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I'm weird, I play music all the time on my iPhone 15 pro as I am hanging out or whatever.

I have a super nice B&W portable bluetooth speaker, but then you gotta go get it, turn it on, sometimes re-pair it.....

I'm wondering how big a deal it would be to not have stereo sound? I mean, it is pretty limited sound from iPhone speakers, but there are times when I am in a large ambient room and my iPhone music sounds great.

My biggest peeve is how much the new iPhones weigh. I returned my 16 pro and went back to my 15 pro because the weight.

It I just too much weight banging around in my short pocket or joggers front pocket.

I also care about phone weight too. It's why I got a 16 as opposed to a 16 Pro. I don't want an e series phone in the future. So my next question is: which phone will be lighter, the 17 or the 17 Air?
 
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It makes perfect sense for Apple to not compromise on the airness of the Air when there are other models available and when those still holding on to physical SIM technology may be persuaded by the model/demand to evolve. This isn't abandoning a market, this is influencing markets while serving other markets.
The matter of eSIM-only can be an issue in countries where one’s address is fluid or imaginative. My actual address is “no number, no street” but it doesn’t make any difference because there’s no mail service at that location or at the address on my electric bill.

Yet, this from ATT Mexico:
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One doesn’t have to read Spanish to follow the instructions. A QR code is mailed to the customer.
 
I wonder how big a market there will be for an iPhone whose main USP seems to be that:

- It's thin (and light?) but...
- With less features than the regular 17 is likely to have.

Guess we'll find out this fall.

It feels very different from when we last had a unique vision of the iPhone of the future - the iPhone X - which was the best iPhone that you could get in 2017and a quantum leap compared to the 8 and 8 plus.
Agreed. Who is this device even for?
 
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The real question for me is what will the Pro have that this model won’t, outside of the obvious camera elements. Higher screen brightness, clearly the speaker, etc.. I am intrigued.
 
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The real question for me is what will the Pro have that this model won’t, outside of the obvious camera elements. Higher screen brightness, clearly the speaker, etc.. I am intrigued.
The 17 Pros will have 12 GB RAM according to rumours. Also Apple might start treating the Pro iPhones like the Apple Watch Ultra, by giving them significantly more battery life, but would not hold my breath on that happening.
 
No physical SIM slot means this phone won’t be available at least in Japan, and presumably at least some other major markets as well.

While there are lots of options in Japan for eSIM data service, the only way to get an actual phone number is with a physical SIM. And the only way to get a physical SIM is from an established carrier … and all the carriers require proof of residency — a long-stay visa at a minimum, if not permanent residency or citizenship.

Why?

Because banks and other “important” entities use SMS and callbacks as part of 2FA for services only available to residents. Basically, living in Japan is impossible without a Japanese phone number, and you’re not going to get that number without being in the country legally on something other than a tourist visa.

Therefore, all phones sold in Japan, and all phones used by Japanese residents, have a physical SIM.

(Feel free to complain about how pointless you think this is, but your complaints are themselves pointless. Might as well complain about, for example, how the IRS requires all American citizens to file taxes even if they long since moved overseas. Countries make their own laws and have their own customs — that’s what it means to be sovereign.)

Much as I personally prefer eSIM, I must admit to being skeptical that Apple would abandon a market as large and important as Japan by trying to force the matter in this way. If the rumor is accurate — which I doubt — it seems a major miscalculation by Apple.

I expect Japan will eventually abandon the physical SIM, but not any time soon. And I’ll be quite surprised if Apple actually abandons the physical SIM before Japan does.

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On top of all that, let’s also don’t forget China, Apple’s next biggest market, will almost certainly never adopt eSIM due to “reasons” that I’m not going into. The omission of physical SIM card makes no sense, unless Apple for some reason don’t want it to be sold outside of US.

There are other countries in the world.

Btw, I find it fascinating that to obtain a phone number in Japan, one needs to either hold a long term visa (student visa maybe?) or become a permanent resident. Understandable, just find it interesting. In Australia, nearly anyone can get a phone number afaik, including tourists, and many institutions and government bodies also use SMS as 2FA. So here is that.
 
It won’t bend if it’s titanium. Also, you and maybe 3 other people would buy a 15mm thick phone and Apple can’t live off 4 annual iPhone sales.
It certainly should not bend, but will they make it from titanium again?

And from a reddit poster, the camera bump is already about 13mm. Why would it matter if the rest of the back was flush with the cameras (or tapered at the edges to make 90% of the back flush with it)?

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I hope a mini version of it comes out in an iPhone 6 size. I am currently using the iPhone Mini 13 and I am very satisfied with it.

I don't need the latest model every year and it's enough for me to buy a new model every five years.

A loudspeaker and a camera are completely sufficient.
 
It certainly should not bend, but will they make it from titanium again?

And from a reddit poster, the camera bump is already about 13mm. Why would it matter if the rest of the back was flush with the cameras (or tapered at the edges to make 90% of the back flush with it)?

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Apple would be stupid to make an incredibly thin device out of aluminum again. Unless they like being ridiculed for bendgate again.
If they did make it thicker to make it flush, what would you use that space for? Aside from being an incredibly ugly, dated looking phone, it would be even heavier. A tapered back would be even worse than rounded. Please no.
 
I would welcome a super thin iPhone, even if battery life wasn’t the best, because I’m not a heavy daily phone user so I could always bring a slim Magsafe battery on days I plan to use it a lot (eg. taking lots of photos). I would also sacrifice physical SIM (don’t remember if I’ve ever changed one out), and stereo speakers IF they can somehow make the single earpiece speaker nearly as loud/clear as the stereo.
But I wouldn’t want to downgrade the camera just to make it thin. I would only do that if it’s a small one-handed phone—then the trade off would be worth it to me. If it’s going to be a big screen phone (thick or thin), then I want it to have the best camera possible. Other features I wouldn’t sacrifice for thinness: storage capacity, Magsafe, RAM.
 
Might not be possible to fit a zoom lens but would have liked to see an ultra wide one on the Air. With only a single lens, don't think I am planning to get one.
 
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How will Apple differentiate the iPhone 17 Air from the base iPhone 17 besides being super lightweight? Will they be able to fit magsafe in that razor thin of a design?
I don't remember seeing any rumors that the 17 Air won't contain Magsafe, so presumably it'll contain it. If so, it'll be interesting that Apple could cram the Magsafe hardware into the Air (it's more than just the charger alignment magnets), but not into the 16e, though I know the 16e is the replacement for the SE series, which never had Magsafe.
 
I like this. I don't need all the features for the camera, but the larger battery helps a lot.
 
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17 Pro and Max rumors are what we want. Seriously, other than Apple investors, who really wants to know about overpriced and underspecced phones like the 16e (and rumored ‘air’)…
 
This isn't abandoning a market, this is influencing markets while serving other markets.
Apple will not be able to sell this air iPhone in China if there is no physical sim slot. Period. Dual physical sim I might add.
 
Agreed. Who is this device even for?
I imagine that Apple is only willing to take a risk here, presumably because the plus models must be relatively unsuccessful.

So perhaps Apple feels they might as well put a lot of r&d into how future iPhone models will be and sell the earliest version of this vision to those who want to hold a glimpse of the future right now.
 
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Because AirPods exist if you want better audio fidelity, especially for music or video

And the thinness comes with compromises, which some people will accept if it’s important to them
So let’s get this correct if you purchase a mobile for like 900 or more
Then to improve the experience so then need to buy AirPods for an issue that Apple created by designing a mobile like that
 
Or imagine if this thing is actually a flip phone mwahaha!
It’s been 20 years since flip phones were successful back in 2004. This was before Apple 🍎 came out with there revolutionary earth shattering game changer product called: iPhone 📱

Back in 2004, Nokia, Motorola, LG and Samsung had there successful flip phones.
 
It’s been 20 years since flip phones were successful back in 2004. This was before Apple 🍎 came out with there revolutionary earth shattering game changer product called: iPhone 📱

Back in 2004, Nokia, Motorola, LG and Samsung had there successful flip phones.
Yes but there is now in that people are used to the candy bar shape for a smartphone & only see incremental changes
 
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