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Seriously though, I just got a 16e and it’s light as a feather. Yeah the 13 mini is even lighter, but the screen is just too small, and the battery life isn’t very good. Apple lists >50% longer battery life for the 16e over the 13 mini.

Ideally I would prefer an iPhone 14 Pro with all it's features (maybe except the obnoxious camera bump) and build quality in the size of the 13 Mini. I would also be happy with the camera system 16e has. Apple just can't innovate anymore, literally anyone can make a phablet with the feature set of the 16e and sell it for less than half the price, it's nothing special. Apple should push innovation and cram as much tech into as small of a package as possible, just like they did with iPhone 4, 4S or 5 at the time.
 
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Not necessarily, as I currently run iOS 26 beta on iPhone 11 (not Pro) and it works ok. I suppose Apple will further optimise it for older devices towards the public release.

I have it on 14 Pro and my battery is dead by afternoon with very little use. It lasts me 2-3 days on iOS 18, and I know we're on 1st beta, but I seriously doubt they will optimize it to the point where it will perform good as older iOS versions. This isn't surprising, it's been the case with Apple pushing obsolescence ever since (iOS 7-9 on iPhone 4S is a good example, iOS 15 on iPhone SE 2016 is another - you can literally see % drop within minutes while it lasts all day without breaking a sweat on iOS 10).
 
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13 Mini barely gets you through the day on iOS 18. A 14 Pro gets me through the day just fine, except it feels like I'm carrying a brick in my pocket. I'm not happy with Apple's iPhones since at least iPhone 5, 13 Mini is "okay", but simply not as good as an iPhone 5 on iOS 6, which not only get's you through the day but also has roughly 50% when I go to sleep. You seem happy with phablets, so my comment shouldn't concern you.
Seems like you’re not happy with yourself rather than Apple. Move on, be happy, enjoy what you’ve got.
 
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Seems like you’re not happy with yourself rather than Apple. Move on, be happy, enjoy what you’ve got.

Well I certainly can't enjoy what I've got because I was forced to get what I've got by Apple's push for obsolescence, and since I do want to use an iPhone, I'm stuck with a brick, and it seems Apple hasn't produced an iPhone that I'd enjoy since at least 2020. They're selling phablets now, the same Apple that used to laugh at phablets before and used to praise their sense of user's needs (comfort of use, ability to use the iPhone with one hand). Soon, my brick will be slow and will last 5 hours on single charge, and I'll have to buy another brick.
 
Well I certainly can't enjoy what I've got because I was forced to get what I've got by Apple's push for obsolescence, and since I do want to use an iPhone, I'm stuck with a brick, and it seems Apple hasn't produced an iPhone that I'd enjoy since at least 2020. They're selling phablets now, the same Apple that used to laugh at phablets before and used to praise their sense of user's needs (comfort of use, ability to use the iPhone with one hand). Soon, my brick will be slow and will last 5 hours on single charge, and I'll have to buy another brick.

FWIW, other people in my house are using iPhone 12 mini with an original unchanged battery on iOS 18.5 without any complaints. How is this for obsolescence? 😉

You have several simple solutions:
- go back to a stable iOS 18.5;
- replace a battery of your iPhone if it is too depleted;
- do not install early betas on devices that you rely upon.
 
FWIW, other people in my house are using iPhone 12 mini with an original unchanged battery on iOS 18.5 without any complaints. How is this for obsolescence? 😉

You have several simple solutions:
- go back to a stable iOS 18.5;
- replace a battery of your iPhone if it is too depleted;
- do not install early betas on devices that you rely upon.

You don't understand what I'm saying. Come back when they install iOS 26 in September.
 
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I personally disagree; I have the 16 Pro Max, and it’s definitely not a phablet in my opinion. It’s great for watching content and for just overall having a good reading experience; plus it benefits my eyes so that way I don’t have to have my phone as close to my face as I would if the phone was smaller.
Right, that's something you buy a... tablet for? How do you use 16 pro max holding it with one palm on a train or on a bus? can you reach the new upper corner with your thumb?

On a phone I want to write a text, check some news, maybe weather, check if I got a new email. If I want to watch content I have my 14' Mac.
 
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I think screen sizes are not going to change in the near future. Think it is more likely that the hole cut out will be in the center of the screen. Other than this expecting internal changes only.
 
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I hope they will figure out how to shrink the Dynamic Island but not getting my hopes up.
 
I just hope it comes with a new display driver. Since the iPhone 13 Pro I've experienced horrible vertigo. While my 14 has been good to me, there will come a point where it will reach end of life and need to be replaced.
Would be nice if Apple has a model that doesn't make my head swim if I dare look at it for more than 30 seconds by then.
 
Right, that's something you buy a... tablet for? How do you use 16 pro max holding it with one palm on a train or on a bus? can you reach the new upper corner with your thumb?

On a phone I want to write a text, check some news, maybe weather, check if I got a new email. If I want to watch content I have my 14' Mac.
No it isn’t. And an iPad can’t connect to the Internet without Wi-Fi unless you get a cellular plan and a cellular iPad. And that just adds to the cost of an iPad because the cellular models are more expensive than just the Wi-Fi models. And I don’t use my phone one handed, I never have. I even used my first phone, which had a 4.8” display, with two hands. I typically always use my phone two handed other than when I’m on a phone call because that’s how I’ve always used my phone. I never understood the desire or need to use it one handed especially as it hinders my ability to type quickly.

I do a lot more stuff on my iPhone than you do on yours, and that’s fine, but don’t try and somehow say I need a tablet when an iPhone serves my needs perfectly well. And I watch content on the go a lot, and an iPad is just too big for me to bring on the train or bus with me.
 
This is where we say: “Steve Jobs would have never allowed it!” 😋

Seriously, though, Apple was all about design, symmetry and attention to detail, and now they will go the route of cheap Android phones, sticking those pinholes off centre?


I have faith Apple will give the camera hole some sort of Apple touch so that it doesn’t look too much like an ugly android device 🤢
 
Ideally I would prefer an iPhone 14 Pro with all it's features (maybe except the obnoxious camera bump) and build quality in the size of the 13 Mini. I would also be happy with the camera system 16e has. Apple just can't innovate anymore, literally anyone can make a phablet with the feature set of the 16e and sell it for less than half the price, it's nothing special. Apple should push innovation and cram as much tech into as small of a package as possible, just like they did with iPhone 4, 4S or 5 at the time.
There are physical size constraints that can’t be overcome, that is the point we’re at now with technology maturing. The camera module in the iPhone 4/5 was absolutely tiny, and buyers wouldn’t accept the image quality from that in 2025. There is also a ton of other hardware that has been added over the years that takes up space in a chassis: multiple cameras, additional speaker and microphones, LiDAR, FaceID components, Magsafe and wireless charging components, NFC, additional buttons, a full screen display with no bezels, etc etc. The chips also run hotter and need a larger chassis to radiate heat.

Apple doesn’t have a shrink ray, they have to buy their components from suppliers, and yes they can design custom components, but it’s not magic. To fit all of that in an iPhone mini body would sacrifice a ton of battery life, and it would not sell well, so why should they pour money into developing it?

I’m sure Apple doesn’t like the camera bumps either, but to get a large sensor, and the lenses needed for it, into a thin body, it’s what has to be done. The camera sensor in the pro models is nearly an inch these days, the sensor during the iPhone 5 days was like 1/3”, so it’s roughly 4x bigger, which means the lens setup has to be at least that much bigger, but even moreso as the aperture is now f1.8, whereas it was f2.4 on the iPhone 5. They’ve also added sensor shift image stabilization, which makes the sensor housing larger, and the periscope for the telephoto.

The iPhone pro models are already some of the smallest flagship phones on the market, what more could you ask for? Who else is making a sub 6” flagship? How many people would be willing to accept all the sacrifices that would come with an iPhone 5 sized flagship (that would still cost $1K due to the extra R&D and low sales volume)?
 
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Well I certainly can't enjoy what I've got because I was forced to get what I've got by Apple's push for obsolescence, and since I do want to use an iPhone, I'm stuck with a brick, and it seems Apple hasn't produced an iPhone that I'd enjoy since at least 2020. They're selling phablets now, the same Apple that used to laugh at phablets before and used to praise their sense of user's needs (comfort of use, ability to use the iPhone with one hand). Soon, my brick will be slow and will last 5 hours on single charge, and I'll have to buy another brick.
Respectfully, Apple is not pushing for obsolesence. You are making broad, wide ranging assumptions based on the first beta of a major OS overhaul and upgrade; like I mentioned in an earlier post, the betas have debugging code enabled that slows down performance, and they likely haven't yet made any significant optimizations. Performance is spotty even on Apple's highest end devices as a result of the debugging code, its why I downgraded back to iOS 18 until Beta 2 as with Beta 2 they will likely have made performance optimizations, and that optimization cycle will continue through to the end of the beta cycle (alongside further feature additions and refinements to the user interface based on feedback) when it releases to the public in September. Even my M3 Max MBP on the first beta of macOS Tahoe isn't performing perfectly right now, and thats fine, because it is the first beta out of eight or nine betas that will be released between now and September.

You claim planned obsolesence, but they support their devices for as many as close to ten years (six major OS upgrades and numerous point updates that add more features on top of each major version release + four years of security updates), based off the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus which got an update as recently as March 31 of this year, over 9 years after the devices first released.

Saying they haven't produced a phone you'd enjoy since 2020 is your opinion, and you're allowed to have it, even though I don't personally agree with it, or understand why you have that kind of thinking where apparently Apple hasn't had a good phone since the iPhone 5 running iOS 6 despite the fact that all phones released since the iPhone 5 have better battery life than it. The point is, iOS 26 beta 1 is not representative of what the final version of 26.0 will be or how it will perform, and therefore, accusing Apple of planned obsolesence with the first beta of a major OS overhaul is not really partaking in a good faith discussion. When iOS 7 rolled around they even pushed it out to the iPhone 4 in an attempt to lengthen software support, despite the fact that it just couldn't handle iOS 7's visual effects and heavier load, and as a result it struggled; its why they dropped it with iOS 8. But we aren't in that period anymore where Apple's smartphones have weak chips or weak GPUs to where we have similar experiences to where a major OS upgrade takes a jackhammer to performance. By the time iOS 26 releases to the public, it will likely have the same or similar performance to iOS 18, or maybe even better. Therefore I wouldn't really make any assumptions or judgements until the final release in September.
 
There are physical size constraints that can’t be overcome, that is the point we’re at now with technology maturing. The camera module in the iPhone 4/5 was absolutely tiny, and buyers wouldn’t accept the image quality from that in 2025. There is also a ton of other hardware that has been added over the years that takes up space in a chassis: multiple cameras, additional speaker and microphones, LiDAR, FaceID components, Magsafe and wireless charging components, NFC, additional buttons, a full screen display with no bezels, etc etc. The chips also run hotter and need a larger chassis to radiate heat.

Apple doesn’t have a shrink ray, they have to buy their components from suppliers, and yes they can design custom components, but it’s not magic. To fit all of that in an iPhone mini body would sacrifice a ton of battery life, and it would not sell well, so why should they pour money into developing it?

I’m sure Apple doesn’t like the camera bumps either, but to get a large sensor, and the lenses needed for it, into a thin body, it’s what has to be done. The camera sensor in the pro models is nearly an inch these days, the sensor during the iPhone 5 days was like 1/3”, so it’s roughly 4x bigger, which means the lens setup has to be at least that much bigger, but even moreso as the aperture is now f1.8, whereas it was f2.4 on the iPhone 5. They’ve also added sensor shift image stabilization, which makes the sensor housing larger, and the periscope for the telephoto.

The iPhone pro models are already some of the smallest flagship phones on the market, what more could you ask for? Who else is making a sub 6” flagship? How many people would be willing to accept all the sacrifices that would come with an iPhone 5 sized flagship (that would still cost $1K due to the extra R&D and low sales volume)?

I appreciate your response, but this doesn’t sound like the Steve’s Apple way of doing things. That sounds more like HTC or Samsung or Nokia’s Lumia mentality and reasoning - accepting limitations today’s tech in phones and thus making bulky uncomfortable and heavy devices? Looking at what can’t be done rather than bruteforcing innovation?

Apple can have all the gimmicks in a Pro device, but a regular iPhone should be compact easy to use with one hand and pack a punch, just like the 12 Mini and 13 Mini. They could literally improve these two with today’s tech. If they can make a phone as thin as the rumored 17 Air, I’m pretty sure they can make a new “Mini”. How much of a camera do you really need for everyday tasks as a non-Pro iPhone user? How many hours do you intend to spend on doomscrolling scrolling ticktock and watching Youtube that you need a phablet sized iPhone? I use an iPhone for quick emails, calls, music, a few messages here and there, slither.io on the loo and a few photos, carplay, apple pay, basic things. I don’t need a phablet to consume media all day long, I don’t need 3 gigantic cameras since I’m not a photographer, I only bought the Pro so that it lasts a few years of hardware demands by the upcoming iOS versions, but I hate this form factor. I do love the build quality, pro motion, taptic engine and the island, these are all fantastic features and if this was in the same form factor as 13 Mini, I would not say a word. I’m pretty sure Apple with it’s resources is fully capable of making an actual iPhone that isn’t a phablet, but their brain goes where the money is, and that’s because the company is run by accountants and not visionaries and it shows - just look at the Vision Pro fiasco, what the hell is even that?! :D They lost so much money on this thing and continue to lose money on it, while they kill off the “Mini” models of iPhone (which shouldn’t even be called a Mini, it’s just s regular iPhone) because it sold less than a phablet, but so did the Max models. A visionary isn’t tied to today’s tech, if Jobs was still at Apple, he would definitely have the balls to tell you to go and buy a phablet elsewhere, we’re making an iPhone and an iPhone should never be a phablet. Today’s iPhone lineup doesn’t represent iPhone’s core values, and Max models are a total abomination good for nothing else but doomscrolling, and since doomscrolling is what majority of people do these days, we’ll continue to get phablets instead of phones since that’s where the money is and that’s all Apple’s accountant of a CEO and the rest of them care about.

I want a normal sized iPhone, stop treating me like I’m asking for a flying car.
 
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I appreciate your response, but this doesn’t sound like the Steve’s Apple way of doing things. That sounds more like HTC or Samsung or Nokia’s Lumia mentality and reasoning - accepting limitations today’s tech in phones and thus making bulky uncomfortable and heavy devices? Looking at what can’t be done rather than bruteforcing innovation?

Apple can have all the gimmicks in a Pro device, but a regular iPhone should be compact easy to use with one hand and pack a punch, just like the 12 Mini and 13 Mini. They could literally improve these two with today’s tech. If they can make a phone as thin as the rumored 17 Air, I’m pretty sure they can make a new “Mini”. How much of a camera do you really need for everyday tasks as a non-Pro iPhone user? How many hours do you intend to spend on doomscrolling scrolling ticktock and watching Youtube that you need a phablet sized iPhone? I use an iPhone for quick emails, calls, music, a few messages here and there, slither.io on the loo and a few photos, carplay, apple pay, basic things. I don’t need a phablet to consume media all day long, I don’t need 3 gigantic cameras since I’m not a photographer, I only bought the Pro so that it lasts a few years of hardware demands by the upcoming iOS versions, but I hate this form factor. I do love the build quality, pro motion, taptic engine and the island, these are all fantastic features and if this was in the same form factor as 13 Mini, I would not say a word. I’m pretty sure Apple with it’s resources is fully capable of making an actual iPhone that isn’t a phablet, but their brain goes where the money is, and that’s because the company is run by accountants and not visionaries and it shows - just look at the Vision Pro fiasco, what the hell is even that?! :D They lost so much money on this thing and continue to lose money on it, while they kill off the “Mini” models of iPhone (which shouldn’t even be called a Mini, it’s just s regular iPhone) because it sold less than a phablet, but so did the Max models. A visionary isn’t tied to today’s tech, if Jobs was still at Apple, he would definitely have the balls to tell you to go and buy a phablet elsewhere, we’re making an iPhone and an iPhone should never be a phablet. Today’s iPhone lineup doesn’t represent iPhone’s core values, and Max models are a total abomination good for nothing else but doomscrolling, and since doomscrolling is what majority of people do these days, we’ll continue to get phablets instead of phones since that’s where the money is and that’s all Apple’s accountant of a CEO and the rest of them care about.

I want a normal sized iPhone, stop treating me like I’m asking for a flying car.
Respectfully, the reason they discontinued the Mini lineup of phones is because, while there were some people who bought the phones, such as yourself, to Apple they weren't selling enough of them to warrant keeping them in the product stack. In 2024, the best selling phone was the iPhone 15, with the iPhone 15 Pro Max in the second spot. Most people have adjusted to, or even prefer, the larger screens now. In 2022 and 2023 it was the same. The mini phones never even charted, because not enough people bought them. Apple tried bringing a smaller phone with the modern iPhone design and modern iPhone features into the market, but it never took off. The battery life of the 12 and 13 mini were, as far as I'm aware, not as good as the regular phones either, and it was just too small for most people. There just isn't a market for small phones anymore; its why every single manufacturer has moved away from really small phones. Even ASUS moved away from small phones in their ZenFone lineup and they were one of the last ones remanining who still made small phones. So it's very, very unlikely that Apple will bring back the Mini phones.

Also, I'd argue that the iPhone doesn't really have a core set of values, when the things that people look for in a smartphone change on a regular basis. The iPhone world of 2007-2013 just won't hold up to today's needs or desires or wants that people look for in a smartphone. And I vehemently disagree that the Pro Max models are an abomination, considering I have had the Pro Max variant of the devices since 2020 and I still love them. They help me see things better on the screen, and even though I don't have bad eyesight (in fact I have quite good eyesight), they also help me avoid having to have the phone as close to my face as would otherwise be necessary with a smaller phone.

The base and non-Max Pros are the normal sized variants of the iPhone these days. And I personally do a lot more than just doomscroll on my iPhone, as do most iPhone owners.
 
Respectfully, Apple is not pushing for obsolesence. You are making broad, wide ranging assumptions based on the first beta of a major OS overhaul and upgrade; like I mentioned in an earlier post, the betas have debugging code enabled that slows down performance, and they likely haven't yet made any significant optimizations. Performance is spotty even on Apple's highest end devices as a result of the debugging code, its why I downgraded back to iOS 18 until Beta 2 as with Beta 2 they will likely have made performance optimizations, and that optimization cycle will continue through to the end of the beta cycle (alongside further feature additions and refinements to the user interface based on feedback) when it releases to the public in September. Even my M3 Max MBP on the first beta of macOS Tahoe isn't performing perfectly right now, and thats fine, because it is the first beta out of eight or nine betas that will be released between now and September.

You claim planned obsolesence, but they support their devices for as many as close to ten years (six major OS upgrades and numerous point updates that add more features on top of each major version release + four years of security updates), based off the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus which got an update as recently as March 31 of this year, over 9 years after the devices first released.

No, I'm not making assumptions based on this particular beta. I know what beta version are, I know what they do and I know what to expect, as I've been testing betas on iPhones since at least 2009. And from experience, I will share what is considered common knowledge in the legacyjailbreak community:

Remember that Apple won't let you downgrade to an older iOS version, it's important for later.

1. Do you you have an older iPhone to test this with? The SE 1st gen is a very good example for this test, as it runs the still somewhat supported iOS 15 and can now be downgraded all the way to iOS 9. I have a brand new battery in mine, and can tell you that newly set up SE 1st gen on iOS 15 with almost no media consumption and used for basic task (texts, calls, email, music, carplay, apple pay, some cut the rope on the loo) lasts from 7am roughly until 6-7pm, at that point the battery is dead. Downgrade it to iOS 11, and I can still do all these things (except for Apple pay) for the same amount of time, and have 40-50% at 6-7pm.

2. Yes, Apple will keep pushing updates for older hardware and you will take it as Apple being nice and helping you keep your device longer. Is that what they really want? Do you think a company like Apple doesn't want you to upgrade every two years? They push updates, but what do they mean for you? Why not release security updates for the version best suitable for the hardware if they really are trying to let you keep your for longer and have you have it perform at it's best? If they had your interest at heart, they would make sure you can use the iOS version you're happy with. Does that make sense? Apple is a lot less aggressive with their push for users to update iOS, but they still do push and want to have as many devices as possible on the latest version, and once you're there's there's no going back.

3. Let's stay with the SE 1st gen for a moment, which is basically the same as 6S/Plus. I tested iOS 14 and 15 betas on this phone, and no matter what, the release version was killing the battery exactly the same way the betas did. This isn't exclusive to the SE, the same was happening on my Xs. If you compare an Xs on iOS 18 to an Xs on iOS 15, you will see the same effect as you would on the SE. I won't get into the mess that iOS 18 is, but even on iOS 17, the phone just doesn't perform as good as it did on 12-15. Why do you think that is? Yes, they keep adding features, but at what cost? Should the features be more optimized? They had beta tests, betas showed the versions are really bad for the phone, why not "optimize" before release? Surely the final release versions will be ironed out - No. They kept on releasing minor updates with very little improvement. So yes, they keep your phone supported, but at what cost for you? At cost of your experience with the phone, and slowly making you feel like you need to upgrade. This is common knowledge.

4. Why do you think Apple doesn't let me officially downgrade to iOS 11? For "security reasons"? There is barely any noticeable difference in capabilities between the two versions, yet one kills the phone by 50% at lunch time, the other can go on until the next day's lunch. Why not let me decide what iOS version I want to use? Why aggressively push me to update, and why not let me downgrade? I would happily downgrade to iOS 11 officially signed by Apple and rather not use the latest apps (you can still download older versions of apps from the appstore), why not let me? Because that would make my phone faster, last longer, and make me keep the phone? Let's now be naive, and look back at the very moment where Jobs said no to downgrades.

Apple's push for obsolescence is real, there's no denying it. Try using a Mac Mini late 2008 on Sequoia. At least it's still "supported", right? With the latest Tahoe swing, just see how many Macs are being dropped. Macs that are barely 4-5 years old.
 
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Respectfully, the reason they discontinued the Mini lineup of phones is because, while there were some people who bought the phones, such as yourself, to Apple they weren't selling enough of them to warrant keeping them in the product stack. In 2024, the best selling phone was the iPhone 15, with the iPhone 15 Pro Max in the second spot. Most people have adjusted to, or even prefer, the larger screens now. In 2022 and 2023 it was the same. The mini phones never even charted, because not enough people bought them. Apple tried bringing a smaller phone with the modern iPhone design and modern iPhone features into the market, but it never took off. The battery life of the 12 and 13 mini were, as far as I'm aware, not as good as the regular phones either, and it was just too small for most people. There just isn't a market for small phones anymore; its why every single manufacturer has moved away from really small phones. Even ASUS moved away from small phones in their ZenFone lineup and they were one of the last ones remanining who still made small phones. So it's very, very unlikely that Apple will bring back the Mini phones.

Also, I'd argue that the iPhone doesn't really have a core set of values, when the things that people look for in a smartphone change on a regular basis. The iPhone world of 2007-2013 just won't hold up to today's needs or desires or wants that people look for in a smartphone. And I vehemently disagree that the Pro Max models are an abomination, considering I have had the Pro Max variant of the devices since 2020 and I still love them. They help me see things better on the screen, and even though I don't have bad eyesight (in fact I have quite good eyesight), they also help me avoid having to have the phone as close to my face as would otherwise be necessary with a smaller phone.

The base and non-Max Pros are the normal sized variants of the iPhone these days. And I personally do a lot more than just doomscroll on my iPhone, as do most iPhone owners.

Why would a different iPhone be the best selling iPhone in 2024? What were the options? :D Did you know that the 13 Mini outsold 13 Pro Max? There always was and will be market for smaller phones, even if they don't sell as good as the 15-sized phones, they do sell.

You disagree with a lot of things, so I'll stop feeding this disagreement. You are happy with a Max, and that's all I need to know and this is where we need to cut the chase and stop.
 
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Why would a different iPhone be the best selling iPhone in 2024? What were the options? :D Did you know that the 13 Mini outsold 13 Pro Max? There always was and will be market for smaller phones, even if they don't sell as good as the 15-sized phones, they do sell.
Globally in 2022, the number one selling phone from any brand was the iPhone 13. Number 2 was the 13 Pro Max.

The 13 mini didn’t even crack the top 10.

The 13 mini was released in 2021, so 2022 was its first full year of sales.
 
Globally in 2022, the number one selling phone from any brand was the iPhone 13. Number 2 was the 13 Pro Max.

The 13 mini didn’t even crack the top 10.

The 13 mini was released in 2021, so 2022 was its first full year of sales.

I think I heard some Youtube say that, I didn't actually go and check that on Forbes myself. Sorry! Ignore me
 
Globally in 2022, the number one selling phone from any brand was the iPhone 13. Number 2 was the 13 Pro Max.

The 13 mini didn’t even crack the top 10.

The 13 mini was released in 2021, so 2022 was its first full year of sales.
Does the Mac mini crack the top 10 of best-selling computers from any brand?

The point of the iPhone mini is to have a normal-sized phone in the lineup for people who want a mobile device. It doesn't stop others from buying phablets if they want them.
 
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Does the Mac mini crack the top 10 of best-selling computers from any brand?
No, which is why it historically got neglected compared to the MacBook Air.

However, it can’t be compared to the 13 mini. The M4 Mac mini is a powerful computer that can run giant screens. It’s basically a MacBook Air without the battery and screen.

The 13 mini has both the battery and screen but they’re both really small, leading to a subpar experience for mainstream users. Even the kids around here don’t want them. Their parents bought them refurbished iPhone 13s or something similar instead.

The point of the iPhone mini is to have a normal-sized phone in the lineup for people who want a mobile device. It doesn't stop others from buying phablets if they want them.
The iPhone mini is not a normal sized phone in 2025. It’s a tiny phone with bad battery life that isn’t popular at all. The iPhone 16e is a MUCH better phone for mainstream users, even despite the higher price.
 
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