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There will not be a CDMA version for the simple reason of cost. Apples development and support costs would be increased dramtically for almost no gain. Consumers are not that interested as long as they have coverage and GSM is generally more available world-wide. Customers don't seem to mind switching carriers based on these numbers so having one network provider to deal with per country is also a plus for Apple.

If Apple originally offered the iPhone to Verizon, I'm sure a CDMA iPhone has already been developed. As for support costs, that's like saying Apple doesn't want to sell anymore iPhones because the cost of supporting them will become too high. If you are talking about network support costs, then that's the responsibility of each individual carrier.

Some customers may not mind switching, but many simply cannot due to business/family reasons, coverage reasons, financial reasons, and as you point out below, the Verizon and Sprint network is just as good (if not better than) as the AT&T network.

In terms of the data side of things I would say AT&T have a big issue. I have a Verizion PC data card and it is way faster than AT&T in San Francisco. I would also say the connection speed on my old Sprint Treo seemed faster as well. AT&T need to invest big time in their data network or I could see them loosing out in the long term.
 
Then don't use what? An iPhone on AT&T? As I pointed out earlier, I went to AT&T for the iPhone. Tell me, how can I use my iPhone 3G without AT&T? You really have to use your brain before posting some half-wit comment.

Not sure who the halfwit is here? the person who makes the snide comment or the person who complains about the cost of the contract they should have read before signing it.
 
The churn rate -- the percentage of customers who drop AT&T's service -- among iPhone owners is significantly lower than the rest of the network, sharply reducing marketing costs.

Of course. If one leaves AT&T, you are left with a useless phone. One cannot legally leave AT&T for another mobile phone carrier.

Clearly you are not a lawyer, or at least a good one. iPhone owners are free to jail break/unlock there phone six ways from Sunday. There is nothing illegal about that. Nothing. But if do THEN Apple is not LEGALLY obligated to repair it.
 
Apple and oranges. Apple makes the bulk of their profits off selling hardware. OS X selling on non-Apple hardware would seriously dent Apple's profits because people would no longer be buying Apple's overpriced Macs. Selling Apple hardware (a CDMA iPhone) to a new, previously inaccessible group of customers would greatly increase Apple's profits.

Depends on how much apple sold the OS for in the first instance. It is better to have a consumer buy a product than not at all in my opinion. Would be interesting math as to how many copies of the OS apple would need to sell to cover the R&D, customer service, repairs etc of a sold laptop. Or are we just talking of not breaking a tradition of selling Apple OS+Hardware.
 
Looking to the 3.0 product...

Is there any chance at all that we'll see a more T-Mobile style policy that unlocks the iPhone to customers in good standing after 90 days? I had a scare and misplaced my iPhone (1.0) last week and was really pained about what I buy next.

I have vowed to never buy another SIM-locked smartphone after all the international data fees I've paid to AT&T for pretty minimal use. Over the course of 12 days of extremely limited use in Europe I managed to rack up over $600 in fees. (This despite using my netbook with 3G modem and local SIM for 95% of my internet access.)

If not... it's back to a cheap phone for me. International roaming is a very big deal for some of us in Apple's target demographic.
 
Not sure who the halfwit is here? the person who makes the snide comment or the person who complains about the cost of the contract they should have read before signing it.

I was just pointing out, as you probably should have read for yourself, that I purchased the iPhone despite the high cost of the contract. And you really think I didn't read the contract I was signing? Why must everything be so back and white. There are good things and there are bad things to everything - deal with it. Excuse the cliche, but why throw the baby out with the bath water?
 
Depends on how much apple sold the OS for in the first instance. It is better to have a consumer buy a product than not at all in my opinion. Would be interesting math as to how many copies of the OS apple would need to sell to cover the R&D, customer service, repairs etc of a sold laptop. Or are we just talking of not breaking a tradition of selling Apple OS+Hardware.

Good point, but they would probably have to sell a whole lot of copies of OS X or seriously jack-up its price per license. As for people who are turned off by the high price of a Mac - they probably cave eventually and just buy a Mini or a low-end MacBook (both still much more expensive than a copy of Leopard).
 
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AT&T's profit will most likely shoot up a bit in the second quarter of this year after they have caught up on the subsidies. It makes sense that after 1 year with the iPhone 3G being out (also 1 year of subsidized prices) they will have finished paying for the difference in cost and start making a profit.
 
NO iphone credit check!

Well, I given up any thought of an iphone.. AT&T can blow me! So can the banks. I have no credit cards! No mortgage! No debt...And I do not do credit checks. Yes, I do not give my social security number out for any reason whatsoever. "EVER" Not even for medical attention. I figure I will just die if I have to in my stubronness. I spend as little as humanely possable and still live! Am a major contributor to the decline of the American econemy...(and loven it!) Screw AT&T and the banks.....I am the inception of consumer revolt.......
 
I don't understand why people bitch about AT&T so much. We just switched from Verizon in December, and we are having a much better experience with AT&T then we did with Verizon. AT&T is 1000x better then Verizon ever will be.

Don

The moral of the story is as far as on here goes, some like Verizon better, some like AT&T better. I haven't had any real problems with AT&T service. I just wish they did things like include 200 texts with the plans for the 3G and would allow a lower data tier that isn't "unliimited" (even though none of their data plans are "unlimited." I would love to pay $10 or $15/month for much less bandwidth when I get a 3G because I guarantee you I WON'T USE IT. But I know what I did get into with the EDGE phone, and I know what I'm getting into with the 3G in the future. Doesn't hurt to want something from a company. Think "WE WANT A PHONE THAT IS ALSO AN IPOD!"
 
Then don't use what? An iPhone on AT&T? As I pointed out earlier, I went to AT&T for the iPhone. Tell me, how can I use my iPhone 3G without AT&T? You really have to use your brain before posting some half-wit comment.

if you don't like ATT, don't use ATT. How hard is that? You're slamming this company like they are Satan but you send them money every month? Now That's a half-wit remark. Damn, people really are stupid.
 
Good!

I'm glad it's working for ATT. I love my i-phone and have been pleased w/ ATT. I think people just need something to whine about.
 
If Apple originally offered the iPhone to Verizon, I'm sure a CDMA iPhone has already been developed. As for support costs, that's like saying Apple doesn't want to sell anymore iPhones because the cost of supporting them will become too high. If you are talking about network support costs, then that's the responsibility of each individual carrier.
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That is not what I am saying. Having the on going costs of maintaining two sets of software/phones, QA test two sets of software/phones, train staff to deal with two carriers would be expensive for Apple. You have to set that against how many new customers would you get by offering a CDMA device. I just don't think the numbers add up. Especially since most large countries have a least one large GSM carrier.

Maybe they do have an old 0.1 test CDMA phone from when they were looking for a carrier. However they probably killed the development effort when they went with a GSM carrier.
 
I switched from Sprint to AT&T as well but I am a million times happier with AT&T.

I switched to AT&T from Sprint as well. For me being a Mac geek it was the iPhone that made me switch. I would have probably stayed with Sprint otherwise and looked at upgrading my old Treo 650.
 
Better news would be that ATT is not doing so well with the iPhone, then maybe we would see a new carrier pick it up sooner.

??? If AT&T wasn't doing well with the iPhone (which is not the case, since the iPhone is responsible for about 90% of their growth in subscribers), then why would a different carrier want it?
 
Well, I given up any thought of an iphone.. AT&T can blow me! So can the banks. I have no credit cards! No mortgage! No debt...And I do not do credit checks. Yes, I do not give my social security number out for any reason whatsoever. "EVER" Not even for medical attention. I figure I will just die if I have to in my stubronness. I spend as little as humanely possable and still live! Am a major contributor to the decline of the American econemy...(and loven it!) Screw AT&T and the banks.....I am the inception of consumer revolt.......

Oookay... so you have no credit history at all? You must be stuffing your mattress full of cash... or is it all gold and silver bullion for you? ;) So, how do you pay your taxes without your SSN? Or DO you? :eek: ;)
 
That is not what I am saying. Having the on going costs of maintaining two sets of software/phones, QA test two sets of software/phones, train staff to deal with two carriers would be expensive for Apple. You have to set that against how many new customers would you get by offering a CDMA device. I just don't think the numbers add up. Especially since most large countries have a least one large GSM carrier.

Maybe they do have an old 0.1 test CDMA phone from when they were looking for a carrier. However they probably killed the development effort when they went with a GSM carrier.

If the numbers don't add up, then no other company would produce phones for verizon either. There is clearly money to be made from a cdma phone if Apple were to ever produce one.
 
If the numbers don't add up, then no other company would produce phones for verizon either. There is clearly money to be made from a cdma phone if Apple were to ever produce one.

I don't think you are comparing like for like here. Apple is not just a phone producer who ships off the phones to the carrier to sell. They are much more a partner in this whole arrangement. For instance when you buy a phone you can either do it through an Apple Store or at an AT&T store. Therefore the cost of supporting multiple carriers for them is a lot more than say a Nokia.
 
I don't think you are comparing like for like here. Apple is not just a phone producer who ships off the phones to the carrier to sell. They are much more a partner in this whole arrangement. For instance when you buy a phone you can either do it through an Apple Store or at an AT&T store. Therefore the cost of supporting multiple carriers for them is a lot more than say a Nokia.

I think your overestimating the cost of this "partnership". Apple ships phones to the carrier to sell, just like virtually every other phone maker. They use iTunes to activate it, and they even use to let people activate their phones from home, so it's obviously not that hard or cost-consuming.

Not only that, but Best Buy AND Wal-mart both sell the iPhone, so obviously its not a case of supporting more than one store. After they are activated, there is virtually no difference between a CDMA and GSM iPhone besides what kind of radio they possess - the software would identical, and there's no "supporting" two different platforms. Besides, Softbank (Japan) sells iPhones and they are a W-CDMA carrier, NOT GSM.
 
Congratulations AT&T. You're rolling in a pile of cash.:)

Now, why not include free text-messaging (with that crazy data plan) since texts are about the smallest form of data to run across your network.:mad:

(Yes, I am slave to my iPhone and pay for text messaging.)
 
I don't think you are comparing like for like here. Apple is not just a phone producer who ships off the phones to the carrier to sell. They are much more a partner in this whole arrangement. For instance when you buy a phone you can either do it through an Apple Store or at an AT&T store. Therefore the cost of supporting multiple carriers for them is a lot more than say a Nokia.

Actually, for a Nokia, you can buy the phone directly from Nokia, you can even purchase an unlocked version of any of thier phones from them directly. The same cannot be said of Apple, yes you can buy the phone directly from them, but you are still locked in with AT&T.

I think that the U.S. needs to enact a bill of rights when it comes to cell phone users, I would prpose the following rules.

Not allowing cell phones to be locked to any carrier, ever, under any circumstances.

Not allowing phone carriers to require contracts to obtain a certain phone (although they could allow an incentive, such as a reduced rate with a contract).

Not allowing phone carriers to require a contract to obtain a certain plan. Not allowing phone carriers to charge an excessive early termination fee (the total early termination fee should be the cost of the subsidy - 50% of the cost of the plan paid for the plan to the date of cancellation and 100% of the overage fees paid up to that point., so for example if there is a $100 subsidy and you pay $40 per month and want to cancel at the end of the second month, you would have paid $80 in cell phone fees (not counting taxes), so you would receive a $40 credit towards that $100 subsidy that was paid, now lets say you paid an addition $30 in overage fees for those two months, you would now have a total of $70 credit, so your early termination fee would be $30.

Cell phone carriers should be required to prove their coverage for any particular address before a customer signs up. (T-Mobile does this already)

Cell phone carriers should be required to have a 30 day return policy (most do now, but some still don't) where they even eat the phone charges for that month.

Unlimited data plans mean unlimited data plans, including unlimited text, video and picture messages. Also allows tethering and anything else that the customer chooses to use the Unlimited data plans for. And no cap on bandwidth. (Ok, so these should be the rules for ISPs too).

Ok, aren't the cell phone companies glad that I am not making the laws?
 
Actually, for a Nokia, you can buy the phone directly from Nokia, you can even purchase an unlocked version of any of thier phones from them directly. The same cannot be said of Apple, yes you can buy the phone directly from them, but you are still locked in with AT&T.

I think that the U.S. needs to enact a bill of rights when it comes to cell phone users, I would prpose the following rules.

Not allowing cell phones to be locked to any carrier, ever, under any circumstances.

Not allowing phone carriers to require contracts to obtain a certain phone (although they could allow an incentive, such as a reduced rate with a contract).

Not allowing phone carriers to require a contract to obtain a certain plan. Not allowing phone carriers to charge an excessive early termination fee (the total early termination fee should be the cost of the subsidy - 50% of the cost of the plan paid for the plan to the date of cancellation and 100% of the overage fees paid up to that point., so for example if there is a $100 subsidy and you pay $40 per month and want to cancel at the end of the second month, you would have paid $80 in cell phone fees (not counting taxes), so you would receive a $40 credit towards that $100 subsidy that was paid, now lets say you paid an addition $30 in overage fees for those two months, you would now have a total of $70 credit, so your early termination fee would be $30.

Cell phone carriers should be required to prove their coverage for any particular address before a customer signs up. (T-Mobile does this already)

Cell phone carriers should be required to have a 30 day return policy (most do now, but some still don't) where they even eat the phone charges for that month.

Unlimited data plans mean unlimited data plans, including unlimited text, video and picture messages. Also allows tethering and anything else that the customer chooses to use the Unlimited data plans for. And no cap on bandwidth. (Ok, so these should be the rules for ISPs too).

Ok, aren't the cell phone companies glad that I am not making the laws?


Consumers are the ones who should be most glad you are not making laws. Your ideas would prohibit market innovation and make costs higher for all.
 
Whoever it was at AT&T that managed to get the deal with Steve Jobs on the exclusive rights to the iPhone should be getting some kind of enormous bonus. The iPhone is the most significant thing to happen to the wireless industry in years, and it.. in my opinion... has single-handedly lofted AT&T to a whole other level in the industry.
 
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convergent said:
Whoever it was at AT&T that managed to get the deal with Steve Jobs on the exclusive rights to the iPhone should be getting some kind of enormous bonus. The iPhone is the most significant thing to happen to the wireless industry in years, and it.. in my opinion... has single-handedly lofted AT&T to a whole other level in the industry.

Agreed. And at the same time, the IDIOTS at Verizon who told Apple where to stick it ought to have their heads on a platter by now.
 
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