iPhone 3G - already with pictures ! (aka "iPhone Girl")

[atlatnesiti]

I just can't believe that this trivial/rubbish thread is still thriving and alive

 

[FangDango]

They all look the same ...

Sorry for my curiousity, but he looks like a Chinese American?

I've always been curious to know how one differentiates a Chinese person from a Korean person or any other Asian person for that matter ?

 

[mnsch]

iPhone Girl iPhoneGirl之美假不了_iPhone

[The forum's great and fair; many netizens in China are like. Most of the global mobile phone(iPhone) production in China.]

以微笑感动中西方的ｉ－ＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ还没火几天，媒体网间却已经有了不少质疑之声。传统的阴谋论将怀疑焦点指往两个方向：其一，ｉＰｈｏｎｅ手机的销售商以及生产者，苹果公司和富士康公司，怀疑他们可能是在借ｉ－ＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ炒作其产品；其二，ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ照片最初的发布地是美国的某网站，怀疑它是在借ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ炒作其网站。
　　
　　质疑者提出很多疑点，比如，照片的背景是否真的是ｉＰｈｏｎｅ手机的生产车间？富士康公司怎么可能忘记把照片删掉？照片的发布者到底是个英国人还是美国人？英国手机为何显示的是美国电信运营商等等，甚至还有国外网友通过三维软件分析ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ的面部骨骼以确认其真假。


　　尽管这些质疑有的确实很认真，有的纯属以假证假——比如那个显示美国电信运营商的照片本来就是后拍的，但都体现了公众对ｉ－ＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ事件的关心，体现了媒体的质疑精神。人们不希望再一次被“假象”所感动，不希望最后被证明自己是浪费了感情。


　　事实上，到目前为止，还没有任何有力的证据能证明ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ事件是个骗局，接下来，人肉搜索们应该把重点投向那些最关键之处：比如，去富士康公司查证其生产线上到底有没有这名女工；查证这照片到底是不是被误存于手机上，只需证明女工不存在，误会也不存在，关于ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ故事的开头即可改写。
　　
　　在我看来，无论真假如何，ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ的故事都不会从此烟消云散，这些争论也难以否定其背后流露出的那些善与美。真的自不用提，即便ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ是假的，被ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ故事打动的那些世界各地的人以及他们的留言却假不了，这就好比是一则寓言，寓言从来无所谓真假，只要道理是真就好；又好比是中国深圳的打工妹们拍的一部电影，电影可以证伪，但被电影所感动的人的感情却无法证伪。


　　
　　无论是“美丽的误会”，还是有心的炒作，就好像小说一旦完成，既已脱离作者的掌控，这些都已经不能影响ｉＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ的最终形象，透过这故事的走红以及ｉ－ＰｈｏｎｅＧｉｒｌ的笑脸，我们依旧可以看到全球化的那些美丽之处：商业交往使人们离得前所未有之近，人们需要和谐相处，人们能够和谐，人们正在和谐相处，四海之内，皆兄弟也！　

 

[JoeyRamone]

I've always been curious to know how one differentiates a Chinese person from a Korean person or any other Asian person for that matter ?

I grew up in New York City and am pretty good at telling different Asian origins. Plus their names are different from different countries.

Maybe you watch too much CNN

I wish I had CNN! Or even FOX NEWS. All I get is this crappy CCTV9 - China's only English station and quite sucky I might add.

These pictures are on my phone and from China. Notice all the goofy hand gestures the girls made. All these pictures are taken in the last 1-6 months.

 

[mnsch]

V-shaped, in the hearts of Chinese children is the meaning of "victory" rather than "success".

 

[sushi]

Sorry for my curiousity, but he looks like a Chinese American?

AFAIK, he is Korean-American

I've always been curious to know how one differentiates a Chinese person from a Korean person or any other Asian person for that matter ?

It's pretty easy to tell for the most part.

Then again, I've lived in Asia for over 20 years.

 

[Gasu E.]

It's pretty easy to tell for the most part.
Then again, I've lived in Asian on an off for over 20 years.

It's pretty straightforward to tell if you are looking at stereotypical people. There's a noticeable difference in the shape of the head, but not the coloring (Europeans tend to differentiate themselves heavily by hair and skin coloring, which is why Asians seem to look alike). Relatively speaking, Japanese people tend to have narrower heads and smaller mouths (hence the stereotypical "buck teeth"); Chinese have round heads; Koreans have wide foreheads. HOWEVER, in reality, these nationalities are far more racially mixed then any of them care to let on, so these are only rough guidelines. Of course, if you know their names, it's easy to tell; outside of a small overlap between Chinese and Korean names, they are very distinct.

 

[sushi]

It's pretty straightforward to tell if you are looking at stereotypical people. There's a noticeable difference in the shape of the head, but not the coloring (Europeans tend to differentiate themselves heavily by hair and skin coloring, which is why Asians seem to look alike). Relatively speaking, Japanese people tend to have narrower heads and smaller mouths (hence the stereotypical "buck teeth"); Chinese have round heads; Koreans have wide foreheads. HOWEVER, in reality, these nationalities are far more racially mixed then any of them care to let on, so these are only rough guidelines. Of course, if you know their names, it's easy to tell; outside of a small overlap between Chinese and Korean names, they are very distinct.

Whatever you say...

 

[FangDango]

Teaching in China

Dude, both these girls were my students in China...

One is 20 and the other 16. Fortunate for them they come from well to do families and will never see the inside of a sweatshop - unless it's owned by their parents...

How hard is it to get a teaching job in China ? Do they expect high qualifications ?
I was thinking about going over there to teach English or something (I don't have any formal English qualifications but working in IT) and check out the place at the same time. So have you been all round China ? Where would you say would be the best city to hang out. I've heard Dalian is good.

 

[JoeyRamone]

How hard is it to get a teaching job in China ? Do they expect high qualifications ?
I was thinking about going over there to teach English or something (I don't have any formal English qualifications but working in IT) and check out the place at the same time. So have you been all round China ? Where would you say would be the best city to hang out. I've heard Dalian is good.

Getting a working visa / residence permit is not always easy in China. One way to do this is to agree to teach at a licensed school.

I teach business courses at a university for about 6 hours a week in order to satisfy the requirements to get the visa. In the other hours I contract with several companies to do standards checks on export producing Chinese factories.

I've been to numerous cities. My favorite is Hong Kong. Clean modern city. Very civilized.

Mainland is another story. Many cities in China are highly polluted and the inhabitants act like they have the intelligence level of somewhere between cavemen and dogs...

Decent cities to work and live are Shenzhen, Shanghai, Chengdu, Suzhou, Wuxi, Xiamen. I have been to all of them many times.

Shenzhen is a decent choice as the weather is good, decent transportation system, and fairly modern. And the close proximity to Hong Kong.

Shanghai is also very modern but the air is unbelievably polluted.

If you want to teach English it's pretty easy to get a job but the pay scale is laughable. Only come here if you want a working vacation or a hot young Chinese wife to take back to a civilized country.

Check out www.eslcafe.com for info on teaching and working in China.

A Pic of my girlfriend... She's 20...

 

[kggf]

translate

Can someone kindly translate "mnsch" post. It will be intesting to know what he said.

also "JoeyRamone", I bet your girlfriend will kill you you posting the pic hehe

 

[FangDango]

Can someone kindly translate "mnsch" post. It will be intesting to know what he said.

also "JoeyRamone", I bet your girlfriend will kill you you posting the pic hehe

This is what babelfish.yahoo.com translated:

Smiled in the move West's i-PhoneGirl not to have fire several days, between the media net actually already had sounds of the many question. The traditional conspiracy theory will suspect that the focal point refers to toward two directions: First, the iPhone handset's seller as well as the producer, the Apple Company and the Fuji Kang company, suspected that they possibly are borrowing i-PhoneGirl to hype its product; Second, the iPhoneGirl picture initial issue is US's some website, suspected that it is borrowing iPhoneGirl to hype its website. 　　　　The question proposes many questionable points, for instance, picture background what whether is really the iPhone handset's Production workshop? Did the Fuji Kang company how possibly forget that erases the picture? The picture promulgator is an English or the American? Why what the British handset did demonstrate is American telecommunication operator and so on, even also has the overseas net friends to analyze iPhoneGirl through the three dimensional software the face skeleton to confirm its genuine and fake. 　　Although these question some are truly very earnest, some are purely after false card false - - for instance that demonstrated the American telecommunication operator's picture is originally shoots, but has manifested the public to the i-PhoneGirl event's care, has manifested the media question spirit. The people did not hope that again the quilt “the false appearance” is moved, did not hope that finally was proven oneself has wasted the sentiment. 　　In fact, so far, did not have any strong evidence to be able to prove that the iPhoneGirl event is a fraud, then, the long pig search should go to the key point these most essential place: For instance, goes to the Fuji Kang company to verify on its production line to have this female worker; Verifies this picture by mistake to save on the handset, only need prove that the female worker does not exist, the misunderstanding does not exist, then rewrites about the iPhoneGirl story's opening. 　　　　In my opinion, regardless of the genuine and fake, the iPhoneGirl story will henceforth not vanish how into thin air, these arguments with difficulty will also deny its behind reveal these are friendly and are beautiful. Really from does not need to raise, even if iPhoneGirl is false, is moved these the world's person as well as their message by the iPhoneGirl story actually cannot assume, this is just like is a piece of fable, the fable always does not matter the genuine and fake, so long as the truth is really good; Is also just like is a movie which the Chinese Shenzhen's hiring out for working younger sisters shoot, the movie may attest to falsity, but is moved by the movie person's sentiment is actually unable to attest to falsity. 　　　　Regardless of being “the beautiful misunderstanding”, has a mind hyping, resembles the novel, once completes, already was separated from author's control, these already could not affect iPhoneGirl to be vivid finally, by this story's being lucky as well as the i-PhoneGirl smiling face, we may see the globalization as before these beautiful places: The commercial contact causes the people to leave unprecedented near, the people need to be together harmoniously, the people can be harmonious, the people are being together harmoniously, within the four seas, all brothers!　

 

[FangDango]

If you want to teach English it's pretty easy to get a job but the pay scale is laughable. Only come here if you want a working vacation or a hot young Chinese wife to take back to a civilized country.

Check out www.eslcafe.com for info on teaching and working in China.

A Pic of my girlfriend... She's 20...

Thanks for the detailed info, especially the associated incentives.
Nice photo and she probably wouldn't mind, she would be proud to be associated indirectly with iPhone Girl !

 

[Kila]

Turns out, she's a dude.

 

[asouns]

I grew up in New York City and am pretty good at telling different Asian origins. Plus their names are different from different countries.



I wish I had CNN! Or even FOX NEWS. All I get is this crappy CCTV9 - China's only English station and quite sucky I might add.

These pictures are on my phone and from China. Notice all the goofy hand gestures the girls made. All these pictures are taken in the last 1-6 months.

luck you that at least having one english channel and staying away from CNN. I just came to new york city from China several months ago and i haven't heard a word of chinese on TV so far.

I agree with you about the goofy hand gestures, only ignorant teenagers do that tho!

 

[thirty]

I've always been curious to know how one differentiates a Chinese person from a Korean person or any other Asian person for that matter ?

It's not easy to distinguish koreans and Janpenses from Chinese, they look alike, I believe we can only differentiate by our feelings.

 

[AppleInvestor]

I've always been curious to know how one differentiates a Chinese person from a Korean person or any other Asian person for that matter ?

Actually it can be quite hard to tell northern Chinese from Koreans. In the west we tend to see more of the southern variety, and the differences are more obvious.

Interesting fact: there are 3-4 million ethnic Koreans living in China, including close to 1 million expats from South Korean. (source: Wikipedia)

 

[thirty]

AFAIK, he is Korean-American

Thank you, Sushi.

Actually it can be quite hard to tell northern Chinese from Koreans. In the west we tend to see more of the southern variety, and the differences are more obvious.

Interesting fact: there are 3-4 million ethnic Koreans living in China, including close to 1 million expats from South Korean. (source: Wikipedia)

There are lots of Koreans in my community: they work for korean companies in China.

It seems they enjoy drinking a little bit.

 

[FangDango]

Ya Ta !

He started it all

Wasn't it her ?

 

[xUKHCx]

Lets keep the politics talk for the Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum thanks.

 

[markerz]

Hey,I am from China.
There is much news about iPhone girl.
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The latest said"one people said he is the cousin of iPhone girl,and she send messages about iPhone girl:She(iPhone girl) just want to be an ordinary people.She want people to stop Internet mass hunting"
And markm49uk is the admin of this forum.
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I don't know it's real or not.

Wait for more informations.

Sorry for my really poor English~

here a Chinese version.

iPhone girl幕后推手出现：论坛站长自我炒作

　　2008年8月20日，3张照片风靡全球论坛，一个“普通的”打工妹，用微笑征服了网友，在Google排名中，iPhone girl已高居第7位，成为上升最快的热词。

　　上百家国内媒体报道了这一事件，虽然大家都知道，iPhone乃至苹果、富士康可能因此获得商业利益。

　　意外的是，正当事件渐至高潮时，一名杨姓女子自称是iPhone girl的表姐，并向媒体转发了iPhone girl的短信，称“只想做平凡人”，婉拒采访，并希望网友停止人肉搜索。

　　虽然公司表示不再追究这件事，iPhone girl却仍不愿与外界发生任何接触，这个“美丽的误会”，结局未免有些突兀，但至少在表面上，一切又回复平静。然而，竞报记者通过深入调查，发现iPhone girl事件的内幕，远比人们看到的要复杂得多。

　　推手Arnold Kim

　　Arnold Kim本科毕业于美国西北大学工程科学与应用数学专业，并获得了华盛顿大学应用数学专业硕士、博士学位，对于计算机工程和网络技术有很深的造诣。 Arnold　Kim于2000年创办了MacRumors.com并担任高级编辑。他一直居住在弗吉尼亚州里士满郊外，在全职经营 MacRumors.com之前，是加州大学默塞德分校(UC　Merced)的副教授。以上信息是通过Arnold Kim的个人网站上了解到的。

　　发帖人是苹果论坛站长

　　关于iPhonegirl最早的消息，发布在www.MacRumors.com(苹果产品爱好者论坛)上，发帖人的网名为markm49uk，自称是英国人，刚买了一款新的iPhone手机，发现其中有3张亚洲女孩的照片，他认为这是件有趣的事。

　　markm49uk不是英国人

　　这是一个渴望奇遇的时代，markm49uk的帖子迅速被热炒。然而，很快就有网友提出质 疑，markm49uk自称从没有去过美国，但图片上显示的运营商明明是AT&T，而i-Phone在英国的独家合作伙伴是O2，一个英国人，怎 么买了美国的iPhone呢？

　　8月27日，记者登录www.MacRumors.com，发现markm49uk从3月13日 在该网站注册起，总共只发了19帖，此外，记者通过IP查询发现这个markm49uk来自美国，而不是英国。markm49uk似乎希望人们认为他是英 国人，他注册名的结尾就是“uk”。

　　markm49uk是MacRumors站长

　　8月28日，记者在论坛注册了ID，并给markm49uk发了站内短信，信中称“我知道 iPhone girl一些最新的消息，请与我联系”，记者留了MSN和电子邮件。8月29日，markm49uk回了一封几乎没有任何内容的电邮，但他可能忽略了，邮 件的签名是自动设置的，如果不刻意修改，将会透露他的真实信息。markm49uk在邮件中显示的签名，是ArnoldKim。这个ArnoldKim， 是www.MacRumors.com网站的拥有者和站长。注册“马甲”来渲染论坛气氛，这是站长们经常会用到的手段。

　　www.MacRumors.com网站是专门传播有关苹果的八卦、传言以及事实的网站，其网站站长独家遭遇了iPhone girl，这很难让人相信是一个巧合。

　　iPhone girl为MacRumors赚钱？

　　www.MacRumors.com在美国颇有名气，一家著名科技博客网站...评出的美国最有价值的25大博客中，MacRumors排名第二。这是最受欢迎的科技网站之一。

　　今年7月21日，《纽约时报》专访了ArnoldKim，他说他身边的人常问：“这种东西怎么赚钱？”他回答：“赚钱的秘诀就是提高访问量。在互联网上，访问量等同于实力，而实力等同于金钱。”

　　MacRumors是第三方网站？

　　自称是国内最早从事“第三方网站”生意的李博称，“第三方网站”是目前国内刚刚开始的新的营销手段，2006年，生意模式才相对成熟。从某种意义上看，www.MacRumors.com网站从事的就是类似业务。

　　Kim的网站最初可能和Apple公司没有任何关系，它从第三方的角度，建立一个苹果迷的社区， 吸引苹果迷来这里交流和沟通。一般来说，大公司都希望给自己的用户建设网上社区，但他们不想看到过多的负面言论，大公司如果采取控制言论的操作，可能会影 响自身的信誉，而不控制，结果可能更糟。因此，第三方网站是个好的解决方案。MacRumors已经建站8年，甚至许多苹果的中层都来请教Kim，询问一 些关于苹果战略和产品的问题，但苹果公司没有给MacRumors任何广告投放。





　　面对质疑Arnold Kim选择沉默

　　在markm49uk发出iPhonegirl消息的原帖下，有很多国外网友跟帖质疑事实的真假，但markm49uk一直没有回帖。

　　-网络推手

　　“人肉搜索”搜不出iPhone girl

　　对于中国网友来说，iPhone girl这样的炒作手段并不新鲜。

　　杨秀宇，网名“立二拆四”，曾被凤凰卫视评为2005年互联网第三大“推手”，“推手”的职业就是在互联网上制造事件新闻，通过吸引网友的关注来帮助企业推广。“别针换别墅”就是杨秀宇的“杰作”之一。

　　在接受记者采访时，他表示从“天仙妹妹”，到“芙蓉姐姐”，无一不是策划和推广的产物，之所以要贴上意外的标签，是因为今天的网民需要奇迹，通过奇迹来安慰他们对平庸的日常生活的厌倦。

　　“在互联网上，越是偶然的，人们才越相信是真实的。”杨秀宇说iPhone girl有一个最大的漏洞，就是在今天人肉搜索被广泛使用的背景下，任何人都能被找到。如果iPhone girl源于一个公司的策划，那么，她应该不是一名普通的车间质检工人，而是个演艺圈的边缘人，至少经过反复挑选。她需要有完美的微笑，相貌漂亮，而且穿 工人制服不会影响镜头效果。这样，她很容易被“人肉搜索”查明真实的身份。

　　然而，iPhone girl以“只想做平凡人”的名义，加上相关企业息事宁人的声音，让“人肉搜索”的引擎失去了“有趣”这个基本动力。

　　杨秀宇很熟悉人肉搜索的威力，他说：“今天，别针换别墅式这样的故事，肯定行不通。”他在一个居民楼中租了个单元，专业从事网络推手生意，他用隐晦的方式表示，好的时候年收入接近百万元。 竞报记者 山祎 陈辉

　　-记者手记

　　不必要的浮躁

　　iPhone girl，是一个美丽的误会，还是一次成功的商业策划？在事实还没有完全搞清楚之前，产生不同的理解情有可原。然而，百余家媒体的轮番炒作，动辄就发出“ 这是一个如此可爱的笑容”之类的感慨，甚至从iPhone身上，竟读出了世界大同的含义。这，似乎有点过于滥情了。

　　生活需要对美的发现，轻信，也许是代价之一。但也不要太敏感，不要过于在意别人的评价。听到两句不中听的，马上就给对方戴上“偏见”、“歧视”、“敌意”的帽子，而听到两句赞扬，马上就神采飞扬，以为世界真的已经大同了。

　　假如，我们能把50%用来激动和自我陶醉的工夫，用到追求事实的真相上，那么，我们会少付出很多代价，而也只有如此，我们才能真正算做进入了理性文明。

 

[mmoosa]

This thread needs to go to the wasteland....absolutely irrelevant to macrumors now and the complete debate about how Chinese, Korean and Japanese people differ in their looks is completely off topic and can be considered racist not educational because it does not really matter.

 

[annk]

That was interesting, Markerz, 非常有意思 。 What is the source for the Chinese info you quoted, is it a forum, a Chinese blog, an online newspaper, something else??

 

[xUKHCx]

That was interesting, Markerz, 非常有意思 。 What is the source for the Chinese info you quoted, is it a forum, a Chinese blog, an online newspaper, something else??

It seems to be a rehash of the information previously posted in this thread which arn replied to considering it contained many mistakes.

 

[annk]

It seems to be a rehash of the information previously posted in this thread which arn replied to considering it contained many mistakes.

I haven't read through the whole thread, but you mean it's just a summary of stuff in this very thread?? And here I was hoping it was a Chinese website that was giving Macrumors some free publicity.