be expecting performance to be a priority with this product.
 
As someone that works in IT and deals with a lot of people I would say while Android phone users are slightly more tech knowledgeable than iphone users, neither group as a whole knows that much when it comes to specs. They don't research specs and benchmarks, they seem to buy a phone pretty much on screen size and color of the phone.
I would say that in my experience there is a bias amongst many IT people towards Android. I think if those biased users had an iPad or Mac and experienced the ecosystem that bias would go away (the Windows Phone Link app is not great, and I am not a target customer for Chrome OS either). That said, in my experience, most of the people with that bias are also Windows die hards and what they actually prefer about Android is the ability to tweak the hell out of the UI. I have personally switched back and forth between iOS and Android, and when I have tweaked the hell out of the UI, it always lacked so much polish due to the inner workings of the OS that I could not tweak that I had to go back to the out of the box OS so that my device had had consistency. And that is the heart of why I prefer IOS outside of the Apple ecosystem benefits with my other devices. It is extremely consistent in design. I personally really like Samsung's One UI as well. I also was one who thought that Windows Phone back in the day had a lot of potential, but in typical Microsoft fashion they released it well before it was actually ready and then also Google really helped put the nail in Windows Phone's coffin by not supporting it.

I still believe that Apple is not ripping anyone off by selling a binned version of their processor in any of the lower specced phones.
 
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I would say that in my experience there is a bias amongst many IT people towards Android. I think if those biased users had an iPad or Mac and experienced the ecosystem that bias would go away (the Windows Phone Link app is not great, and I am not a target customer for Chrome OS either). That said, in my experience, most of the people with that bias are also Windows die hards and what they actually prefer about Android is the ability to tweak the hell out of the UI. I have personally switched back and forth between iOS and Android, and when I have tweaked the hell out of the UI, it always lacked so much polish due to the inner workings of the OS that I could not tweak that I had to go back to the out of the box OS so that my device had had consistency. And that is the heart of why I prefer IOS outside of the Apple ecosystem benefits with my other devices. It is extremely consistent in design. I personally really like Samsung's One UI as well. I also was one who thought that Windows Phone back in the day had a lot of potential, but in typical Microsoft fashion they released it well before it was actually ready and then also Google really helped put the nail in Windows Phone's coffin by not supporting it.

I still believe that Apple is not ripping anyone off by selling a binned version of their processor in any of the lower specced phones.
I think IT people are split fairly evenly between iphone and Android, Mac and Windows. I personally use an iphone, Macbook Pro, Apple Watch and Airpod Pro's. Granted, I have lot of experience with Windows, Chromebook, and Android and used the heck out of all of them. I don't care for any company's ecosystems to be honest, not even Apple's and avoid using ecosystems in general as much as possible primarily for security reasons. Ecosystems are very close to being the same between companies (apple, google, samsung) anyways.
 
I think IT people are split fairly evenly between iphone and Android, Mac and Windows. I personally use an iphone, Macbook Pro, Apple Watch and Airpod Pro's. Granted, I have lot of experience with Windows, Chromebook, and Android and used the heck out of all of them. I don't care for any company's ecosystems to be honest, not even Apple's and avoid using ecosystems in general as much as possible primarily for security reasons. Ecosystems are very close to being the same between companies (apple, google, samsung) anyways.
When I say ecosystem what I really mean is that Apple has managed to make my iPhone, iPads, and MacBook Pro all feel like they are almost a single device because they all basically take me to the same starting point. The biggest thing that tempts me towards Android is that I also use Fedora Linux as a desktop quite a lot and Android would be more friendly with that system than iOS and Apple services are. Apple makes accessing iCloud based services from Linux very annoying. Windows is only in my house virtually or as a mostly unused partition on my Linux machine. I have worked professionally in Windows for over 25 years and it is not that I dislike it really, but it bores me and Microsoft is too heavy handed with things like Edge and Copilot — plus I think it is almost always consistently inconsistent and ugly for the most part (though the dynamic desktop colors stuff is cool). Windows is the worst OS for just getting out of the users way.
 
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When I say ecosystem what I really mean is that Apple has managed to make my iPhone, iPads, and MacBook Pro all feel like they are almost a single device because they all basically take me to the same starting point. The biggest thing that tempts me towards Android is that I also use Fedora Linux as a desktop quite a lot and Android would be more friendly with that system than iOS and Apple services are. Apple makes accessing iCloud based services from Linux very annoying. Windows is only in my house virtually or as a mostly unused partition on my Linux machine. I have worked professionally in Windows for over 25 years and it is not that I dislike it really, but it bores me and Microsoft is too heavy handed with things like Edge and Copilot — plus I think it is almost always consistently inconsistent and ugly for the most part (though the dynamic desktop colors stuff is cool). Windows is the worst OS for just getting out of the users way.
I agree with Windows, at home my wife and I have done away with Windows in favor of Mac. We use Windows at work because we have to not because we want to. I agree MS absolutely is too heavy handed pushing things and keeps going in the wrong direction with Windows in my opinion and each release is worse than the previous.
 
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I agree with Windows, at home my wife and I have done away with Windows in favor of Mac. We use Windows at work because we have to not because we want to. I agree MS absolutely is too heavy handed pushing things and keeps going in the wrong direction with Windows in my opinion and each release is worse than the previous.
Microsoft released Windows 11 in October of 21 and here we are in 2025 and they have not yet addressed all of the legitimate downgrades in the OS yet. The new (and much improved) Start menu, which would be less necessary if they just included their "Powertoys Run" feature as part of the OS (It is like Spotlight), is still only available to Insiders. Microsoft really struggles in improving their products. I think it is because they are too distracted with CoPilot which is honestly about as annoying as Clippy was back in the day. It is also likely that no top end IT talent who works at Microsoft wants to get stuck on the Windows team.
 
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It's all great. Got the last year's model and I usually wait three or four years between getting the next one. The only thing that could get me to upgrade early is if the cameras are a whole lot better this time. I find that I take pictures that I like with my iphone as with my camera. Different use cases between the phone and the camera but love that phone camera. So I look at how the power of the phone relates to the photo abilities.
 
Yet they will ask premium price.
S25 Edge flopped, this will too.
Maybe, but don’t you think it’s worth a try? Why shouldn’t Apple continue to innovate (something these forum posters say is dead)? There has been a fair amount of interest on these forums for the 17 Air, & I’m going to buy the 17 Pro Max when it comes out. Reading just MacRumors you’d think Apple would be bankrupt by now, but that’s not the real world. Apple continues to do great, despite the many obstacles in the current climate. 👍🏻
 
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Honest questions that I can't figure out: where might a person be all day long without access to electricity? I live in the US so always have access to electricity, but maybe that is not the case in other countries?

Also, why install a battery pack on a phone when you can just use a portable battery bank?
The reduction of stress by not having to find an outlet in public places or lug around battery packs when traveling lightly is a big deal.
 
Makes total sense, Apple needs to do everything they can to extend the battery life on the 17 Air. 📲🔥😱
 
I’m surprised how many people think the pro phones are heavy. I’ve only had pro phones so I guess i don’t have much to compare it too but it’s plenty comfortable for me to carry and use
 


Apple's upcoming iPhone 17 Air will include an A19 Pro chip with a 5-core GPU, according to Weibo leaker Fixed Focus Digital. The Chinese account, which has over two million followers, claims that only the iPhone 17 Pro models will have the full 6-core GPU A19 Pro configuration.

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It's the second time in as many months that Fixed Focus Digital has claimed to reveal accurate details about the ultra-thin device's chip specifications. The reduced GPU core count suggests Apple is using binned chips based on yields, or may be managing thermal constraints in the slimmer form factor, but most users are unlikely to notice the performance difference during typical usage.

The claim contradicts earlier reporting from industry analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who over a year ago predicted the iPhone 17 Air would use a standard A19 chip, rather than the Pro variant.

The Weibo leaker also claims that the base iPhone 17 model will use an A19 chip. A few months ago, supply chain analyst Jeff Pu said the device would have an A18 chip, but he has since rescinded the claim – he now also expects the regular iPhone 17 model to be equipped with the A19.

Fixed Focus Digital previously broke the news ahead of launch about the iPhone 16e name for Apple's upcoming iPhone SE successor.

Apple is expected to debut the iPhone 17 lineup next month, with an announcement rumored to be happening on Tuesday, September 9, so we don't have long to wait to find out all the specifics.

Article Link: iPhone 17 Air to Feature A19 Pro Chip With Reduced GPU Performance
Thermal constraints? Thinner=less concern about thermals.

Not notice? Not only does Liquid Glass use the GPU, so does Apple Intelligence, which powers more and more of the system.

It’s looking more and more like this is a low-end “17e” not a “17 Plus” replacement.
 
Thermal constraint could be the only reason. For all normal use cases other than gaming, there should not be any performance issues. Also it is possible that Apple may decide to go with another name for the chip in the slim iPhone.
 
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I would expect a lot of celebrities and influencers, c suite execs etc to buy this phone.

Image conscious people!

I can’t remember the sales %age Of the iPhone X in 2017-18, but I bet it wasn’t amazing.

And Apple just may be ok with that.

The air is obviously the future of the soap bar iPhone.

If as is reported, the plus - and before that the mini - isn’t doing great shakes, Apple is probably happy if it beats those sales figures.

That allows them to justify continued investment into this form factor.

And then by 2028, the iPhone air will likely be the default iPhone, with the e series being the ‘traditional’ 6.1-2 inch iPhone.
 
Lots of people prefer thinner lighter phones.
I have the 16e and it’s incredibly light & a joy to use.

I came of age in the pre smartphone era, when each year phones got thinner and lighter - and I expect my smartphones to be the same!

The main problem is that I’ve scratched it way more than my other phones.

I keep on forgetting it’s in my pocket as it’s so light, so I put keys and my AirPods case in the same pocket…
 
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