iPhone 4 and 3GS Rank as Best-Selling U.S. Smartphones

[AppleScruff1]

That doesn't really jive with your last post, where you claimed it was hype that drove sales.

Sure it does. The hype drives a large portion of the sales, the customer is already in ecstasy with the thought of having an iPhone, and is extremely satisfied with the purchase. They can be satisfied without knowing what else is out there and without being open minded. They really don't care how well it works. They have an iPhone, that's all that matters. It doesn't make them intelligent consumers.

 

[AidenShaw]

Android. "Free and Open." By Google.

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If you look closely, you can see the black turtleneck that the trooper in your image is wearing.

 

[DeathChill]

Sure it does. The hype drives a large portion of the sales, the customer is already in ecstasy with the thought of having an iPhone, and is extremely satisfied with the purchase. They can be satisfied without knowing what else is out there and without being open minded. They really don't care how well it works. They have an iPhone, that's all that matters. It doesn't make them intelligent consumers.

This is some impressive denial you're in. It couldn't possibly be because the iPhone is a really good product, it just couldn't!

If you look closely, you can see the black turtleneck that the trooper in your image is wearing.

I'll admit it, I laughed.

 

[AppleScruff1]

This is some impressive denial you're in. It couldn't possibly be because the iPhone is a really good product, it just couldn't!

Of course it's a good product, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. There are also lots of other good products on the market too. For many consumers, they only hear Apple or iPhone, which they here from the media on a regular basis. So, that is the product to have. People wait in line for a week to get one. I want one, everyone else has one.

I actually met someone who told me they had a new iPhone, so I asked them was it on Verizon or AT&T. He told me it was on Sprint. I said Sprint doesn't have the iPhone. He said it was the same thing. Sadly, this is the knowledgeability of so many consumers, not just Apple ones.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Originally Posted by linuxcooldude View Post
Android is not a smartphone, its an operating system. Show me an Android phone that is out selling the iphone. Tired of this inaccurate statement.

How is not not true. There are more people who many different phones using Android and some people using Iphones with iOS.

Meaning more people use a Android phone then a iOS phone.

What you said is a true statement, mine is also correct. While Android maybe on more phones then the iphones, more iphones are sold then any one Android phone model. Market share does not always mean more money.

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True but same thing was said about Windows back in the day when Apple had a better OS. Windows ended up winning just because you could get Windows on many different computers of many different prices. I think Apple needs to be careful about this.

Again market share does not mean much in this case as well. Microsoft OS is on more computers then Mac OSX, yet Apple is worth more then Microsoft at this point. Microsoft has always been too slow to new markets ( With the exception of gaming market, Xbox, but losing to another platform, mobile gaming )

MS is going to be in the market for the long haul and chances are it will gain marketshare. People called them stupid for making a video game counsel and breaking into that market and yet they did and now it is starting to do fairly well. To think that WP7 is a short term investment is stupid at best. It is going to be a long term project.

It was a great idea they went to the console gaming platform and commend them for it. But again late to the game. Apples mobile game center outnumbers xbox live in only nine months time. Microsoft just have not been that great in the mobile department, WP7 is still not doing well, but I think will slowly increase over time. Look at the Zune phone, that never took off either.

But since you are going by sell numbers then Windows 7 is a hell of a lot better than OSX because it sold more copies. Hell Vista and XP both would be better by that argument. And we know at least for Vista and XP that is far from the truth.

Mac OSX is mainly used to sell and promote their hardware, software is not their biggest seller. Probably why they sell Mac OSX so cheap now a days.

While windows sells on more computers then Mac, Macs probably sell more computers in the $1000.00 and above category then most windows based computers.

Android's "openness" is just a way for geeks to proclaim an "advantage" to using Android. The truth is, Android isn't "open" at all. Of course, calling it "open if we want it to be" doesn't sound as good as "open source FTW!! Zomggg!"

Agree, while Android is open, the cell phone on which it is installed on is not. Usually locked in to a phone carrier, so you might have to play by their rules.

 

[fermat-au]

Android is not a smartphone, its an operating system. Show me an Android phone that is out selling the iphone. Tired of this inaccurate statement.

While Android is an OS and the iPhone is a series of, hardware, phones, iPhones are the only phones that run iOS. While comparing Android (the OS) with iPhones (hardware) is technically incorrect, it is valid in sprite, as it becomes correct if "iPhone" is replaced by "Phones running iOS"

The technically true statement:

Android continuing to lead the U.S. smartphone market with 52% of new sales during the quarter. Phones powered by Apple's iOS checked in with 29% of the market

 

[inkswamp]

You make no sense. Its a smartphone comparison. All Blackberry phones are being tallied also, just as all windows phones are. Why should the iPhone count also include other iOS devices. They aren't including Playbook or Android tablets. They aren't including all the devices out there that run Android that aren't smartphones. Are you actully thinking about what you posting? You can't be.

I thought I was clear in what I said, but on the off-chance you're actually trying to understand my point and not just some angry kid with reading comprehension issues looking for places to spew bile at others, I'll explain it in a way that might help (i.e., in small, easy-to-read sentences with no big words.)

First off, I'm not saying a count of smartphones should include the iPad and iPod Touch.

What I'm saying is that it makes no sense to compare the iPhone to all Android phones consolidated as one. The iPhone is a single line of phones from a single manufacturer. It's part of a platform (iOS) but it alone does not represent the entirety of the platform. You can rightly compare sales of Apple's phone to one of Samsung's line of phones or one of HTC's line of phones, but once you pile all Android phones together and pit them against the iPhone, you're comparing a single phone from a single manufacturer against an entire platform.

In the case of comparing platforms, it's appropriate to include the iPad and iPod Touch with the iPhone. And yet, this phone-to-platform comparison is exactly what I see so many tech sites and publications do.

Now, I realize I used a couple of big words and some of my sentences went past 10 words, so please, if any of those cause you grievous mental confusion, speak up and let me know. I'm happy to clarify anything you're unable to process.

 

[stevensr123]

Here's the break down.

Android is on every network in the US, with all the BOGO promo, and giving away low end, barely qualifying as smartphone, Androids for free. Still not a single Android device managed to out sell a 2 year old iPhone 3GS, selling only on one network, AT&T.

You do realise that their is a whole "world" outside of america :roll eyes:

And you do reliese android phones *can be just as expensive as iPhones?

 

[linuxcooldude]

You do realize that their is a whole "world" outside of america :roll eyes:

Don't take it personally. He only knows what carriers cover Android in the USA, he cannot speak for all the rest of the countries in the world as he does not know. Probably thousands. Can you name them all, and what operating system they each support?

Besides, I thought it was America and everyone else, just kidding...lol

Android continuing to lead the U.S. smartphone market with 52% of new sales during the quarter. Phones powered by Apple's iOS checked in with 29% of the market

Ah, there we go.

 

[bpaluzzi]

What I'm saying is that it makes no sense to compare the iPhone to all Android phones consolidated as one. The iPhone is a single line of phones from a single manufacturer. It's part of a platform (iOS) but it alone does not represent the entirety of the platform. You can rightly compare sales of Apple's phone to one of Samsung's line of phones or one of HTC's line of phones, but once you pile all Android phones together and pit them against the iPhone, you're comparing a single phone from a single manufacturer against an entire platform.

In the case of comparing platforms, it's appropriate to include the iPad and iPod Touch with the iPhone. And yet, this phone-to-platform comparison is exactly what I see so many tech sites and publications do.

THIS.

You either choose hardware (iPhone vs HTC Evo, for example) or software (iOS vs. Android).

Cherry-picking a subset of the software (iOS running on phones) is as ridiculous as saying that a flavor of computer OS is the "most popular on laptops" or "most popular on mini-towers". Sure, I guess it tells you _something_, but it's terribly less important than the real number: how many people are using that OS.

Apple is dominating in hardware sales (individual units) and software sales (OS in use, regardless of device).

So Apple produces the (two) most popular handsets, and the most popular mobile OS. How is it getting beat by Android again?

 

[KnightWRX]

And what a buzzword it is! I swear every Android user who posts on a forum knows everything there is to know about open source, the OHA, and the apache license

It's comical really.

Good thing I'm not an Android user then and am rather educated into the OSI, FSF and other Free software and open source communities having used Linux as my primary OS for close to 10 years before switching to OS X.

I wouldn't want to be comical.

The initial point was still wrong, alent was spreading FUD with his "everyone needs to engineer out their phone since the Android source does not provide baseband code to access the semi-conductors".

THIS.

You either choose hardware (iPhone vs HTC Evo, for example) or software (iOS vs. Android).

It's funny. When talking handset market share, Android is not a hardware platform and thus can't be compared as a whole to the iPhone. Yet when discussing "innovation and copying", the iPhone completely changed Android and we then get to see that great big Android prototype. So essentially, inkswamp and others that say the iPhone can't be compared to Android for market share sure as hell like comparing Android to the iPhone when it comes to "copying".

So which is it ? Is Android a hardware platform or is it only software ? You can't have both people.

 

[*LTD*]

Why is it not surpising you are twisting the facts and putting limiters on something that hammers your argument. You keep going sale sale sale numbers but when someone points out something that is not true based on sale numbers (XP is better than OSX) you have to jump around and say no.

Sorry does not work here. You can not argue sale numbers as the only metric which you seem to do and then try to say nope can not work when something points out how wrong that metric is.

It depends on what's behind the numbers.

Sales figures - the rhyme and reason for them, are an entirely different beast when it comes to MS, and likewise, an entirely different beast when it comes to Apple. They aren't the same company, nor are their strategies the same.

To examine sales figures divorced from their strategic and market context is a waste of time and *will* lead you to false conclusions.

Apple gear sells for one set of reasons. MS for another.

Not all sales figures are created equal. Understand what's behind them.

 

[inkswamp]

It's funny. When talking handset market share, Android is not a hardware platform and thus can't be compared as a whole to the iPhone. Yet when discussing "innovation and copying", the iPhone completely changed Android and we then get to see that great big Android prototype. So essentially, inkswamp and others that say the iPhone can't be compared to Android for market share sure as hell like comparing Android to the iPhone when it comes to "copying".

So which is it ? Is Android a hardware platform or is it only software ? You can't have both people.

I didn't say we can't discuss Android as a platform, and I'd venture a guess that nobody else has said that either. I said it doesn't make sense to discuss Android as a platform in the context of comparing it to a single line of phones that itself is only a fraction of its own platform. It's an apples and oranges comparison. And if you insist on doing that, then the inclusion of the rest of the iPhone's platform seems to be a given. Otherwise, what's the value of such a comparison?

And when you're discussing overall features and "copying", you're talking about the operating system, not the entire platform.

 

[Pimp Lucious]

I thought I was clear in what I said, but on the off-chance you're actually trying to understand my point and not just some angry kid with reading comprehension issues looking for places to spew bile at others, I'll explain it in a way that might help (i.e., in small, easy-to-read sentences with no big words.)

First off, I'm not saying a count of smartphones should include the iPad and iPod Touch.

What I'm saying is that it makes no sense to compare the iPhone to all Android phones consolidated as one. The iPhone is a single line of phones from a single manufacturer. It's part of a platform (iOS) but it alone does not represent the entirety of the platform. You can rightly compare sales of Apple's phone to one of Samsung's line of phones or one of HTC's line of phones, but once you pile all Android phones together and pit them against the iPhone, you're comparing a single phone from a single manufacturer against an entire platform.

In the case of comparing platforms, it's appropriate to include the iPad and iPod Touch with the iPhone. And yet, this phone-to-platform comparison is exactly what I see so many tech sites and publications do.

Now, I realize I used a couple of big words and some of my sentences went past 10 words, so please, if any of those cause you grievous mental confusion, speak up and let me know. I'm happy to clarify anything you're unable to process.

Trying to imply that I'm unable to comprehend your argument is cute. That doesn't excuse the lack of sense your argument makes. The iPhone numbers aren't just one phone its two, the iPhone 4 and the 3GS. This limitation in SKUs is Apple's doing, not one from the market analysis. Any comparison on new smarthphone adoption by OS has to include all the available models being sold within that quarter running that OS. Therefore it includes all the various smartphones model running Android. Notice how you don't have any issue with the combining of the other phones running a particular OS as their maketshare is smaller than Apples, but since Android is beating iOS by wide margins in the smartphone arena, and you dislike this fact, your only recourse is argue that non smarthphones be included in a smarthphone study.

The end all is that by a good margin, more people are choosing Android over iOS on smarthphones. If eight individuals walk into Verizon store to buy a new smartphone, two buy an iPhone 4, one buys a 3GS, and the remaining 5 individuals buy 5 different Android phones, 5 out of 8 chose Android over iOS even if the iPhone 4 outsold the other individual handsets. This is what the numbers are showing month after month, quarter after quarter, and this is the fact you don't want to deal with. Deal with it.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Trying to imply that I'm unable to comprehend your argument is cute. That doesn't excuse the lack of sense your argument makes. The iPhone numbers aren't just one phone its two, the iPhone 4 and the 3GS. This limitation in SKUs is Apple's doing, not one from the market analysis. Any comparison on new smarthphone adoption by OS has to include all the available models being sold within that quarter running that OS. Therefore it includes all the various smartphones model running Android. Notice how you don't have any issue with the combining of the other phones running a particular OS as their maketshare is smaller than Apples, but since Android is beating iOS by wide margins in the smartphone arena, and you dislike this fact, your only recourse is argue that non smarthphones be included in a smarthphone study.

The end all is that by a good margin, more people are choosing Android over iOS on smarthphones. If eight individuals walk into Verizon store to buy a new smartphone, two buy an iPhone 4, one buys a 3GS, and the remaining 5 individuals buy 5 different Android phones, 5 out of 8 chose Android over iOS even if the iPhone 4 outsold the other individual handsets. This is what the numbers are showing month after month, quarter after quarter, and this is the fact you don't want to deal with. Deal with it.

Again, so what? iOS is outselling Android, and the iPhone is outselling every Android phone.

Who cares that Android is on more smart phones? Do you care if Windows or Mac is on more towers? How about on laptops? They're totally useless numbers, as is the "smartphones using an OS" metric.

 

[inkswamp]

Trying to imply that I'm unable to comprehend your argument is cute.

Oh, quit whining. If you can't handle personal attacks, don't do it to others.

You make no sense. [...] Are you actully thinking about what you posting? You can't be.

 

[Pimp Lucious]

Again, so what? iOS is outselling Android, and the iPhone is outselling every Android phone.

Who cares that Android is on more smart phones? Do you care if Windows or Mac is on more towers? How about on laptops? They're totally useless numbers, as is the "smartphones using an OS" metric.

We care, thats why we discuss it on fan sites. What does it mean to the average end user or most of us as fans of tech? Absolutley nothing. No different than the back and forth you would see on fan sites for sports teams or any number of things people align themselves with as fans. Welcome to the internet buddy.

 

[voonyx]

Again, so what? iOS is outselling Android, and the iPhone is outselling every Android phone.

Who cares that Android is on more smart phones? Do you care if Windows or Mac is on more towers? How about on laptops? They're totally useless numbers, as is the "smartphones using an OS" metric.

"Smartphones using an OS" is the only metric that Android users have. Therefore, to them it is the most important metric. Not profit, not handset sales, not OS users, not app revenue, not developer interest, not loyalty, not satisfaction.

Let them have it...

 

[hassanimtiaz91]

they are the best..

 

[Pimp Lucious]

"Smartphones using an OS" is the only metric that Android users have. Therefore, to them it is the most important metric. Not profit, not handset sales, not OS users, not app revenue, not developer interest, not loyalty, not satisfaction.

Let them have it...

Until recently, it was the only metric that anyone really paid attention to. That is until it became apparent that Apple could not compete with the Android steamroller in marketshare. That's what Steve Jobs used to stand on stage and gloat about until Android took over. Well now he gloats about the iPad marketshare.

 

[voonyx]

Until recently, it was the only metric that anyone really paid attention to. That is until it became apparent that Apple could not compete with the Android steamroller in marketshare. That's what Steve Jobs used to stand on stage and gloat about until Android took over. Well now he gloats about the iPad marketshare.

No until recently it was "smartphone". The qualifier "os" came about with android, when for some reason we started comparing 300 products to 1.

 

[francodarsow]

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