iPhone 2 in January?

[Sin]

What's funny is that on Apple's own support page for the iPhone it gives clear directions to "remove the sim card before sending the iPhone to Apple for repair and place the sim in the "loaner phone" supplied to you by Apple"...

Then there are instructions for the user to simply remove the sim card with a paper clip...


Too funny what these Apple Store clerks tell people...LOL

It's even "funnier" what O2 tell people. I've now been told twice by different O2 customer services people that the iPhone will work on a 3G network.

It's probably only a matter of time until someone actually buys one on the strength of that advice, travels abroad to find it doesn't work, and sues them for the loss of business or whatever as a result.

Last time I checked it wasn't really a good idea to lie to people about products in an effort to make them buy something.

Honestly I'm being put off the whole thing now, not because of the iPhone itself but the appalling behaviour of both Apple and O2.

 

[iEdd]

I might agree. January 2009 though. That is what you meant right?

No, January 2008. I'm not talking about a major update here. This is just so that it CAN be released, as estimated, Q1 2008 in Australia and New Zealand. The only way to get decent internet here is 3G or Next G (3G type replacement of CDMA). Trust me, we are not waiting another year and a half for the iPhone, just a few months.

 

[emotion]

It's probably only a matter of time until someone actually buys one on the strength of that advice, travels abroad to find it doesn't work, and sues them for the loss of business or whatever as a result.

Sued? Are you for real?

Honestly I'm being put off the whole thing now, not because of the iPhone itself but the appalling behaviour of both Apple and O2.

Appauling behaviour of Apple?

O2 are another matter...they're a phone network - it's expected of them.

Despite the lower than expected EDGE cover I'm very pleased with my iPhone.

 

[emotion]

No, January 2008. I'm not talking about a major update here. This is just so that it CAN be released, as estimated, Q1 2008 in Australia and New Zealand. The only way to get decent internet here is 3G or Next G (3G type replacement of CDMA). Trust me, we are not waiting another year and a half for the iPhone, just a few months.

I'd put money on you waiting at least a year for your 3G iPhone.

We'd have seen FCC filings for a 3G model by now, for a start.

 

[Sin]

Sued? Are you for real?

Last time I checked, it was pretty dodgy behaviour for a company to sell a product by claiming it does something it doesn't. Certainly the potential for legal action if someone fall victim to that.

Appauling behaviour of Apple?

Possibly not quite "appalling" but I'm less than happy with the attitude I got from the Apple staff, sure. I was interested in buying one of their products and asked an honest question. I didn't expect someone to question whether or not I really needed to know, and then give me bad information. That's pretty shoddy behaviour at least.

O2 are another matter...they're a phone network - it's expected of them.

I'm not sure why I should expect anything less than the truth from any large company, regardless of what line of business they're in.

Despite the lower than expected EDGE cover I'm very pleased with my iPhone.

I'm glad you're pleased with your phone... They seem like very nice phones, and I'd love to be able to own one myself.

 

[emotion]

Last time I checked, it was pretty dodgy behaviour for a company to sell a product by claiming it does something it doesn't. Certainly the potential for legal action if someone fall victim to that.

I agree dis-information from useless sales staff is bad but legal action will only come form them doing this in publicity material (web, adverts etc).

Possibly not quite "appalling" but I'm less than happy with the attitude I got from the Apple staff, sure. I was interested in buying one of their products and asked an honest question. I didn't expect someone to question whether or not I really needed to know, and then give me bad information. That's pretty shoddy behaviour at least.

Again, don't listen to sales staff. They're paid low wages, they don't care. However, Apple should have better training I agree.

 

[GAS]

We'd have seen FCC filings for a 3G model by now, for a start.

Just like we saw FCC filings for the first iPhone

 

[emotion]

Just like we saw FCC filings for the first iPhone

No need to roll eyes. There were FCC filings for the iPhone1.

As it happens you can get pre-approved chipsets for mobile phones so they could go that route. However, Oz and NZ is such a tiny market I suspect Apple will just consolidate on the 'easy' markets for now. As for Asia, that requires a big push. Yet another reason to consolidate and get the firmware/OS up to scratch first (ie. firmware version 2.0 coming in March along with the possible 16GB upgrade).

I'm prepared to be surprised, but you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think 3G is coming in January IMO.

Not long to see who's view is realistic though is it?

 

[GAS]

No need to roll eyes. There were FCC filings for the iPhone1.

I'm just making the point that saying there haven't been any fcc filings yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist as we didn't see any filings for the first iPhone before release.


More on topic to this thread, it would be incredibly stupid of Apple to release a new iPhone in Jan. I doubt it will happen.

 

[iEdd]

More on topic to this thread, it would be incredibly stupid of Apple to release a new iPhone in Jan. I doubt it will happen.

Why, because Americans already have the iPhone?

What would be stupid would be to delay the iPhone for Australia and New Zealand for ANOTHER year, losing potential sales, as well as causing a number of ready customers to give up waiting and just go into another contract with a Nokia/Motorola/Telstra phone.

At the VERY least, the iPhone will be upgraded to 16GB and released using some sort of EDGE with Telstra, Q1/Q2 2008, but as Apple do NOT want to go with telstra, they really need to go to 3G and another network (most likely 3).

 

[synth3tik]

Honestly. Look at the life cycle of every other Apple product. What is giving people this idea that an iPhone will be coming out in Jan. I mean by tradition you are looking at around a year

 

[alFR]

What would be stupid would be to delay the iPhone for Australia and New Zealand for ANOTHER year, losing potential sales, as well as causing a number of ready customers to give up waiting and just go into another contract with a Nokia/Motorola/Telstra phone.

Unless of course Apple don't really care about Australia and New Zealand as telecomms markets. I mean, Australia and NZ have a total population of about 25 million, while New York State alone in the US has a population of 19 million , Germany has a population of 82 million, France a population of 61 million, Spain 40 million etc. etc. The size of their other markets makes the antipodes look like small potatoes, really.

 

[emotion]

At the VERY least, the iPhone will be upgraded to 16GB and released using some sort of EDGE with Telstra, Q1/Q2 2008,

Now you're agreeing with me.

As for product lifecycles: people believe a 3G phone is coming soon out of blind optimism. Personally I think there's a lot of mileage in the current hardware.

Maybe the rumours of an iPhone2 just reflect firmware 2.0 that will come when the SDK is released (announced January, released sometime later)? We'll see true 3rd party app support when apps don't run as root (maybe some kind of sand box?).

It's also possible we'll see offline ajax app support (a little like google gears), a2dp stereo headphone support, notes and todo syncing, video recording (with straight to youtube support), mms.

Only time will tell. Until then my iPhone1 will do me.

 

[CD3660]

.....people believe a 3G phone is coming soon out of blind optimism. Personally I think there's a lot of mileage in the current hardware.

I believe you are correct on both counts.

I have to admit that when it became clear that the U.K. model was not to have 3G I had doubts as to whether I should get one. After 9 days of ownership of the iPhone I realise that my doubts were entirely unfounded.

Having said that I would not be surprised if a 3G version appeared in the Spring (March/April).

 

[emotion]

I have to admit that when it became clear that the U.K. model was not to have 3G I had doubts as to whether I should get one. After 9 days of ownership of the iPhone I realise that my doubts were entirely unfounded.

If you look back to the announcement of the iPhone I was fairly vocal that a non-3G iPhone would be of no use to Europe. In the UK the less than perfect 3G coverage (for O2 in particular) convinced me otherwise. For now.

Having said that I would not be surprised if a 3G version appeared in the Spring (March/April).

I guess that's possible but I'd guess announced Sept and then available November 08. As I keep saying, we'll all see in due course.

 

[CD3660]

I guess that's possible but I'd guess announced Sept and then available November 08. As I keep saying, we'll all see in due course.

Whenever it is I'll be in the queue for it even though I have no complaints about the current model, apart from the quality of the loudspeaker when playing music.

 

[emotion]

Whenever it is I'll be in the queue for it even though I have no complaints about the current model

Me too. Though O2 may have to get their skates on with HSDPA deployment as the coverage could be a lot better.

 

[jonnyb]

Whenever it is I'll be in the queue for it even though I have no complaints about the current model, apart from the quality of the loudspeaker when playing music.

If the low quality of the loudspeaker prevents people from foisting their appalling musical taste on me in public then I'm all for keeping it low quality

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I'm waiting for a new iPhone that'll offer the ability to be used as a modem. Otherwise, I'd have one already.

 

[emotion]

I'm waiting for a new iPhone that'll offer the ability to be used as a modem. Otherwise, I'd have one already.

Trust me, when you've used the current one you won't be hankering after that. It's also unlikely to ever happen, its just not Apple's (or ATT/O2's) style.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I'm not sure what you mean. Also, what's O2? I use AT&T...

Trust me, when you've used the current one you won't be hankering after that. It's also unlikely to ever happen, its just not Apple's (or ATT/O2's) style.

 

[Stella]

I'm not sure what you mean. Also, what's O2? I use AT&T...

O2 is a cell phone carrier in the UK. AT&T hasn't got a presence in the UK ( from what I remember ).

 

[iSamurai]

Think of how pissed off all the people who bought the iPhone 1st Gen in Europe. There would be riots outside Apple stores! They would burn Jobs at the stake.

No way, it will be 100 Euro Apple Gift voucher!!!

 

[Sal Collaziano]

O2 is a cell phone carrier in the UK. AT&T hasn't got a presence in the UK ( from what I remember ).

Thank you. That answers my question.