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What a load of FUD. Have you heard of the Open Handset alliance ? This is the actual group of companies working on Android and an open handset specification. These guys are the ones providing the code for Android, and guess who are members :

http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

So where is the "Ice cream sandwich" source code?

Who can join the Open Handset Alliance?
The Open Handset Alliance brings together companies in the mobile ecosystem that each contribute to the effort in various ways. We welcome companies willing to make serious and ongoing contributions to openness in the mobile world.

It's only slightly more open source than Windows.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/default.mspx
 
Uh... where it should be, unreleased ? When was Ice cream sandwich released ?



Yeah, because you're going to make a handset in your basement from beta quality source code. :rolleyes:

Again, what a load of FUD.

I know where Mozilla's latest build's source code is.
I know where Linux kernel's latest build's source code is.
I know where VLC's latest build's source code is.
I know where Webkit's latest build's source code is.
I know where Darwin's latest build's source code is.

Where is Android's latest build's source code?
 
If that's what you call critical mesas, then MS might as well pack up now and leave the smartphone market.

Well most of the major Apps everyone wants are in the WP7 marketplace. It might not have all the little ones but does not change the fact most of the popular ones everyone is across all the platforms. In terms of noise WP7 marketplace has a lot less noise than Apple's App Store and Android Marketplace.
It doesn't seem to be making any difference. Nor is it really germane to success at this point. Apple's relations as they are, are rocketing their obsoleted device (3GS) into best-seller status. And their relations with developers, such as they are, have made iOS the #1 mobile platform. Judging by recent news, Apple looks secure in that position.

Developer relations don't mean a whole lot when a) no one really wants to buy your phones, and b) there's a lot more money to be made on the other guy's platform.

MS' love-fest with developers needs to include consumers. Right now, it looks like a pretty lonely twosome. Given the way MS is, we'll probably see a sad parting of ways in due course.

What are you talking about. I was not talking about consumers. Only you can twist that fact.

MS is going to be in the market for the long haul and chances are it will gain marketshare. People called them stupid for making a video game counsel and breaking into that market and yet they did and now it is starting to do fairly well. To think that WP7 is a short term investment is stupid at best. It is going to be a long term project.

But since you are going by sell numbers then Windows 7 is a hell of a lot better than OSX because it sold more copies. Hell Vista and XP both would be better by that argument. And we know at least for Vista and XP that is far from the truth.
 
I know where Mozilla's latest build's source code is.
I know where Linux kernel's latest build's source code is.
I know where VLC's latest build's source code is.
I know where Webkit's latest build's source code is.
I know where Darwin's latest build's source code is.

Where is Android's latest build's source code?

And what does this have to do with the original premise that as a Android handset builder, you need to engineer every driver for every semi-conductor yourself ? :rolleyes:

Open source does not necessarily mean that it is being openly developed. You can very much keep the source code hidden from the public until you decide to release it.

Wow, prove the guy wrong, and the FUD spreaders come crawling out the woodworks with more crap. Alent was wrong, end of story.
 
if you compare the iPhone to android head to head though the marketshare is completely different i still think android is far more popular then the iPhone.
 
I know where Mozilla's latest build's source code is.
I know where Linux kernel's latest build's source code is.
I know where VLC's latest build's source code is.
I know where Webkit's latest build's source code is.
I know where Darwin's latest build's source code is.

Where is Android's latest build's source code?

Android's "openness" is just a way for geeks to proclaim an "advantage" to using Android. The truth is, Android isn't "open" at all. Of course, calling it "open if we want it to be" doesn't sound as good as "open source FTW!! Zomggg!"
 
And what does this have to do with the original premise that as a Android handset builder, you need to engineer every driver for every semi-conductor yourself ? :rolleyes:

Open source does not necessarily mean that it is being openly developed. You can very much keep the source code hidden from the public until you decide to release it.

Wow, prove the guy wrong, and the FUD spreaders come crawling out the woodworks with more crap. Alent was wrong, end of story.

The point of open source is that every willing party can participate in the process.

The way Android is open sourced is the bare minimum of what they have to do in order to keep using the buzzword.
 
The point of open source is that every willing party can participate in the process.

The way Android is open sourced is the bare minimum of what they have to do in order to keep using the buzzword.

And what a buzzword it is! I swear every Android user who posts on a forum knows everything there is to know about open source, the OHA, and the apache license :rolleyes:

It's comical really.
 
Well most of the major Apps everyone wants are in the WP7 marketplace. It might not have all the little ones but does not change the fact most of the popular ones everyone is across all the platforms. In terms of noise WP7 marketplace has a lot less noise than Apple's App Store and Android Marketplace.

Then the Fail must be coming from somewhere else on this Zune: Reloaded platform.

What are you talking about. I was not talking about consumers. Only you can twist that fact.

Exactly. You weren't talking about the element that actually matters. Like with a lot of what you post.
MS is going to be in the market for the long haul and chances are it will gain marketshare.

When will the "chances are" stuff happen? Always waiting with MS . . . soon . . . they promise. No, really, they do. LOL
People called them stupid for making a video game counsel and breaking into that market and yet they did and now it is starting to do fairly well.

These aren't videogames. And notice that the only consumer product of theirs that's doing "fairly well" (aside form what is universally licensed, which doesn't count) is the one *without* any Windows branding on it, and has little to nothing to do with Windows.

Well, actually thats's not true. The Zune, Kin . . . and whatever else. In fact, with MS, nothing is a guarantee. It's just more and more attempts to throw money a something that someone else has already done better.

Windows is a broken brand, anyway.

How long will you keep using Xbox as an example? We keep pointing back to the Xbox each time MS screws themselves. I suspect we'll still be doing it a year from now.
To think that WP7 is a short term investment is stupid at best. It is going to be a long term project.

Prolonging the pain. MS is great at that. It certainly isn't beyond them to f up a "long-term" premiere project. MS hangs on to waste like grim death. Unfortunately (or not, depending on your perspective), in this new market reality you have to be awesome from Day 1.
But since you are going by sell numbers then Windows 7 is a hell of a lot better than OSX because it sold more copies.

Except for one detail you missed: universal licensing. Not impressive. PC sales are stagnant. Apple's closed system, however, sells like hotcakes. And the entry fee is $1000.
Hell Vista and XP both would be better by that argument. And we know at least for Vista and XP that is far from the truth.

I'm not sure whether you think they're both better or whether you just negated your own argument.

We all know why Windows sells on PeeCee boxes.
 
Agree with an earlier post about android comparision to iPhone. Let's compare with android versus ios platforms (iPod touch, apple tv, ipad 1, ipad 2, etc). Last I check, Apple had over 200 million and android has 120 mill.
 
Except for one detail you missed: universal licensing. Not impressive. PC sales are stagnant. Apple's closed system, however, sells like hotcakes. And the entry fee is $1000.


I'm not sure whether you think they're both better or whether you just negated your own argument.

We all know why Windows sells on PeeCee boxes.

Why is it not surpising you are twisting the facts and putting limiters on something that hammers your argument. You keep going sale sale sale numbers but when someone points out something that is not true based on sale numbers (XP is better than OSX) you have to jump around and say no.

Sorry does not work here. You can not argue sale numbers as the only metric which you seem to do and then try to say nope can not work when something points out how wrong that metric is.
 
But but people don't like having too many choices. They get too confused. It is better for one man to decide what is best for them. If the screen is 3.5, they will say it's perfect. If he changes it to 4.5, they will say it's perfect. If he changes nothing and renames it iPhone 5, they will say it's the best thing ever.

Looks to me like millions of people are deciding that the iPhones are best for them.
 
Go look at the ones I respond to and how I respond. I am not the one who started the comparing when someone says oh this provides iOS is better than Android because no single Android phone outsells the iPhone.

You have to understand why that is the case.

The fact that iPhone 4 and 3GS are the top-selling devices doesn't necessarily make them better than Android phones, but it certainly pokes holes in naysayers' predictions of Apple's failure.
 
Crazy that the EVO is third overall. I knew it was a popular phone and all but wow, that's good to see. It's a great phone (I loved mine when I had it).
 
Looks to me like millions of people are deciding that the iPhones are best for them.

They don't know if it is or not. They just buy them because of the hype. It's not like most Apple consumers are tech savvy and research their purchases. Perhaps some here do, I don't mean that no one does, but the majority of the less savvy out there think every smartphone is an iPhone. I wonder why that is?
 
The odd thing is that Apple owners top every single customer satisfaction survey.

Remember that Mac market share is growing and something like half of the sales at bricks-and-mortar Apple Stores are to first-time Mac buyers. It's not just the Mac fanatics who are happy.

For smartphones, again there is a customer satisfaction difference: the iPhone is ranked number one. Also, there are far more non-iPhone owners who plan to switch to the iPhone than vice versa.
 
Android. "Free and Open." By Google.

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The odd thing is that Apple owners top every single customer satisfaction survey.

Remember that Mac market share is growing and something like half of the sales at bricks-and-mortar Apple Stores are to first-time Mac buyers. It's not just the Mac fanatics who are happy.

For smartphones, again there is a customer satisfaction difference: the iPhone is ranked number one. Also, there are far more non-iPhone owners who plan to switch to the iPhone than vice versa.

Not odd at all.
 
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