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iPhone 3GS Has More Powerful PowerVR SGX 535 GPU?
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I agree with how you feel, but I welcome Palm's competition. It can only strengthen iPhone and AppStore.
I doubt they will be able to take the iPod Touch much further than the latest iPhone just on purely economic reasons. The iPhone will always have the latest and greatest to entice people into the 2-year contracts with the expensive data plans. The Touch will again be almost a carbon copy of the iPhone. Maybe a camera, maybe 64 GB. But not much more in terms of power or processing.
Really? I can't see anything that any other manufacturer is doing that is influencing Apple's iPhone development in terms of competition. Except maybe stuff that Apple should have nailed with the first iPhone such as cut/copy/paste, video, MMS, tethering.
Apple is leading the way otherwise and not looking back!
The upgraded graphics chip makes the following possible:
PSX emulator for iphone 3 GS!!!!
http://gizmodo.com/5302386/iphone-3gss-upgraded-hardware-means-console-emulators-no-longer-suck
PSX emulator for iphone 3 GS!!!!
http://gizmodo.com/5302386/iphone-3gss-upgraded-hardware-means-console-emulators-no-longer-suck
The 3gs is faster than the 3g, so if your tired of the slowness upgrade you'll be happy.
Don't forget about stuff like multitasking and the address book etc. that palm has got running way better than apple. The pre is still fast and very good, with some OS updates it'll be a very strong rival to the iphone (bear in mind how much faster iphone OS has got since the original release - the pre is on v1 right now).
Then what will happen? Apple will put out their yearly update, so will palm. If palm pulls the stops out and makes their phone a lot better (like apple did with 3g / os2.0 last year) then iphone will start slipping behind. Palm are putting a lot of pressure on apple to up their game.
While I don't believe Apple takes anything in the marketplace for granted, I just don't see the Pre being strong competition.
And Apple seems to keep a lot of features as weapons for a later date(also to keep people getting the newest model) so I don't see the idea of Apple falling behind as valid. I think they are just milking this as long as they can. I think Apple could drop many more features at anytime it wants.
And I still think this idea of multi-tasking is a load of carp. For as fast as the 3GS is, is there really any delay? And how is that battery life on the Pre with its multi-tasking? From what I understand, it is piss poor!
I'm sorry but I just tend to believe that Apple is already at least 2 years down the road with its iPhone plans while these other phones are playing catch-up. Apple is only playing catch-up with what Apple wants to play catch-up with.
I agree. Taking the thunder from iPhone will require besting it in significant ways. Matching it won't be enough, and the Pre is a long ways from doing even that.
Hmm I wonder if it is possible to squeeze more power from the GPU CPU then?
If the Clock is capped at 600mhz... capable of 800mhz... then is is possible to unleash that extra torque?
Hope Soooooo!
I'm sure some enterprising jailbreak developer will uncap the CPU, and maybe even tap that supposed ability to record 720p video (although the battery will probably last about 8 seconds).
I cannot be happy without having the latest and greatest apple gadgets.
I must get my hands on the iPhone 3GS... The iPhone 3G is obsolete and it's 1 @#% year old !
You like making it hard for yourself, eh?
I'm that way too, in a way. Though I've somehow resisted the animal urge to get a 3GS right away. We'll see how long I can hold out.
You just gotta know that by next year there will be something else "coming next year." There will always be something else coming.
My suggestion is to buy what you need and know that it will be outdated sooner then you're ready to upgrade. The technology train stops at no stations and is speeding up, so there's no safe time to try and jump on board.
Unnoticeable difference from previous models. (For example, playing NFS Underground)
ahahaha...same here. im glad i skipped the 3G
In about a year, I will be sooo glad that I am skipping the 3gs updgrade...
I actually think that is in the plan.
Well we could debate that at length, but there is a very good chance it will be much faster in the same way the current Touch is faster than 3G and has a longer battery life.
The thing here is that I'm pretty sure people at Apple where quoted as saying that iPod Touch devices may move in a different direction that iPhone. This actually makes sense if you think about it. Touch was successfully on a number of counts, alternative implementations just mean that Apple can market to different needs.
This has me convinced that Apple will have an alternate model Touch to market along side an updated current model Touch. I'm thinking a larger screen and other features that allow the device to support greater ineractivity. It just makes sense to expand the lineup.
Dave
IPod Touch is a product in it's own right and rather popular. Thus it is it's own economy and justified so. That doesn't mean there are not shared technologies that are used on both platforms. Hardware however doesn't have to be one of those techs.
First there is more to iPhone than that. Second iPhone hasn't had the greatest since the last Touch came out. Touch was a faster system up until "S" hit the shelves. There is no basis for your statement.
Well we could debate that at length, but there is a very good chance it will be much faster in the same way the current Touch is faster than 3G and has a longer battery life.
The thing here is that I'm pretty sure people at Apple where quoted as saying that iPod Touch devices may move in a different direction that iPhone. This actually makes sense if you think about it. Touch was successfully on a number of counts, alternative implementations just mean that Apple can market to different needs.
This has me convinced that Apple will have an alternate model Touch to market along side an updated current model Touch. I'm thinking a larger screen and other features that allow the device to support greater ineractivity. It just makes sense to expand the lineup.
Dave
Wow, the people in this thread speculating on the iPhone GPU running openCL really need to read up on what openCL is.
OpenCL is not about graphics acceleration, the GPU already does that by itself.
OpenCL is not about running generic CPU code on the GPU, if-then-else, branchy code, code that needs user input, code that needs to access other memory, code that needs to do a lot of small different operations is CPU code, openCL will not make it run on the GPU, GPUs are not built for that.
OpenCL and GPGPU are about heavy duty number crunching, large datasets, vector processing, matrix calculations.
OpenCL is for folding-at-home, mathmatica and photoshop filters, not waiting for you to click a link in safari or watch a youtube video.
The PowerVR chips don't even have programmable shader pipelines, something that is required for openCL. They use tile based deferred rendering which is an entirely different rendering technique from what nvidia and ati use.
OpenCL is not about graphics acceleration, the GPU already does that by itself.
OpenCL is not about running generic CPU code on the GPU, if-then-else, branchy code, code that needs user input, code that needs to access other memory, code that needs to do a lot of small different operations is CPU code, openCL will not make it run on the GPU, GPUs are not built for that.
OpenCL and GPGPU are about heavy duty number crunching, large datasets, vector processing, matrix calculations.
OpenCL is for folding-at-home, mathmatica and photoshop filters, not waiting for you to click a link in safari or watch a youtube video.
The PowerVR chips don't even have programmable shader pipelines, something that is required for openCL. They use tile based deferred rendering which is an entirely different rendering technique from what nvidia and ati use.
That isn't true, the SGX does have a programable shaders. What it is missing is unified shaders. That is why it supports OpenGL ES 2.0 (which isn't backwards compatible with 1.1).
I agree with most everything you are saying. I just don't think that Apple will release a "major" revolution in the Touch until it hits the iPhone. If Apple came out with multi-core processing in the iPod Touch this September there would be a huge slow-down in iPhone sales as people would know that that same multi-core processing would be just a few months away. That's all.
Yes, I oversimplified that and used the wrong term, but the PowerVR gpus are much simpler than even the lowest level GPU currently offered by nvidia or ati.
It's much more comparable to a radeon 7000 or intel gma950.
The PowerVR is a nice gpu for a low power handheld device, but it's not even in the same ballpark as the GPUs that can run openCL.
Even if it could, there would be no point to running it on the iPhone. GPUs are good at running vectorized code, but most code isn't easily vectorizable.
OpenCL does not work the way most people here think it does, it will not magically offload cpu code onto the gpu.
OpenCL does make the processing power of the gpu simpler to access for programmers, but only in the narrow circumstances that it's useful.
None of those circumstances are useful on the iPhone/iPod touch.
It's much more comparable to a radeon 7000 or intel gma950.
The PowerVR is a nice gpu for a low power handheld device, but it's not even in the same ballpark as the GPUs that can run openCL.
Even if it could, there would be no point to running it on the iPhone. GPUs are good at running vectorized code, but most code isn't easily vectorizable.
OpenCL does not work the way most people here think it does, it will not magically offload cpu code onto the gpu.
OpenCL does make the processing power of the gpu simpler to access for programmers, but only in the narrow circumstances that it's useful.
None of those circumstances are useful on the iPhone/iPod touch.
Tweakers start modding and overclocking the 3GS graphix card! Btw Apple and Nvidia have release the GTX 285 for the Mac Pro, I think it will be a matter of time to see this baby in the iPhone..