Yes UMTS is an upgraded version of CDMA (Wideband variant) and based on similar technology, but the speed and clarity it provides is currently the best available. UMTS 3G is actually 3G 3.5, and LTE will be coming to Australia soon as tests are already underway. All the mobile network towers here are basically futureproofed for upgrading - as we thought ahead.
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Yes UMTS is an upgraded version of CDMA (Wideband variant) and based on similar technology, but the speed and clarity it provides is currently the best available. UMTS 3G is actually 3G 3.5, and LTE will be coming to Australia soon as tests are already underway. All the mobile network towers here are basically futureproofed for upgrading - as we thought ahead.
All im saying is that Apple / Verizon should not have to have a iPhone redesigned for CDMA technology - in this instance Australia is technologically more advanced and planned well ahead and is now the world leader in mobile phone network technology.
umm the same could of been said about CDMA Verizon used.
Remember all the GSM carriers had to go threw and install the W-CDMA stuff on their towers. Along with have to install a ton of new towers because of the differences between TDMA and CDMA.
Verizon only had to do a software upgrade to there stuff.
Basic Verizon CDMA was set up better for the 3G and during the entire time GSM was running GPRS-3G. CDMA carriers only had to do software upgrades.
around 20 years vs less than 10 years for each one.. Tell me who comes out on top?
Why not design a phone to get access to over 300,000,000 subscribers?
If Australia is so advanced, where's the LTE?
Compare the land coverage of Telstra vs the land coverage of Verizon and try to make your point again.
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Worldwide, there are still half-a-BILLION CDMA customers. Little bit of a market for Apple to break into, no?
Interesting that you easily criticize our technology, yet from your signature, you are totally dependent on it.
i always find that funny too. people bash the us but dont really have an answer for why they're using our products. wouldnt bother me if they just stuck on boards in their own dam country. go tell yourselves how great you are and what? you dont actually produce anything, oh yeah.
Yeah Australia is a huge landmass...with less than 1/10 the population of the US. Your telcos don't have to cover vast swaths of uninhabitable land and only focus on where your tiny population (in relation to the physical size of the country) lives. The same was done easily in Canada, another massive country in size with 35 million people. Switching from CDMA to GSM was not difficult or extremely expensive when both countries decided to do it. It will not be hugely difficult to in turn go to LTE. Verizon has to cover a huge land mass, with a huge population as well. Switching from CDMA to GSM earlier in the decade would have been extremely expensive, and then switching to LTE a few years later again. They made the good business decision to keep existing CDMA infrastructure, halt spending money to further evolve the technology and are instead focusing on phasing out CDMA completely withing 3 years time.
It has nothing to do with technical advancement or retardation and everything to do with the nature of telecom history in the country. Our CDMA carriers simply made a business decision to stay CDMA, while not investing billions further developing it (towards rev. b then c), or billions switching to GSM only to once again switch to LTE fully. And in the meantime....no one really cares. It works fine and will continue to work fine until it's killed off in a few years. The process has already begun. Phone manufacturers have been making both GSM and CDMA versions of the same phone for years and years and years. Apple making a CDMA iPhone is not some huge burden, every other phone maker has done so, and they do so because they make money selling those versions to CDMA customers.
The great advantage of a single standard works fantastic in Europe where travel between small countries is fairly common, or choice of carriers all using the same tech. In the US you have 2 GSM providers, that's it. The benefit of portability is very very small: 2 carriers; and the benefit of international use is absolutely true, but unless you are an international jet setter in which case you would make up about .05% of the population, it's not important. If our GSM carriers had great and consistent coverage, their superior speeds would be a great advantage, unfortunately they don't have it. And again, this will all be moot in a few years. They are all, along with the whole world moving to LTE, and we will finally have the advantage of choice and portability among carriers using the same phones we already have.
It has nothing to do with technical advancement or retardation and everything to do with the nature of telecom history in the country. Our CDMA carriers simply made a business decision to stay CDMA, while not investing billions further developing it (towards rev. b then c), or billions switching to GSM only to once again switch to LTE fully. And in the meantime....no one really cares. It works fine and will continue to work fine until it's killed off in a few years. The process has already begun. Phone manufacturers have been making both GSM and CDMA versions of the same phone for years and years and years. Apple making a CDMA iPhone is not some huge burden, every other phone maker has done so, and they do so because they make money selling those versions to CDMA customers.
The great advantage of a single standard works fantastic in Europe where travel between small countries is fairly common, or choice of carriers all using the same tech. In the US you have 2 GSM providers, that's it. The benefit of portability is very very small: 2 carriers; and the benefit of international use is absolutely true, but unless you are an international jet setter in which case you would make up about .05% of the population, it's not important. If our GSM carriers had great and consistent coverage, their superior speeds would be a great advantage, unfortunately they don't have it. And again, this will all be moot in a few years. They are all, along with the whole world moving to LTE, and we will finally have the advantage of choice and portability among carriers using the same phones we already have.
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The OP is so ridiculously full of himself.
I realize that there's not much to be proud of in Australia but wireless technology certainly is not one of your strong points.
exactly. not to hijack this fascinating thread, but it did get me thinking, what was the last Australian produced product that I purchased... or was even on my radar to purchase.
still thinking.
whatever. its all good.
Vz cdma in rural AZ is about as good as it is going to get for cell service, and that ultimately is what i have the device for. a phone. i've done my AT&T time.
Wireless technology not one of our strong points? The Australian CSIRO invented WiFi, and still holds the patent.
Edit. Having re read the post it seems you are referring to the OP, not the country as a whole.
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When does the USA ever proclaim it's technologically advanced? We can't even fix our roads and bridges in a lot of cases. But now that you forced me to think of it, Google, Apple, and Microsoft are all US companies. So, yeah, I guess when it comes to software, we kind of rule the world!
I have no problem with Aussies. I quite like them as a matter of fact.
I had a delicious Alice Springs Chicken and Ribs at the Outback tonight. Let's not forget their introduction of the Bloomin' Onion!
Wow, if you're from Australia, you clearly don't pay much attention or have a clear sense of time. "NextG" is UMTS850, like AT&T uses. And guess what? Over ten years ago CDMA was shut down in Australia, you say?
Let's try your math. Today is January 11, 2011. Telstra shut down their CDMA network in Australia April 28th, 2008.
I'm no math genius, but I'm pretty sure that's 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks, and 3 days. I maybe off by a couple days there. But it's nowhere near "over ten years!"
BTW, the UMTS850 ("NextG") network didn't even LAUNCH over 10 years ago - it launched October 2006. That is, about 4 and a half years ago.
Let's try your math. Today is January 11, 2011. Telstra shut down their CDMA network in Australia April 28th, 2008.
I'm no math genius, but I'm pretty sure that's 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks, and 3 days. I maybe off by a couple days there. But it's nowhere near "over ten years!"
BTW, the UMTS850 ("NextG") network didn't even LAUNCH over 10 years ago - it launched October 2006. That is, about 4 and a half years ago.
What the hell is a bloomin onion?
For trivia's sake here's a list of Australian inventions-
refridgerator
electric drill
notepad
feature film
clapperboard
military tank
electronic pacemaker
surf ski
black box flight recorder
wine cask
bionic ear
dual flush toilet
ultrasound
and more.
Who'da thunk it?
For trivia's sake here's a list of Australian inventions-
refridgerator
electric drill
notepad
feature film
clapperboard
military tank
electronic pacemaker
surf ski
black box flight recorder
wine cask
bionic ear
dual flush toilet
ultrasound
and more.
Who'da thunk it?
So EVDO Rev a (CDMA) which is 2 years older than HSPA is ancient?
Compare apples to apples.
BTW, NextG is nothing more than HSPA and your CDMA network was decommissioned just over 2 years ago (not 10).