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iPhone 2 in January?
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I doubt it, I always thought so but the 1st one has only just come to europe.
I think it'll be like april, you might as well get one now, then sell it when the new one comes out if you need to. I was gonna wait but I read that they will add alot of functionality via software updates.
I think it'll be like april, you might as well get one now, then sell it when the new one comes out if you need to. I was gonna wait but I read that they will add alot of functionality via software updates.
They have to at least announce version 2 soonish as the pace of mobile phone releases moves so fast. Just look at how many models nokia come out with. It would be OK to say the new model was coming out in 6 months as they did with the first one-BUT why give the competition a head start as this time they don;t have ligitimate reasons for a pre announcement.
iphone has to be 3g (or better) before its really taken seriously. There is always that nagging doubt with the curent model. If it was launched in OZ I think I would wait.
I'm also torn about the touch as the iphone is what I want but I can't get one and the touch just seems a really fancy mp3 player to justify the cost. If it offered genuine applications (not just web gadets or widgets) then I would be tempted more.
iphone has to be 3g (or better) before its really taken seriously. There is always that nagging doubt with the curent model. If it was launched in OZ I think I would wait.
I'm also torn about the touch as the iphone is what I want but I can't get one and the touch just seems a really fancy mp3 player to justify the cost. If it offered genuine applications (not just web gadets or widgets) then I would be tempted more.
Chances are that iPhone is on a similar once a year refresh as iPod is.
I could see an announcement in Jan with release in May, or more realistically, because this is a the 2nd time round and dealing with the FCC maybe slightly faster, is an announcement in Feb alongside the SDK and release again in May or start of June.
Broadcom has released a new 3g chip that has the kind of battery characteristics that apple needs for sampling. Ramp up of the chip is about 4 to 5 months off. Which fits nicely in the timeframe above.
By May, flash prices should facilitate a 16GB iPhone model, probably $50 to $100 more than the current one, meanwhile, i could see the 8 Gig at that time dropping by $50, maybe, though unlikely to hit $299.
Meanwhile, and this is were i really go out on a limb, i do believe there's a iPhone nano of sorts, not really geared as a big time music/video player, more focused on email and phone. Storage around 2-4GB, maybe smaller screen with a physical keyboard to cope with reduced size of the on screen keyboard, perhaps hidden behind a slider mechanism. $199-$249.
When this comes out is anyone's guess, but i'm sure it'll be staggered from regular iPhone updates, to maintain "The Buzz (tm)".
As to iPod touch, well i'm sure it'll see the 16GB replace the 8GB and a 24-32GB model appear at the top end come Sept 08.
I don't have any insider knowledge, just makes sense based on Apple's previous moves.
M.
I could see an announcement in Jan with release in May, or more realistically, because this is a the 2nd time round and dealing with the FCC maybe slightly faster, is an announcement in Feb alongside the SDK and release again in May or start of June.
Broadcom has released a new 3g chip that has the kind of battery characteristics that apple needs for sampling. Ramp up of the chip is about 4 to 5 months off. Which fits nicely in the timeframe above.
By May, flash prices should facilitate a 16GB iPhone model, probably $50 to $100 more than the current one, meanwhile, i could see the 8 Gig at that time dropping by $50, maybe, though unlikely to hit $299.
Meanwhile, and this is were i really go out on a limb, i do believe there's a iPhone nano of sorts, not really geared as a big time music/video player, more focused on email and phone. Storage around 2-4GB, maybe smaller screen with a physical keyboard to cope with reduced size of the on screen keyboard, perhaps hidden behind a slider mechanism. $199-$249.
When this comes out is anyone's guess, but i'm sure it'll be staggered from regular iPhone updates, to maintain "The Buzz (tm)".
As to iPod touch, well i'm sure it'll see the 16GB replace the 8GB and a 24-32GB model appear at the top end come Sept 08.
I don't have any insider knowledge, just makes sense based on Apple's previous moves.
M.
memory bump in january,february or march
Remember that the iPhone launched in Europe this month is already a 5 month old product (if you ignore the US price cut - which means nothing in Europe anyway). I think Apple will see the 8Gb iPhone through Christmas with a memory bump to 16Gb early next year.
Primarily, Apple will want the iPhone to remain cutting edge, attractive and useful to potential customers rather than worrying about annoying recent purchasers!
Remember that the iPhone launched in Europe this month is already a 5 month old product (if you ignore the US price cut - which means nothing in Europe anyway). I think Apple will see the 8Gb iPhone through Christmas with a memory bump to 16Gb early next year.
Primarily, Apple will want the iPhone to remain cutting edge, attractive and useful to potential customers rather than worrying about annoying recent purchasers!
I agree, that Apple don't care about existing customers when it comes to the new version. But flash prices aren't moving quickly enough to double the memory by then. I believe that they see it as important that the top end iPod has more storage than the top-end iPhone, because their thinking pattern is, that the iPod is the king of media players and the iPhone is much more than just a media player.
So when iPhone goes 16GB the touch either simultaneously or very shortly after is going 24-32GB.
In the interim, there's no other 8GB phone competing with them, so little pressure to up capacity, more likely they'll differentiate with software enhancements.
M.
Perhaps, but I think that in the long term, the iPod touch and the iPhone will more or less converge - the iPhone needs to stay 'the best iPod we've ever shipped'!
I was just in the Regent Street Apple store to ask about using an iPhone when visiting Japan (specifically whether I can use the SIM in a 3G phone instead when I'm away - but that's another thread...), and while the person I was speaking to didn't know the answer, I was told to wait until February for some kind of update to the phone.
Obviously the only update that would make the thing work would be the addition of 3G, and otherwise the solution is network support, which shouldn't need an update to the phone at all.
Of course I was also told that removing the SIM would involve prising of the back and voiding my warranty, which I'm pretty sure is not true (though under the watchful eye of the Apple staff I wasn't going to attempt to dismantle the phone in the shop to prove my point).
IMO the staff member in question was probably just trying to get rid of me, so take that as you will!
Obviously the only update that would make the thing work would be the addition of 3G, and otherwise the solution is network support, which shouldn't need an update to the phone at all.
Of course I was also told that removing the SIM would involve prising of the back and voiding my warranty, which I'm pretty sure is not true (though under the watchful eye of the Apple staff I wasn't going to attempt to dismantle the phone in the shop to prove my point).
IMO the staff member in question was probably just trying to get rid of me, so take that as you will!
The FUD being spread by some staff is astonishing!
There is just a usual SIM tray and you only need a paper clip.
I did turn around the phone and point at that when they came out with that line, but they were clearly not comfortable talking about anything other than the "approved" use of the phone. I guess they get a lot of people asking about using other SIMs in the phone, and just treated me in the same way (which is stupid, because had I got a reasonable answer I'd have been willing to hand over the cash there and then, and activate the thing straight away... I'm not trying to avoid their contract!).
Still, don't see why they need to misinform people. All that will happen now is that I've been put off buying the phone, and even if I do my own research and find a way around the issue, I'll buy it somewhere else!
There is no way there will a new iPhone in January.
There was so much wailing and gnashing of teeth when Apple dropped the price $200 after 2 months, can you imagine what it would be like if they introduced a new phone 2 months after the release in Europe?!?!
There was so much wailing and gnashing of teeth when Apple dropped the price $200 after 2 months, can you imagine what it would be like if they introduced a new phone 2 months after the release in Europe?!?!
The only thing I think we might see is a 16gb iphone at $599. No other hardware changes though. I don't think you will see iphone # 2 until just before the first 2 years contracts are going to expire. Upgrade and bam they got you for 2 more years.
I really don't think that Apple would release a new iPhone in January. It would be the biggest burn for all of the people who bought them over the holiday season for themselves or gifts.
I know Apple is much smarter than that. I say earliest would be around this time next year.
I know Apple is much smarter than that. I say earliest would be around this time next year.
im gonna have to say....a 16gb upgrade at MWSF or around spring...and then "iPhone2" sometime of summer 2008 or fall 2008 this is real "iPhone2" IE-3g, 32 gb, slimmer, etc etc
just my 2 cents
just my 2 cents
Oh the ignorance of some Americans is funny, the new iPhone is not just for you.
It is highly likely that a new iPhone will be released next January, ready for the Aus/NZ/Asian launches, simply because 3G is basically all that they have (ie. no common EDGE/2.75G, just 2G). Apple will NOT release a phone that boasts internet features if those of us from down under have to use painfully slow data transfer speeds for $80 a month.
My predictions would be 3G and 16GB for the current 8GB price, as well as MMS and with a software update, bluetooth syncing. So you're right that it's not a major upgrade, but it is a necessary one.
It is highly likely that a new iPhone will be released next January, ready for the Aus/NZ/Asian launches, simply because 3G is basically all that they have (ie. no common EDGE/2.75G, just 2G). Apple will NOT release a phone that boasts internet features if those of us from down under have to use painfully slow data transfer speeds for $80 a month.
My predictions would be 3G and 16GB for the current 8GB price, as well as MMS and with a software update, bluetooth syncing. So you're right that it's not a major upgrade, but it is a necessary one.
The iPhone is a cell phone with additional features. To my knowledge, most cell phones come with minimal storage, and you can buy an SD card to add about 4 GB. So for there to be a whopping 8GB on a cell phone, c'mon. That's a lot, plus the content is compressed to optimize space.
Create a Playlist for your iPhone and be selective about what you sync to it. There's no way I would pass up my iPhone to wait for more GBs. It is not an iPod. I'd suggest the iPod Touch if storage is of utmost importance. I don't even use a regular iPod outside of my water proofed one because I like to get my calls and emails while listening to music. The benefits outweigh the gigabytes.
Touch has two mem slots, iPhone has one. That is why we see the capacities we do. However the 16GB iPhone will come. I'd guess April 08.
Firmware 2.0 in Feb/march 08. Interface improvements, notes and todo syncing, A2DP, possibly MMS and video recording (with poting straight to YouTube). That'll keep people going until November 08 iPhone2 launch.
I know, all conjecture...
I suppose it depends on defining what added features would be worthy of 2.0 designation.
I definitely think that a better model of the current iPhone is in the works with increased memory capacity, access to ATT's 3g network, and a few added features. I would consider that to be an iPhone 1.5.
Apple is market savvy so I would speculate that to get the maximum number of people upgrading to 2.0 they will target June 2009 for a release and in the meantime only add incremental upgrades to the current iPhone.
I definitely think that a better model of the current iPhone is in the works with increased memory capacity, access to ATT's 3g network, and a few added features. I would consider that to be an iPhone 1.5.
Apple is market savvy so I would speculate that to get the maximum number of people upgrading to 2.0 they will target June 2009 for a release and in the meantime only add incremental upgrades to the current iPhone.
I agree that Jan '08 seems a little too soon. I can only assume people who think otherwise are trying to justify why they haven't picked one up yet. On the other hand, maybe I'm trying to justify why I *have* picked one up
Look at the current iPhone. Its an undeniably awesome piece of kit with a mind blowing UI and a set of useful, well implemented features that make every other manufacturers output look decidedly last generation. Apple are already leading the pack and the market simply doesn't require "v2" so soon.
That said, there are a bunch of software related issues that need to be addressed - in my opinion, more so than the hardware. These are issues that are potentially costing sales of the *current* model and could be easily addressed by setting a few code monkeys to task. Support for MMS and video recording (however trivial to some contributors on this board) are often cited as justification for not buying. Inconsistencies in the UI (how many times have you turned the phone on its side when tapping out an SMS or e-mail?) make the software seem a little unfinished on close inspection.
Its these facts alone that lead me to believe Apple are busily working on a firmware update to address these issues (and others, I don't doubt). Add that to the impending SDK release and I think you've got all the evidence you need that "v1" is with us for a while yet.
Of course, perhaps I'm wrong. Come Jan '08 perhaps we'll see "v2" with 3G support, GPS and holographic projection video playback
Look at the current iPhone. Its an undeniably awesome piece of kit with a mind blowing UI and a set of useful, well implemented features that make every other manufacturers output look decidedly last generation. Apple are already leading the pack and the market simply doesn't require "v2" so soon.
That said, there are a bunch of software related issues that need to be addressed - in my opinion, more so than the hardware. These are issues that are potentially costing sales of the *current* model and could be easily addressed by setting a few code monkeys to task. Support for MMS and video recording (however trivial to some contributors on this board) are often cited as justification for not buying. Inconsistencies in the UI (how many times have you turned the phone on its side when tapping out an SMS or e-mail?) make the software seem a little unfinished on close inspection.
Its these facts alone that lead me to believe Apple are busily working on a firmware update to address these issues (and others, I don't doubt). Add that to the impending SDK release and I think you've got all the evidence you need that "v1" is with us for a while yet.
Of course, perhaps I'm wrong. Come Jan '08 perhaps we'll see "v2" with 3G support, GPS and holographic projection video playback
I agree that Jan '08 seems a little too soon. I can only assume people who think otherwise are trying to justify why they haven't picked one up yet. On the other hand, maybe I'm trying to justify why I *have* picked one up
Look at the current iPhone. Its an undeniably awesome piece of kit with a mind blowing UI and a set of useful, well implemented features that make every other manufacturers output look decidedly last generation. Apple are already leading the pack and the market simply doesn't require "v2" so soon.
That said, there are a bunch of software related issues that need to be addressed - in my opinion, more so than the hardware. These are issues that are potentially costing sales of the *current* model and could be easily addressed by setting a few code monkeys to task. Support for MMS and video recording (however trivial to some contributors on this board) are often cited as justification for not buying. Inconsistencies in UI (how many times have you turned the phone on its side when tapping out an SMS or e-mail?) make the software seem a little unfinished on close inspection.
Its these facts alone that lead me to believe Apple are busily working on a firmware update to address these issues (and others, I don't doubt). Add that to the impending SDK release and I think you've got all the evidence you need that "v1" is with us for a while yet.
That's a nice level headed view which tallies with my thoughts too
What's funny is that on Apple's own support page for the iPhone it gives clear directions to "remove the sim card before sending the iPhone to Apple for repair and place the sim in the "loaner phone" supplied to you by Apple"...
Then there are instructions for the user to simply remove the sim card with a paper clip...
Too funny what these Apple Store clerks tell people...LOL
No update in Jan, the current iphone has not yet been pushed to the extent of it's abilities. They will probably keep the same model, but add more memory and let people install applications on it without bricking. Wasn't there a report that most of the foreseeable upgrades could be done through software/firmware changes? After 2 years of secret designing and planning, I am sure apple has already planed the evolution of the iPhone for at least the first 3 generations.
Also with the iPhone it is not so much about the hardware as it is about software. The nature of a multi-use phone suggests an accumulation of personal info or data. On june 30 i called my phone from an iPhone, just to see if it worked. When i got home i saw the number in my phone and called it. People looking at the iPhone in the apple store answered, amazed, and we talked for a minute, then it hit me, they can see my number and anyone else who has been called from that phone. I rushed down to the store and deleted my number from the [phone.
This is a danger. there is now, not only phone numbers, but web info, maps, contacts and media on a phone that is connected to the internet. All it would take is for you to install the wrong app, and boom! someone has an all access pass to your i life.
Also with the iPhone it is not so much about the hardware as it is about software. The nature of a multi-use phone suggests an accumulation of personal info or data. On june 30 i called my phone from an iPhone, just to see if it worked. When i got home i saw the number in my phone and called it. People looking at the iPhone in the apple store answered, amazed, and we talked for a minute, then it hit me, they can see my number and anyone else who has been called from that phone. I rushed down to the store and deleted my number from the [phone.
This is a danger. there is now, not only phone numbers, but web info, maps, contacts and media on a phone that is connected to the internet. All it would take is for you to install the wrong app, and boom! someone has an all access pass to your i life.