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Neat, thanks!

How do you get the "Live row? Is there a live mode you need to switch to before you see that option?

I'm confused about Live shots, since sometimes when I take a pic it does it statically (which is what I want), and sometimes it does it Live. I'll need to research what causes it to do one vs. the other, and how one controls this.
Hi. The same setting controls Live shots. I have mine set to On as I prefer taking Live shots. It gives me the option to edit them and choose the best frame afterwards.
If Live (Flash or Night Mode) is set to On then the icon will show in yellow:

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One more thing. In ‘Settings > Camera > Preserve Settings’ you can choose to ensure that your preferences stay the way you set them, rather than resetting to Apple’s presets:

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This would get me to upgrade from my 17 Pro, but that should be a software thing really, just don't apply all the garbage that is being applied, job done?

I know there's Halide 3 now but it's not quite as polished yet, for example it doesn't work as well when using Camera Control from a sleeping state and it always saves a RAW when using it from locked state even when you tell it not to. If I was going to get a replacement camera, I would want it to work as my main camera and for that, it needs to be reliable for quick shots etc.
I use NoFusion camera and while I like Halide, found this to be the option I use most when trying to get more realistic photos with the iPhone. (And sometimes the algorithmic shenanigans of the stock camera are pretty helpful).
 
Yeah but I can't see an adjustable aperture as being an upgrade.

Perhaps in a marketing sense it could be sold as an upgrade:

"The new iPhone! Now with an adjustable aperture! <whisper>That does literally nothing to benefit your photos!</whisper>"

Marketing as above would probably work, coz most people with iPhones are snapshooters and don't understand the technical aspects of photography, thus providing Apple a bogus means of hyping up a fairly useless camera feature as a means of boosting iPhone sales.
I'm sure they will upgrade the main lens with a 100 or 200 Megapixel version. Like before, they will take the next 2 years replacing the other 2 lens (1 each year) with the new standard .
 
I'm sure they will upgrade the main lens with a 100 or 200 Megapixel version. Like before, they will take the next 2 years replacing the other 2 lens (1 each year) with the new standard .

The iPhone already performs poorly at 48mp or whatever it's at right now, compared to pro cameras.

Boosting the megapixel count to 100 or 200mp will only make it worse.

The image sensor chips on the iPhone is the smallest on the market, hence the comparatively low quality of iPhone imagery compared to APS-C and FX format sensors.

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The iPhone already performs poorly at 48mp or whatever it's at right now, compared to pro cameras.

Boosting the megapixel count to 100 or 200mp will only make it worse.

The image sensor chips on the iPhone is the smallest on the market, hence the comparatively low quality of iPhone imagery compared to APS-C and FX format sensors.

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True but you are comparing and iPhone camera against full blown cameras. You don't think they will increase the sensor size or do something special to market that upgrade?
 
I think Apple would market a adjustable aperture (to a smaller aperture) as a means of increasing depth of field, specifically for photographs with a fairly close subject and distant background, where both subject and background are reasonably in-focus. And also for macro photography.

It'll probably be a simple aperture, like what you see in a Canon Elph or something. Just a little opaque panel with a small hole drilled in the middle that flicks in or out of the optical path, moved via some kinda solenoid.

I can't imagine they're going to have circular 11-blade adjustable apertures (etc.) like in pro cameras.
 
Smaller apertures can result in greater diffraction, which means a softer-looking (blurrier) image. This is also a problem on pro camera, especially those with high-resolution sensors. It's less of a problem with lower resolution sensors. It could be that smaller-aperture mode only activates in 12 megapixel mode to make diffraction-related softness less apparent. Or mebbe not.
 
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The iPhone already performs poorly at 48mp or whatever it's at right now, compared to pro cameras.

Boosting the megapixel count to 100 or 200mp will only make it worse.
Because it's not really a 48mp sensor. It's a 12MP sensor with the marketing slop of 4x Quad mode so they can label it 48MP.

Conclusion:
So, really these 48MP Quad Bayer sensors can’t offer much more detail than a 12MP sensor. Sensor and phone makers alike will tell you that smarter demosaicing algorithms can capture more detail, but our experience is that the gain is small – if there’s a gain to be had at all.

One way you can justify a $1,000 phone is by saying, yeah well it has a higher number on its sensor as compared to this $1,500 camera. Just like they manipulated megahertz for years, and put your internet speed in megaBITS to sound much faster than it really is (no one wants to pay $80 a month for 12 MB / second speeds but 100Mb? Sure!).

Higher MP has a few edge cases where it can be advantageous (digitally zooming into a portion of a picture), but higher MP = better pictures is delusional. The $60,000 ARRI Alexa 35 is the industry standard cinema camera and shoots at 14.5MP. And yes, there are tradeoffs for those of us who care about low light or night photography, where the lowest MP is the best, as it allows for more light collection per pixel (MP only gives you more resolution and a 3MP camera has plenty of resolution for a tiny phone screen).

As a photographer, I care nothing about variable aperture on a small sensor lens. I can't even understand an application where this would be useful, outside of macro photography and poor pictures of waterfalls (your aperture would need to be much smaller than what they will likely implement and the effect can be much better achieved with neutral density filters (sunglasses for cameras)).

If they wanted to innovate cameras, they could improve the video stability, like what GoPro does. You can hold your gopro and twist it back and forth like you are turning a doorknob, and the image remains perfectly level and stable. My $400 GoPro has better image stabilization than my $6,500 Nikon.
 
The image sensor chips on the iPhone is the smallest on the market...

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Not so. I'd expect that most point-and-shoot cameras that retail for <$400 will have sensors even smaller than the iPhone 17's. A quick glance through Canon's website indicates that holds for their point-and-shoots.

Further, the graphic you shared is highly misleading, since it simply stops at the iPhone 17's main lens sensor size, which is 1/1.28".

Here's a more complete graphic. Since 1/1.28" = 0.78", the iPhone 17's sensor falls part-way between the 1" and 2/3" sensors.
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and here i am with iphone se 2022 model not seeing any problems with my pictures. In fact , I didn't think there was a problem with iphone 6 pictures.

then again, I do not run a photography studio.
 
I use NoFusion camera and while I like Halide, found this to be the option I use most when trying to get more realistic photos with the iPhone. (And sometimes the algorithmic shenanigans of the stock camera are pretty helpful).
How is the speed of No Fusion? I found Halide terrible when trying to use it locked and activating via the Camera Control button, it would lag horribly on initial opening and also it didn't respect my option of not saving in RAW in this locked mode which was frustrating.
 
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