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Our sun does emit ultraviolet light, but at night it doesn't just hang around. I'd LOVE to see where you're getting this information.

Infrared is emitted from bodies other than the Sun. Other stars emit it. The moon emits it. The Earth itself emits it. The bottom line is that there is always infra red radiation present anywhere on Earth... even in a dark room.

Regardless, the point is moot. Just like your iPhone doesn't stop working at night mistakenly thinking you have covered the proximity sensor by holding the phone to your ear, enough light is always available to register whether a user has their fingers over the sensors.
 
Infrared is emitted from bodies other than the Sun. Other stars emit it. The moon emits it.

The moon does not emit infrared light. It reflects sun light.

The Earth itself emits it.

Earth does not emit infrared light.

The bottom line is that there is always infra red radiation present anywhere on Earth... even in a dark room.

The red lamps in darkrooms are red. Not infrared.

Regardless, the point is moot. Just like your iPhone doesn't stop working at night mistakenly thinking you have covered the proximity sensor by holding the phone to your ear, enough light is always available to register whether a user has their fingers over the sensors.

The proximity sensor on the iPhone has two parts. An infrared LED and an infrared sensor. It knows your face is next to the phone when the infrared light bounces off of your face and back into the sensor.

Get any digital camera and look next to the earpiece on an iPhone. Open the Phone application and go to voicemail. You will be able to see the infrared LED flashing. This is because CCD and CMOS sensors in digital cameras can detect infrared light whereas our feeble human eyes can not.

No, explain how those slots are going to detect infrared blockage if even the proximity sensor requires extra light to be able to detect your face next to the phone.
 
Smh

they're just "seams" nothing more...the touch sensitive patent might refer to the glass or ceramic back portion of the phone...the beauty of iPhone is that everyone can pick it up and use it...it's intuitive...the complicated procedure you list to do basic things would make me not want it...i can't imagine what it would be like to have to hold my iPhone like I'm trying to throw a knuckleball or manipulate my fingers like I'm playing a flute to send a damn text message...and wouldn't all those fancy light sensing dohickeys make the phone more expensive?
 
they're just "seams" nothing more...the touch sensitive patent might refer to the glass or ceramic back portion of the phone...the beauty of iPhone is that everyone can pick it up and use it...it's intuitive...the complicated procedure you list to do basic things would make me not want it...i can't imagine what it would be like to have to hold my iPhone like I'm trying to throw a knuckleball or manipulate my fingers like I'm playing a flute to send a damn text message...and wouldn't all those fancy light sensing dohickeys make the phone more expensive?

I agree, this has to be intuitive. I'm in the camp that thinks that double clicking the Home button to activate the multi tasking bar in OS 4.0 is not intuitive.

That said, I was explaining the technical details which may come across as complex. These would be invisible to the user. Usage would be simple:

1- You could still open the camera App by touching its icon in the home screen.
2- Using the sensors would be a shortcut. However, it would also be intuitive. So intuitive in fact, that you wouldn't have to know you're using it. Just by holding the phone like a camera, you're going to cover the sensors and activate the app in the background as per my theory. A simple push of the shutter button would instantly make the camera available.


and wouldn't all those fancy light sensing dohickeys make the phone more expensive?

Not any more than adding a second camera, a flash and other varieties of proximity, ambient light and motion sensors.
 
Everything The General previously said.

Thank you. Someone else with some intelligence. I don't know how much expertise some of you have on the subjects being discussed but judging by the wiki citations and irrational claims being made I'm going to guess not that much. The ideas proposed are interesting but the implementation and execution (as proposed in this thread at least) just aren't feasible.
 
I agree, this has to be intuitive. I'm in the camp that thinks that double clicking the Home button to activate the multi tasking bar in OS 4.0 is not intuitive.

That said, I was explaining the technical details which may come across as complex. These would be invisible to the user. Usage would be simple:

1- You could still open the camera App by touching its icon in the home screen.
2- Using the sensors would be a shortcut. However, it would also be intuitive. So intuitive in fact, that you wouldn't have to know you're using it. Just by holding the phone like a camera, you're going to cover the sensors and activate the app in the background as per my theory. A simple push of the shutter button would instantly make the camera available.




Not any more than adding a second camera, a flash and other varieties of proximity, ambient light and motion sensors.

It's just not happening. I don't know what else to say besides the fact that this is super obvious to anyone who has been following Apple and the tech industry. Again, you're reaching. They're seams.
 
lol at people arguing about light sources.

i dont know what the seams are for, nobody does until apple announces anything in June. At the moment people are just guessing, and thats it. Plus adding all that technology would make this thing ridiculously expensive surely?

one thing i do like about the new design is the fact we will now be able to fit screen protectors on both sides of the phone easily :D.
 
WHAT IF - they are for LED visual notification of some sort? Like the slit in the front of the MacBooks.

I like that. I thought the same thing when I saw them.

i.e. could blink when there is a missed call, text, vmail etc...

Kinda like what phones have been doing for years.:)
 
Can you see at night? Yes? There's light, even if minimal. The difference between minimal light and no light is detectable.

In addition, who says that light has to be visible? There is light in different spectrums, a lot of which human eyes don't detect. Infrared and ultraviolet are "seen" in total darkness. A sensor for infrared light could work in any environment.

How about cases?

And how do you set the phone to vibrate quickly? Say, as you're going into a meeting, or WWDC :p
 
How about cases?

Cases have had to adapt to iPhone sensors with each update. This one is no different. In fact, cases will already have to accommodate the new ambient noise mic at the top, the new front facing camera and the flash.

And how do you set the phone to vibrate quickly? Say, as you're going into a meeting, or WWDC :p

Put your finger on the sensor next to the headphone jack, iPhone vibrates and displays a visual cue on the screen. Do the same to un-mute.
 
I imagined this in practice with with iPhone3G and I would change one thing:

For a quick launch of the Camera App, I would use the sensors and then the Home button as the shutter.

1 - Hold your phone like a camera. Your fingers naturally cover the sensor.
A screen overlay shows a Camera icon (similar to the volume or mute overlay).
2 - Press Home with your thumb to instantly view the camera. Press again when you're ready to snap the pic.

I've lost count of how many times I've handed my phone to somebody to take a photo and they hand it back showing me the Home screen... They used the home button to snap the photo. This method would transform a very common error into a natural way to shoot photos.
 
Cases have had to adapt to iPhone sensors with each update. This one is no different. In fact, cases will already have to accommodate the new ambient noise mic at the top, the new front facing camera and the flash.



Put your finger on the sensor next to the headphone jack, iPhone vibrates and displays a visual cue on the screen. Do the same to un-mute.

What about when you put it in your dark pocket? What happens when your wallet moves around in your pocket and shields it from light? What happens when you're passing the phone to someone and accidentally cover a seam? This just isn't happening. I don't know why you're still clinging to this.
 
What about when you put it in your dark pocket? What happens when your wallet moves around in your pocket and shields it from light? What happens when you're passing the phone to someone and accidentally cover a seam? This just isn't happening. I don't know why you're still clinging to this.

Some people agree that the idea is plausible, others don't. That's fine.

When in your pocket, the phone's proximity and ambient light sensors cancel the input on these new "seam sensors".
 
Someone on another post said the seams might be shock absorbers since it looks like there's rubber between the seams. Apple had a patent awhile back that could detect if the device has been dropped. So if your device was having problem and you took it to apple they could tell if your product had been mishandled even if there was no physical damage.

"New Scientist points out an Apple patent application published today by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office that discloses techniques for digitally "detecting whether consumer abuse has occurred in an electronic device." The application cites as examples assessing exposure to liquids, extreme temperatures, or excessive shock, as well as unauthorized tampering, all conditions which could cause damage to the device that may not be covered by manufacturers' warranties.

In general, such warranty and return policies are intended only to cover failures and defects relating to the manufacture or design of the product, and typically do not cover product failure that occurs as the result of consumer abuse. In fact, many warranty policies explicitly exclude returns or repair when damage from consumer abuse, whether intentional or unintentional, is the underlying cause of the product failure. For example, consumer abuse may include exposing an electronic device to liquids, extreme temperatures, or excessive shock (e.g., the resulting impact from dropping the device). Consumer abuse may also result from tampering which may include any interaction with the device that is not related to operating the device in a normal manner (e.g., opening the casing or housing of a device and adding, removing, or altering the internal components).
Records of "abuse events" would be stored in the device's memory and be accessible through a diagnostic interface, allowing service technicians to more easily assess whether a given issue should be covered by the product warranty. The patent application also suggests that the device could turn off individual components or the entire device in response to an abuse event in order to reduce the potential for damage to the device.

In accordance with another disclosed embodiment, the abuse detection circuitry may be configured to disable operation of an electronic device upon detecting the occurrence of a consumer abuse event, for example, by disabling power to the device. Subsequent to disabling operation of the device, the abuse detection circuitry may be further configured to periodically check the sensors to determine whether the detected abuse event is still occurring and to re-enable operation of the device if it is determined that the abuse event is no longer occurring. By disabling operation of the device upon detection of a consumer abuse event, the risks of damage to the device from the abuse event may be reduced.
Many of Apple's current portable devices contain sensors that irreversibly change color upon contact with liquid, allowing service technicians to determine whether an issue may have been caused by consumer behavior that could result in the issue not being covered by warranty. The use of enhanced "abuse" tracking would enable Apple to monitor a wider range of potentially damaging events and more accurately assess the extent and timing of those events. "

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8232485/

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I couldn't imagine an LED being in the seams, it looks like theres rubber in the seam, just like another post stated.
 
What about when you put it in your dark pocket? What happens when your wallet moves around in your pocket and shields it from light? What happens when you're passing the phone to someone and accidentally cover a seam? This just isn't happening. I don't know why you're still clinging to this.

The iPhone takes a flash picture, locks the screen rotation and mutes the volume, of course. To avoid this you must buy the iPocket™ :)

Actually they may be some sort of sensors, I don't know about light sensors tough, they may be capacitive sensors. And the "rocker" switch probably has three functions, pressing the two buttons together triggers the launch mechanism for the passenger seat in the Aston Martin.
 
Actually they may be some sort of sensors, I don't know about light sensors tough, they may be capacitive sensors.

I agree that another form of input could be used (and preferred). Capacitive makes more cost effective sense.

It's possible that the tabs in this prototype are placeholders since these aren't being tested off campus and don't need to be in these particular prototypes. Perhaps metal capacitive tabs will be in their place in the shipping version.
 
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