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I'm the opposite. I much prefer the Dynamic Island. IMO it looks better and it's more functional.

To be honest, if this was still the product-focused Apple from 10-15 years ago, we wouldn't even be talking about some sort of a notch or dynamic island or whatever. Like, it's a 2027 model, it shouldn't have the same notch/cutouts as models from 8 years ago (notch) and basic models should all have a much smaller dynamic island which was introduced 3 years ago and Pro or higher end models (which, they're all priced as if they were pro models) shouldn't have anything at all. Apple used to be cutting edge, now it's so, so, so boring...
 
To be honest, if this was still the product-focused Apple from 10-15 years ago, we wouldn't even be talking about some sort of a notch or dynamic island or whatever. Like, it's a 2027 model, it shouldn't have the same notch/cutouts as models from 8 years ago (notch) and basic models should all have a much smaller dynamic island which was introduced 3 years ago and Pro or higher end models (which, they're all priced as if they were pro models) shouldn't have anything at all. Apple used to be cutting edge, now it's so, so, so boring...
"Pro" phones should be cutting edge with new features.

"Regular" phones should have trickle down tech and get "pro" features from last year (except for 1-2 features).

"E" phones should be boring, efficient machines with little innovation or thrill that just work.
 
Lack of MagSafe is a headscratcher as it stops Apple selling MagSage accessories to iPhone 16e owners...


The challenge for Apple is how to stop the "e" model cannibalising regular iPhone sales. Surely they would want to maximise the differences between the "e" model and the regular model. Sure, adding 120 Hz to the regular model widens the gap, but then moving to the dynamic island reduces it again...

The only thing I can think of is that Apple intends to update the "e" model every year and is looking to push it up the offering to replace the previous year's regular iPhone at the $699 price point. When the 17e is released next Easter, you will have the regular iPhone 16 at $100 more than the 17e, with the ultrawide camera, U2 chip and MagSafe being the only obvious differences, but a worse APU than the 17e (A19 with faster speed and any other features it unlocks).

I agree, with SE the difference was much clearer - years old chassis of a smaller size than their mainline offerings and a much lower price point. Whereas with current 16e a regular person will most likely notice the absence of the second camera first and the rest of the differences might be discovered much later.
 
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"Pro" phones should be cutting edge with new features.

"Regular" phones should have trickle down tech and get "pro" features from last year (except for 1-2 features).

"E" phones should be boring, efficient machines with little innovation or thrill that just work.

Well at €729 I certainly don't want a low refresh rate and a notch in 2026. When the 1st SE came out, it was very far from boring and it was priced very good as well.

16 Pro shouldn't have an island anymore, and when 17 Pro comes out some sort of a "dynamic island" should be a thing of 2023 at most. Regular iPhone 16 should have high refresh rate just like 14 Pro had and 17 also shouldn't have an island at all, island should be on the 17e and some sort of a notch dated back to iPhone X shouldn't even be a thing on 2026 models. When I see the notch it almost feels nostalgic, like seeing a Touch ID or the original Home Button. It's dated, and nobody should be paying that kind of money this. If it was 500 Euro, fine...almost 800 Euro? Not a chance. I wouldn't recommend 16e to my worst enemy.

I have a 14 Pro now, and as much as I hate how heavy and big it is, 15/15 Pro and 16/16 Pro don't feel like an upgrade. From what we're seeing about 17, other than ugliest design I've ever seen in an iPhone, I still don't feel like buying it since my 14 Pro is still more or less the same. My 14 Pro came out in 2022, like...E/SE model should be something like my 14 Pro by now, not something more like a stripped-down iPhone 12.
 
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Well at €729 I certainly don't want a low refresh rate and a notch in 2026. When the 1st SE came out, it was very far from boring and it was priced very good as well.

16 Pro shouldn't have an island anymore, and when 17 Pro comes out some sort of a "dynamic island" should be a thing of 2023 at most. Regular iPhone 16 should have high refresh rate just like 14 Pro had and 17 also shouldn't have an island at all, island should be on the 17e and some sort of a notch dated back to iPhone X shouldn't even be a thing on 2026 models. When I see the notch it almost feels nostalgic, like seeing a Touch ID or the original Home Button. It's dated, and nobody should be paying that kind of money this. If it was 500 Euro, fine...almost 800 Euro? Not a change. I wouldn't recommend 16e to my worst enemy.
I hear you - but a huge part of that price is the VAT. That's a problem with the EU, not necessarily Apple. 120-130 in VAT absolutely makes it expensive for what it is.

I'm not sticking up for Apple or any company, but can't really expect them to make the phone 500 euros and absorb the VAT. Especially if you don't want 2017 tech in it.

Plus, as it's been said many times, the EU advertised prices include all fees. The US ones don't (tax is added at checkout). So it looks that much more of a rip off.
 
The Pixel 9a likely broadsided Apple's plans for the 16e. I don't know which sells more but if you look at them both on paper, Google wins.
And the Pixel a is especially dangerous for Apple, as everyone has a gmail account i.e. switching your stuff over to pixel is pretty easy, as most of it is already on Google anyway.
 
iPhone 17e screen size is tiny compared to the ginormous 6.6 inch display on the iPhone 17 Air!
 
What gonna be the selling point of this phone if vastly superiors new 16 or refurbished 15pro will be only 100 bucks more expensive (and I am not talking about refurbished 16 that probably will be at exactly same price as 17e) ? However it will make sense to add 17e Mini as it will be a unique phone in their lineup as well as in the whole industry, perfect as first phone (remember, they still have small hands?) for kids and perfect replacement for those who will be switching from theirs outdated 13 Minis in 1-2 years (myself included).
 
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I do not mean this to be snarky, but why even sell this phone? What is the difference over a 24-36 month contract? Four or five bucks? And if one can afford to pay outright, why not just take the step up for not a lot of money?

And I was an SE owner. That little 5-inch device. It was admittedly awesome.
 
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I’m not a leaker but… I think the iPhone 17e, if there’s one, will have the same iPhone 14 body that the 16e uses. However, it’s possible that they end up adopting the iPhone 15/16/17 style, but I think it’s highly unlikely.

Maybe for the iPhone 18e, with a much more distinctive design across the board, they will adopt the iPhone 15 design.

I mean, if they use the iPhone 15/16/17 body on the 17e, then the device is going to look almost the same as the regular, non-pro iPhone 17! I don’t think that’s happening…
 
I’m not a leaker but… I think the iPhone 17e, if there’s one, will have the same iPhone 14 body that the 16e uses. However, it’s possible that they end up adopting the iPhone 15/16/17 style, but I think it’s highly unlikely.

Maybe for the iPhone 18e, with a much more distinctive design across the board, they will adopt the iPhone 15 design.

I mean, if they use the iPhone 15/16/17 body on the 17e, then the device is going to look almost the same as the regular, non-pro iPhone 17! I don’t think that’s happening…

You could sit a 14, 15 and 16 in front of me and, without looking at the sides, I couldn't tell you which was which. How is the 14 different other than not being wrapped with titanium, visually?
 
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The iPhone 'e' is the only model in the lineup still sporting the notch. I'm sure that once Apple has depleted their inventory of those...it makes for sense economically and from a de-fragmentation standpoint to add the Island to the 'e'.
 
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You could sit a 14, 15 and 16 in front of me and, without looking at the sides, I couldn't tell you which was which. How is the 14 different other than not being wrapped with titanium, visually?
For one, the 15 and 16 still use aluminum, not titanium. Only the Pro models, which I haven’t talked about, used titanium: the 15 Pro and the 16 Pro, with the 17 Pro using only aluminum this year.

But let’s focus on the regular, non-Pro models. The ones being discussed here. You’re right that the size difference between the 12/13/14 design and the 15/16/17 design is almost non-existent. I’ve measured a 14 and a 15 face to face, together, and the 15 is maybe only 1mm bigger.

But the design… the design is different, and that’s just based on what we see from the outside. Maybe internally the differences are bigger.

The edges on the 12/13/14 are quite angular, while the 15/16/17 body has rounded edges. Thus, the machinery used for both designs is different. Two different production lines. Also, the screens are different as well, with the 15/16/17 having rounder corners with bigger radius curve than the 12/13/14, and one has a Notch and the other the Dynamic Island.

Sure, the differences between both designs aren’t big enough for the majority of the people, but the production lines are different, and I suspect the 12/13/14 pieces are cheaper to manufacture or they have more stock available.

Sure, eventually Apple will start using the iPhone 15/16/17 body for the iPhone “e” variant. Because the pieces will keep being cheaper to produce eventually. I’m just saying that I don’t see it happening next year with the 17e, but rather in 2027 with the 18e, because by then Apple will have -allegedly- more attractive devices in their iPhone lineup.

That’s just my opinion but, as I said, I’m not a leaker, I’m just deducting the most likely path of action, and if the leaker doesn’t have a great track record, then I don’t think I will believe for now.
 
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