Yes, I do. But AGAIN. Read my posts above. I think it is related to push notifications. The latest version activates push. I believe that push is what is causing it. Whether it be a buggy implementation, or push simply does this, I don't know. There have been dozens of reports that push is causing a drastic reduction to SOME people. Maybe a buggy implementation. I'm currently testing push notifications off (and after a reboot to kill any lingering process), and my phone survived the entire night without so much as a dent into the battery life, recording only 1 minute usage (before it had 3-4 hours over night doing nothing). I'm heading into 1 hour usage, and my battery still has not gone down. I'll let you know what happens at the end of today, but keep in mind, I have BeeJive still installed.
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Yes, I do. But AGAIN. Read my posts above. I think it is related to push notifications. The latest version activates push. I believe that push is what is causing it. Whether it be a buggy implementation, or push simply does this, I don't know. There have been dozens of reports that push is causing a drastic reduction to SOME people. Maybe a buggy implementation. I'm currently testing push notifications off (and after a reboot to kill any lingering process), and my phone survived the entire night without so much as a dent into the battery life, recording only 1 minute usage (before it had 3-4 hours over night doing nothing). I'm heading into 1 hour usage, and my battery still has not gone down. I'll let you know what happens at the end of today, but keep in mind, I have BeeJive still installed.
You're right ... I performed the test again with the badge notifications etc OFF and it seems that solved the issue ...
Doing a 'longer' test tonight when I'm asleep.
Glad you were able to discover the culprit and hopefully this gets passed on to others.
I have a feeling push is not going to be very popular with batteries. I also had to turn mine off unless i am really expecting something.
It is not just the Beejive app, there are others that are using push causing the same problem. Try using StarDefense with push on. NOW, not only do you have game graphics but push also draining the battery..you can almost see it moving it goes so quick.
Anyway...time for you to sit back and enjoy your new iPhone...I pick up my 3GS today so will now have all 3 generations to play with.
I have a feeling push is not going to be very popular with batteries. I also had to turn mine off unless i am really expecting something.
It is not just the Beejive app, there are others that are using push causing the same problem. Try using StarDefense with push on. NOW, not only do you have game graphics but push also draining the battery..you can almost see it moving it goes so quick.
Anyway...time for you to sit back and enjoy your new iPhone...I pick up my 3GS today so will now have all 3 generations to play with.
Do you know if removing some of the push aspects (alerts / badges, but leave notifications on) would help? Beejive was appealing to me because it WOULD let me know if someone IM'd me. But, battery is DEFINITELY taking a hit.
EDIT: Also, have any of you noticed a decrease in battery life (noticeable decrease) while browsing the app store? I'm not talking about downloading the apps, I'm just talking about looking around the store. I browsed it for about 5 minutes today, and I'm pretty sure 4% (at least 3%) during those 5 minutes.
EDIT: Also, have any of you noticed a decrease in battery life (noticeable decrease) while browsing the app store? I'm not talking about downloading the apps, I'm just talking about looking around the store. I browsed it for about 5 minutes today, and I'm pretty sure 4% (at least 3%) during those 5 minutes.
Two things to consider for your question...Did you have Beejive active and in push mode while you were using the Store App?
Did you have any Safari web pages open while you were using the Store App?
If the answer is yes to either of those then I highly doubt the App Store App is draining your battery at that rate.
As for your first question...I do not use Beejive so cannot answer. The other apps I have do allow you to turn of aspects of the push. StarDefense allows me a choice to shut off Sounds and Alerts. BillMinder allows me to choose between Sounds, Alerts and Badges. I am sure Beejive has these options as well unless the coder is totally brain dead.
Hope that helps.
By active, I'm assuming that you meant my accounts were logged on and Beejive was notifying me of any new IM's. That would be accurate. My safari was closed and all windows had been closed out (I'm OCD about that, I like opening Safari to a blank window).
I know that I can turn off all three aspects of push: badges, alerts, notifications...I'm just wondering if having two of those three off will help or if it doesn't make a difference: if one is on, it's draining the battery just as much as if three were on.
Wasn't Push supposed to be this awesome battery saving technology because background apps ate up so much power? Or was I missing something there?
Hmmm...
I have had BeeJive since the night it came out and it isn't draining my battery any where close to that.
Of course, when I am not using it, I MANUALLY sign out of all accounts on BeeJive and DO NOT rely on the session time out time option, which I have set to four hours for whatever reason.
Are you saying that you log out of ALL accounts in BeeJive, and it STILL drains your battery?
If so, that is weird and I am not seeing that on my phone.
I have had BeeJive since the night it came out and it isn't draining my battery any where close to that.
Of course, when I am not using it, I MANUALLY sign out of all accounts on BeeJive and DO NOT rely on the session time out time option, which I have set to four hours for whatever reason.
Are you saying that you log out of ALL accounts in BeeJive, and it STILL drains your battery?
If so, that is weird and I am not seeing that on my phone.
Depends on what you mean.
I have Push Notifications turned on for BeeJive 24X7, 365 in Settings > Notifications
But when I am on a computer at home, or at work, I go in to BeeJive > Accounts, and then switch the master status thingy to Offline.
Why do I need the phone going crazy during the day when I am sitting behind a computer with Yahoo and Google installed? We use Yahoo at my job, so if I left it on all day, I am sure my battery would drain too.
What I am curious of, is, are you guys NOT signing out of BeeJive and have the timeout set to a crazy length of time so it is staying signed in over night?
I think this is a battery defect. My Blk 16gb 3G-S was fully charged and powered it off completely. Now, I push the power button on in the a.m. and nothing happens, I hold it down and nothing happens, I plug in a charger and I see a thin red battery line and a charge symbol and nothing else happens. After a while plugged into the charger, it slowly started coming to life and finally fully recharged. Obviously if a fully charged phone is powered off, it should not power back on fully dead. Hopefully the Genius bar will replace it as there is obviously a defect.
Great! Did you have to reboot as well?
After a few more slightly empirical tests, I confirm it's my push. With it on, I get 10 hours MAX, regardless what I'm doing - usage of 1 minute out of every 4 regardless of whether I use it or not. However, for me, I have to turn push off AND reboot to kill the lingering process, I guess, to stop usage while asleep. Did so and my phone slept through the night with 7 hours stand by and a couple minute usage (which was me playing around to check).
I also noticed that while plugged in and charging usage was climbing, even when asleep.
I wonder if push is just that intensive, or if it's a bug in push implementation.
So, in conclusion, if anyone is finding a drastic reduction in battery life from 3.0(and I mean drastic as in 20-50% of what you normally get) - check your push. Note there are two kinds of push - push email and push notifications, so I suggest checking both of these.
Under General -> Usage, "usage" should be zero when your phone is sleeping. If it is climbing up 1:1 with your standby time while asleep, this is a sure sign you have a background process running while asleep.
Ironic when you consider Push is supposed to ne an alternative to background processes and yet it is what is causing issues.
Indeed. But imagine what it would be like if you actually had a complete process running? At the moment, it registers like 1 minute out of 3-4 being in use. An actually app would probably count all - so your battery may reduce to 3-4 hours!
Chances are that this is also an imperfect implementation at the moment too. Like a bug. But that's still up in the air.
Yes - I just recently installed the latest revision of Beejive around the exact time when the "phantom battery drainage" started occurring!
Your behavior is spot on! I will add that Li-Ion like to be between 20-80% so do not use car chargers unless it's well under 80%.
Why do you say that about car chargers? Why does the battery have to be "well under 80%"?
Haha this thread makes me laugh. Apple put in all that effort to come up with a battery friendly background notification system, and it seems to have failed miserably. I'm pretty sure true background task support would be less battery intensive for apps such as reminder apps.
Apple have added all these cool new features to the phone but you have to turn them all off to get through the day!
Apple have added all these cool new features to the phone but you have to turn them all off to get through the day!
I see where to disable email push in my settings, but where is the push setting for notifications? I don't see any mention of notifications anywhere in my settings?
Nevermind. I now see that the Notifications menu item will only show up in settings if you have apps installed to take advantage of them. (AP Mobile for instance)
Nevermind. I now see that the Notifications menu item will only show up in settings if you have apps installed to take advantage of them. (AP Mobile for instance)
I have the iPhone 3G running 3.0 software.
Wifi: On
3G: On
Bluetooth: On
Location Services: On
Push: On (for both MobileMe and Beejive)
Fetch: Manual
When I'm at home or work, my phone is plugged in and charging via my computer's USB port. Often when I go to bed, I'll turn off my MacBook. At this point, the iPhone's battery is 100% charged, but is no longer charging once I turn off the MacBook.
When I wake up, my battery has NEVER once been below 95%. The 3G doesn't come with the same built-in battery indicator as the 3GS, so I use 3rd party apps which report in 5% increments. I know that this is accurate however, as when I plug the phone in after getting to work in the morning, I typically get the "plug" symbol on my battery icon indicating that the battery is fully charged/not charging.
I fully drain (calibrate) my battery once a month, and probably let it get below 90% once a week. It's plugged in all other times. I have no idea what is wrong with some of your phones, but I'd surely say that something is defective with the battery or you have errant background processes that shouldn't be running. My battery life is still AMAZING 366 days later.
Wifi: On
3G: On
Bluetooth: On
Location Services: On
Push: On (for both MobileMe and Beejive)
Fetch: Manual
When I'm at home or work, my phone is plugged in and charging via my computer's USB port. Often when I go to bed, I'll turn off my MacBook. At this point, the iPhone's battery is 100% charged, but is no longer charging once I turn off the MacBook.
When I wake up, my battery has NEVER once been below 95%. The 3G doesn't come with the same built-in battery indicator as the 3GS, so I use 3rd party apps which report in 5% increments. I know that this is accurate however, as when I plug the phone in after getting to work in the morning, I typically get the "plug" symbol on my battery icon indicating that the battery is fully charged/not charging.
I fully drain (calibrate) my battery once a month, and probably let it get below 90% once a week. It's plugged in all other times. I have no idea what is wrong with some of your phones, but I'd surely say that something is defective with the battery or you have errant background processes that shouldn't be running. My battery life is still AMAZING 366 days later.